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I mean; you started early. No fantasies, you made it clear already you’re ready to call anyone and their mother le commie dictator lover for criticizing the U.S. but not adding “of course we need to jerk off over them doing it even if it’s bad” to every statement as a disclaimer
You’re a critic of the U.S., but it has no teeth if every criticism comes along with “anyone who doesn’t share my blind optimism is a commie dictator lover”
You’re a critic of the U.S., but it has no teeth if every criticism comes along with “anyone who doesn’t share my blind optimism is a commie dictator lover”
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Talking with more respect doesn't necessarily mean that I should not create contradiction. It will just be a finer line to maintain. I can't say amen to everything. Especially on such an important subject.
A scholared discussion about capitalism should be approached with care. Our biases create limits to what we can know because of our experience.
Talking with more respect doesn't necessarily mean that I should not create contradiction. It will just be a finer line to maintain. I can't say amen to everything. Especially on such an important subject.
A scholared discussion about capitalism should be approached with care. Our biases create limits to what we can know because of our experience.
You’re seething hard and arguing against ghosts. Is this the mental breakdown the commies go through every time they get embarrassed 
Can we talk about embarrassment? I’ve never left the convo to post shitty memes about how you’re totally a nazi teen or something if you ever say Maduro bad. So idk who is embarrassed, the guy (you) insisting I’m a socialist dictator loving commie bastard and running to post memes to no one about the mean commie teens, or me who has just continued replying to you and only called you a pussy for running
That being said I’m definitely putting you on ignore now lol
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His take is like 80% correct though.
@Natalija just mistake Venezuela's governament with Venezueala's people. The governament is benefit by taxes not the people.
As expected everything you are saying have no correlation at all to what I replied.
You said that poor people needs to do like French people did, probably back at middle age I suppose where numbers matter much more than today and people have easily access to weapons/tools that could be used as weapons. In today's world a dictatorship like Maduro's the first thing they do is to get rid of all weapons from population's hand exactly to avoid a revolution like that, because that's exactly what they do, take Cuba for example.
Second you said USA would just take advantage of the poor from Venezuela. Exactly how? How getting rid of the dictator that couldn't respect the people's choice in last election would make USA take advantage of them?
And now you are talking about getting rid of Maduro isn't isntantly make Venezuela a democracy. Yea obviously, that's why Trump said he would handle the transition. Is all about put in power the person who was elected in last election.
You have no idea how majority of the world would love that. There is a reason so many people wanna go to USA, legal or not.
@Natalija just mistake Venezuela's governament with Venezueala's people. The governament is benefit by taxes not the people.
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As expected everything you are saying have no correlation at all to what I replied.
You said that poor people needs to do like French people did, probably back at middle age I suppose where numbers matter much more than today and people have easily access to weapons/tools that could be used as weapons. In today's world a dictatorship like Maduro's the first thing they do is to get rid of all weapons from population's hand exactly to avoid a revolution like that, because that's exactly what they do, take Cuba for example.
Second you said USA would just take advantage of the poor from Venezuela. Exactly how? How getting rid of the dictator that couldn't respect the people's choice in last election would make USA take advantage of them?
And now you are talking about getting rid of Maduro isn't isntantly make Venezuela a democracy. Yea obviously, that's why Trump said he would handle the transition. Is all about put in power the person who was elected in last election.
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You have no idea how majority of the world would love that. There is a reason so many people wanna go to USA, legal or not.
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I think people are confusing a lot of terms when it comes to this topic, every country has sovereignty over their resources and sets their own rules about extraction, but in case of "ownership", it's most common for the resource to be state owned and extracted by private companies.
It's not de facto bad if a state owned company does it, but the issue is that the way of governance is most important, and if you have a second or third world country where it's just a political tool like in the case of Venezuela with zero investment ... It'll fail miserably.
Oh never mind him, he's just saying things to stir shit with zero arguments.
Yes, essentially the taxes and royalties go to the government, it's on them to make a new one which will make sure that the country and its citizens will benefit from this industry.
But also the Venezuelan people directly, who will have direct, indirect, and induced employment. So connected to the industry, supply chain, supporting economy, etc. etc.
It's not de facto bad if a state owned company does it, but the issue is that the way of governance is most important, and if you have a second or third world country where it's just a political tool like in the case of Venezuela with zero investment ... It'll fail miserably.
Oh never mind him, he's just saying things to stir shit with zero arguments.
Yes, essentially the taxes and royalties go to the government, it's on them to make a new one which will make sure that the country and its citizens will benefit from this industry.
But also the Venezuelan people directly, who will have direct, indirect, and induced employment. So connected to the industry, supply chain, supporting economy, etc. etc.
Maduro already in New-York for his upcoming trial.
There is no way that the US decides to just lose "the case" and let Maduro go back to Venezuela.
He will spend the rest of his life behind bars or executed or way worse.
I don't care much about him personally but this is very bad for diplomacy with Latin American lefties (and more).
Paratroopers kidnapping and killing behind « enemy lines » will be presented as a peaceful war.
Kidnap the WhiteHouse
"I was born in Pinochet's Chile. I can tell that capitalism is bad and we need literally the whole opposite" 
There is no way that the US decides to just lose "the case" and let Maduro go back to Venezuela.
He will spend the rest of his life behind bars or executed or way worse.
I don't care much about him personally but this is very bad for diplomacy with Latin American lefties (and more).
Paratroopers kidnapping and killing behind « enemy lines » will be presented as a peaceful war.
Kidnap the WhiteHouse
I was born in a socialist state, so indeed 
yes
After a few more revolutions, they gained real freedom. Freedom they use to purposely eat snails and frogs.
The american oil companies will set up shop in Venezuela. Use the locals as cheap labor with below minimum wages. Drain the natural resources. Then get the fuck out of there.
To let them do that, the companies will bribe the new regime and politicians. The wealthy will also get a cut.
Rich get richer. Poor stay poor or get even more poor.
That's the best case scenario. Worst case is armed uprisings against the murican invaders that end in bloodshed on both sides.
We'll see what happens.
Maduro is not a good person
But it's insanely hilarious that he's being prosecuted by a country who's sitting president was literally convicted of 34 counts of felony, and is a confirmed creep lmao
He pardoned Honduras president who did the same shit as Maduro supposedly did too lol.
After a few more revolutions, they gained real freedom. Freedom they use to purposely eat snails and frogs.
The american oil companies will set up shop in Venezuela. Use the locals as cheap labor with below minimum wages. Drain the natural resources. Then get the fuck out of there.
To let them do that, the companies will bribe the new regime and politicians. The wealthy will also get a cut.
Rich get richer. Poor stay poor or get even more poor.
That's the best case scenario. Worst case is armed uprisings against the murican invaders that end in bloodshed on both sides.
We'll see what happens.
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Maduro is not a good person
But it's insanely hilarious that he's being prosecuted by a country who's sitting president was literally convicted of 34 counts of felony, and is a confirmed creep lmao
He pardoned Honduras president who did the same shit as Maduro supposedly did too lol.
Capitalism is the most successful economic system out of everything which was tried in history, but if you think of something better, make a suggestion. As long as it isn't socialism.
My point is that the argument of "I was born in socialist state so I KNOW it doesn't work" is a fallacy.
Before the election in the 50s in Turkey, "democracy doesn't work with Islamic populations" was a great argument too then.
