Questions & Mysteries Will The Holy Knights live up to the hype or be disappointing in Elbaf?
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if Luffy was destined to fight Shamrock Oda would’ve established foreshadowing for it already, which he hasn’t.
My guess is that he will end up being Sabo‘s appoint. Thematically it makes sense due to the rivalry between the HK and the RA, as well as the fact that both of them are children of pos nobility and are polar opposites with how they have dealt with that.
My guess is that he will end up being Sabo‘s appoint. Thematically it makes sense due to the rivalry between the HK and the RA, as well as the fact that both of them are children of pos nobility and are polar opposites with how they have dealt with that.
I could see that being a case, if Oda had already started foreshadowing for it. We all know Oda is not perfect, but he does love foreshadowing and he’s batter than most at it. Considering the fact that he knows what the ending is, I think that would’ve already been established. Which it hasn’t been.
That being said, this is all speculation on my part and isn’t really based on any fact.
That being said, this is all speculation on my part and isn’t really based on any fact.
Shamrock is the leader of the Holy Knights. He is the ranked Captain. His father was just promoted to Gorosei from Commander and we have no idea if he retains that title.
And no, Doflamingo was a subordinate of Kaido, to the same effect of HKs being subordinates of Imu.
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No, thats not even the conversation lol. I wanted him to come back but who knows now, and all it does is mean his antagonism pools into further shit that isnt resolved like everything else.
What I was talking about was the reason he even exists. For years Luffy has made claims of wanting to fight Shanks, but we know Shanks is a good person entirely and very likely will be an ally in the end. Meaning for no other reason to utilize his design in an antagonist sense, Shamrock entirely represents a real motive for Luffy to fight "Shanks" in this way. I do not, for a second, think Oda is legitimately hyping Loki vs Shamrock outside of animosity generated like many other secondary characters have for villains. I.e. Wyper to Enel, Paulie to Lucci, Brook to Ryuuma, Jinbe to Hody, Law and Kyros to Doflamingo, Law/Killer/Zoro/Scabbards/Yamato to Kaido. See my point? They all end a different way.
Anyway, as @Sir Yasheen said dont discount it given the fact that Sommers is a dumbass and now the children cant even be used as levarage anymore. We dont know if Imu thinks 3 Knights will be enough now to subjugate Elbaf.
And no, Doflamingo was a subordinate of Kaido, to the same effect of HKs being subordinates of Imu.
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No, thats not even the conversation lol. I wanted him to come back but who knows now, and all it does is mean his antagonism pools into further shit that isnt resolved like everything else.
What I was talking about was the reason he even exists. For years Luffy has made claims of wanting to fight Shanks, but we know Shanks is a good person entirely and very likely will be an ally in the end. Meaning for no other reason to utilize his design in an antagonist sense, Shamrock entirely represents a real motive for Luffy to fight "Shanks" in this way. I do not, for a second, think Oda is legitimately hyping Loki vs Shamrock outside of animosity generated like many other secondary characters have for villains. I.e. Wyper to Enel, Paulie to Lucci, Brook to Ryuuma, Jinbe to Hody, Law and Kyros to Doflamingo, Law/Killer/Zoro/Scabbards/Yamato to Kaido. See my point? They all end a different way.
Anyway, as @Sir Yasheen said dont discount it given the fact that Sommers is a dumbass and now the children cant even be used as levarage anymore. We dont know if Imu thinks 3 Knights will be enough now to subjugate Elbaf.
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I personally don´t think there´s any reason for Garling to give up his position as supreme commander of the Gods Knights because of his promotion, its not like he was probably out in the field doing missions anymore anyway, just giving orders, so we can agree to disagree on that, but he´s still a subordinate of Imu
I´m not sure how people came to this conclusion lol. Doffy runs his own crew and island, he was simply doing business with Kaido, not even an official ally with the man. Ceasar, Doffy, Kaido were all running their own islands, which is why Luffy fought all of them, they were the leaders of that arc. The Gods Knights in comparison, have to get slave tattoos where Imu can control their thoughts and behaviors, and can seemingly be killed by Imu on command.
I´d say the difference here does exist, though. Shamrock was literally introduced trying to recruit and kill Loki, and the arc went on to go even deeper with their connections than that, through their fathers, history with CD´s and Giants. For comparison, it would be pretty hard to imagine Oda having a Luffy opponent like say Kaido, be introduced beating up Yamato or though.
Yasheen is kind of just reaching. It´s pretty obvious that Imu is the generic arrogant anime villain who isn´t going to try getting backup to help him out, since he thinks he´s a god or whatever, and Oda isn´t going to undermine his presence by bringing in new antagonists, as opposed to the three who have been on the arc since last year, fans just don´t like the HK on Elbaf, so they want Shamrock to return because they see him as more respectable, there isn´t really a serious argument in favor of it.
I´m not sure how people came to this conclusion lol. Doffy runs his own crew and island, he was simply doing business with Kaido, not even an official ally with the man. Ceasar, Doffy, Kaido were all running their own islands, which is why Luffy fought all of them, they were the leaders of that arc. The Gods Knights in comparison, have to get slave tattoos where Imu can control their thoughts and behaviors, and can seemingly be killed by Imu on command.
I´d say the difference here does exist, though. Shamrock was literally introduced trying to recruit and kill Loki, and the arc went on to go even deeper with their connections than that, through their fathers, history with CD´s and Giants. For comparison, it would be pretty hard to imagine Oda having a Luffy opponent like say Kaido, be introduced beating up Yamato or though.
Yasheen is kind of just reaching. It´s pretty obvious that Imu is the generic arrogant anime villain who isn´t going to try getting backup to help him out, since he thinks he´s a god or whatever, and Oda isn´t going to undermine his presence by bringing in new antagonists, as opposed to the three who have been on the arc since last year, fans just don´t like the HK on Elbaf, so they want Shamrock to return because they see him as more respectable, there isn´t really a serious argument in favor of it.
Sounds like another Pica or Pizzaro. If used right he would be a problem but he's gonna leave himself open and the fight will just be about getting to his body probably, with a bit of overcoming your nightmares sprinkled in there.
Well atleast in his case he has immortality but even here just watch Oda will have him taken out with the first attack that lands pretty much. The immortality/regen is very quickly about to become a non factor.
On paper someone like him should be broken. But it won't amount to much in One Piece.
Well atleast in his case he has immortality but even here just watch Oda will have him taken out with the first attack that lands pretty much. The immortality/regen is very quickly about to become a non factor.
On paper someone like him should be broken. But it won't amount to much in One Piece.
