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Don't really agree with this.
Sanji's fighting style is the worst type of matcup for the holy knights coz he fights with combinations so Sommers' is finished the moment Sanji's able to get past his immortailty. I don't really see the point in Sanji being pit against Sommers if he cannot hurt him and even more so I'm not sure what exactly it is about Sommers that will suddenly make Sanji awaken CoC in order to be able to hurt him having not done so so far. You can use that pattern of writing with King v Zoro for example, or Kaido v Luffy or hell even a Gorosei v Sanji but not bloody Sommers v Sanji imo.
Sanji's fighting style is the worst type of matcup for the holy knights coz he fights with combinations so Sommers' is finished the moment Sanji's able to get past his immortailty. I don't really see the point in Sanji being pit against Sommers if he cannot hurt him and even more so I'm not sure what exactly it is about Sommers that will suddenly make Sanji awaken CoC in order to be able to hurt him having not done so so far. You can use that pattern of writing with King v Zoro for example, or Kaido v Luffy or hell even a Gorosei v Sanji but not bloody Sommers v Sanji imo.
-Sanji being pit against Sommers despite not being able to hurt him/hurt him significantly
Well, this was the case with Queen, wasn't it? He could hurt him sometimes, but it wasn't nearly enough to do the job. He needed IJ to finally win the battle.
-What is it about Sommers that'll suddenly make Sanji awaken Conq Haki
To be honest, Oda just gives characters Conq Haki whenever he wants. He had Ace, Doffy and Yamato unlock it as children while Zoro and Luffy only unlocked it a little later into their lives. So I don't think it's weird if Sanji just suddenly unlocks it against Sommers when he hadn't done it before.
Plus, the way Sommer's ability works, and the fact he's not at all afraid to abuse women if he wants to, makes me think he'll end up hurting Robin, Nami, Gerd, or someone else after "beating"/trapping Sanji and this enrages Sanji enough to snap on him and unlock Conq Haki to beat him into the ground.
A lot of Sanji's fights revolve around someone abusing his moral code to always love and protect women, this is why he locked in against:
Kuroobi
Mr. 2
Absalom
Queen
Etc.
Given that, do you really think Sanji won't have a great reason to unlock Conq/PoL against Sommers? I mean look at how hard he beat Absalom for groping Nami and threatening to blow her up.
Well, this was the case with Queen, wasn't it? He could hurt him sometimes, but it wasn't nearly enough to do the job. He needed IJ to finally win the battle.
-What is it about Sommers that'll suddenly make Sanji awaken Conq Haki
To be honest, Oda just gives characters Conq Haki whenever he wants. He had Ace, Doffy and Yamato unlock it as children while Zoro and Luffy only unlocked it a little later into their lives. So I don't think it's weird if Sanji just suddenly unlocks it against Sommers when he hadn't done it before.
Plus, the way Sommer's ability works, and the fact he's not at all afraid to abuse women if he wants to, makes me think he'll end up hurting Robin, Nami, Gerd, or someone else after "beating"/trapping Sanji and this enrages Sanji enough to snap on him and unlock Conq Haki to beat him into the ground.
A lot of Sanji's fights revolve around someone abusing his moral code to always love and protect women, this is why he locked in against:
Kuroobi
Mr. 2
Absalom
Queen
Etc.
Given that, do you really think Sanji won't have a great reason to unlock Conq/PoL against Sommers? I mean look at how hard he beat Absalom for groping Nami and threatening to blow her up.
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If Sanji and Zoro fight Sommer and Qillingham, it's probably gonna be like vs Kaku and Jyabura, where they could fight them, but not really damaging them enough because of Tekkai. Here we have more or less the same situation, in this case their immortality is the ''new'' Tekkai. I don't think they are gonna struggle much against them in combat itself, but actualy damaging them. But once they can get through it - with their new PU, ''controlled'' ACoC - it's gonna be over quick.
But the bigger problem here is HOW Sanji is gonna unlock it. I once wrote a post here, how difficult it's gonna be to give Sanji CoC and make it good writing-wise.
Luffy unlocked it because of an emotional moment.
Sanji had multiple moments where this could have been used, the best opportunity imo would be at the tea party when his family was about to be executed - instead of the retarded-perfectly-stretched-and-timed Tomato Box... Considering that Sanji has strong emotions to the point where he can turn it into power...yet Oda didn't make him unlock it.
Yes, Sanji hated his family, but he stil couldn't let them die, especialy since he cared about Reiju and that was apparently not enough of a tricker to unlock CoC. Which i find really weird, considering Luffy unlocked it to save some random girls he just met a few hours ago...and not for Vivi when she was almost ate by a Bananadile, but i guess it was too early or Oda didn't think it through at that time, but whatever.
So an emotional ''unlock'' would seem almost weird if it would happen, because Sanji had a really good moment to unlock it - it was a do or die situation, he has a really close bond with Reiju and it would have showed Judge that Sanji is the one worthy of being a King and not him, so more than enough reason to unlock it. But it didn't happen. So what kind of a situation does Sanji need to be, that would out weigh all of that for him to unlock it? Just to save Nami? Yes, Sanji cares about her, but i don't see him carrying about Nami soooooo much more than about his own sister.
So i don't think Oda is gonna go the ''Luffy route'' for Sanji, but probably the ''Zoro route'' - which is unlocking it through an outside influence.
Zoro got it through Enma basicaly pulling it out of him.
For Sanji, it could maybe be DR, in which it would also unlock his CoC after transforming.
Or the Germa thing. Sanji's loses his emotions and has to ''conquer'' his emotions to get them back or something like that.
But i am not sure how that's gonna play out, since it looks alot like Sanji is already heading to Sommer. Will see.
But the bigger problem here is HOW Sanji is gonna unlock it. I once wrote a post here, how difficult it's gonna be to give Sanji CoC and make it good writing-wise.
Luffy unlocked it because of an emotional moment.
Sanji had multiple moments where this could have been used, the best opportunity imo would be at the tea party when his family was about to be executed - instead of the retarded-perfectly-stretched-and-timed Tomato Box... Considering that Sanji has strong emotions to the point where he can turn it into power...yet Oda didn't make him unlock it.
Yes, Sanji hated his family, but he stil couldn't let them die, especialy since he cared about Reiju and that was apparently not enough of a tricker to unlock CoC. Which i find really weird, considering Luffy unlocked it to save some random girls he just met a few hours ago...and not for Vivi when she was almost ate by a Bananadile, but i guess it was too early or Oda didn't think it through at that time, but whatever.
So an emotional ''unlock'' would seem almost weird if it would happen, because Sanji had a really good moment to unlock it - it was a do or die situation, he has a really close bond with Reiju and it would have showed Judge that Sanji is the one worthy of being a King and not him, so more than enough reason to unlock it. But it didn't happen. So what kind of a situation does Sanji need to be, that would out weigh all of that for him to unlock it? Just to save Nami? Yes, Sanji cares about her, but i don't see him carrying about Nami soooooo much more than about his own sister.
So i don't think Oda is gonna go the ''Luffy route'' for Sanji, but probably the ''Zoro route'' - which is unlocking it through an outside influence.
Zoro got it through Enma basicaly pulling it out of him.
For Sanji, it could maybe be DR, in which it would also unlock his CoC after transforming.
Or the Germa thing. Sanji's loses his emotions and has to ''conquer'' his emotions to get them back or something like that.
But i am not sure how that's gonna play out, since it looks alot like Sanji is already heading to Sommer. Will see.
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With regard to Oda writing in Sanji’s CoC or whatever means he’s going to use to hurt the immortals to into Elbaf organically, the setup is already there with PoL.
Again Oda went out of his way to establish that ability last arc when he really didn’t have to so it will most likely come into play this arc.
Like we saw with Sanji destroying Kizaru’s lazer I reckon Oda will continue that trend of love ‘overcomes all’ and have him simply be able to hurt the immortals with PoL and then some onlooker will give us a bit of exposition into what exactly the ability is.
Even amongst the ancient races that the WG have culled. From Rocks flashback, the celestials seemed to have quite a bit of animosity towards the Buccaneers so they prolly had a special trait about them that was really troublesome even to Imu & the Celestials. So what are the chances that said trait is PoL?
Now with regards to CoC in itself, I still think Sanji will awaken it in conjunction with his next PU. So in that sense it’d be more akin to how Zoro awakened it in battle with King of Hell rather than the way Luffy did.
Again Oda went out of his way to establish that ability last arc when he really didn’t have to so it will most likely come into play this arc.
Like we saw with Sanji destroying Kizaru’s lazer I reckon Oda will continue that trend of love ‘overcomes all’ and have him simply be able to hurt the immortals with PoL and then some onlooker will give us a bit of exposition into what exactly the ability is.
Even amongst the ancient races that the WG have culled. From Rocks flashback, the celestials seemed to have quite a bit of animosity towards the Buccaneers so they prolly had a special trait about them that was really troublesome even to Imu & the Celestials. So what are the chances that said trait is PoL?
Now with regards to CoC in itself, I still think Sanji will awaken it in conjunction with his next PU. So in that sense it’d be more akin to how Zoro awakened it in battle with King of Hell rather than the way Luffy did.
Expectation isn't want.
I expect a fight closer to Jabra or Queen than Absalom because of the ample narrative setup.
Insane take.
Luffy has stronger Haki and far superior techniques.
Wings are not boxing with this mfer for long.
Zoro can't cut him, Sanji can't blitz him, and neither can sustain a defense against him.
I expect a fight closer to Jabra or Queen than Absalom because of the ample narrative setup.
You gotta introduce me to your weed dealer coz the man is packing some heat 
Luffy is never beating Zoro and Sanji in a 2 v 1 much less in base form lol
Luffy is never beating Zoro and Sanji in a 2 v 1 much less in base form lol
Luffy has stronger Haki and far superior techniques.
Wings are not boxing with this mfer for long.
Zoro can't cut him, Sanji can't blitz him, and neither can sustain a defense against him.
Similar to how the average person can gain hysterical strength in circumstances where they or a loved one is in danger (mother lifting a car off her child), momentarily gaining the capability to perform a feat of strength that should only be possible through years of training.
POL could be something like that, to do the "impossible" under extreme conditions through/due to emotions. So, Luffy develops it the traditional way, through training; Zoro through a specific tool to aid him in the training process; but Sanji does it through "hysterical strength"/POL. He'll eventually get the hang of it and be able to use it at will, but he initially taps into it through emotion, allowing him to skip multiple steps.
If Oda has Sanji be trapped in thorns, incapable of escaping, then Sommers goes to kill Nami or Robin and he truly can't do anything, that is reason enough to unlock this power. Now the DR route is more fun and unique. The ability Imu dubs "The power of evil" being countered by the power of love is a match made in heaven. Either way, we're in for a treat.
POL could be something like that, to do the "impossible" under extreme conditions through/due to emotions. So, Luffy develops it the traditional way, through training; Zoro through a specific tool to aid him in the training process; but Sanji does it through "hysterical strength"/POL. He'll eventually get the hang of it and be able to use it at will, but he initially taps into it through emotion, allowing him to skip multiple steps.
If Oda has Sanji be trapped in thorns, incapable of escaping, then Sommers goes to kill Nami or Robin and he truly can't do anything, that is reason enough to unlock this power. Now the DR route is more fun and unique. The ability Imu dubs "The power of evil" being countered by the power of love is a match made in heaven. Either way, we're in for a treat.
So you reckon Sanji’s feats on Egghead have been unconscious usages of CoC brought about as a result of Power of Love? 🤔
And yh that’s one ting I really like & appreciate about the unique way Oda’s writes Sanji particularly post-ts. He puts quite a bit of thought into his characterization & there’s always something to look forward to with regard to his development ^^
Btw I’m sure someone has made this comparisons before but these are some pretty interesting parallels.
Lunarian ⇨ Innate Armament ⇨ Characteristic Body of Arrmor
Three Eyed Tribe ⇨ Innate Observation ⇨ Characteristic Sixth Sense
Buccaneer ⇨ Innate Conqueror ⇨ Characteristic Willpower (Through some kind of emotion) - Love, Anger etc.
I think emotion here rather than love for the buccaneers could make for interesting development for teach if it turns out he’s a buccaneer ^^
And yh that’s one ting I really like & appreciate about the unique way Oda’s writes Sanji particularly post-ts. He puts quite a bit of thought into his characterization & there’s always something to look forward to with regard to his development ^^
Btw I’m sure someone has made this comparisons before but these are some pretty interesting parallels.
Lunarian ⇨ Innate Armament ⇨ Characteristic Body of Arrmor
Three Eyed Tribe ⇨ Innate Observation ⇨ Characteristic Sixth Sense
Buccaneer ⇨ Innate Conqueror ⇨ Characteristic Willpower (Through some kind of emotion) - Love, Anger etc.
I think emotion here rather than love for the buccaneers could make for interesting development for teach if it turns out he’s a buccaneer ^^
But wouldn't that basicaly be the same thing, as in the ''Luffy route''? Unlocking it through an emotional situation?
Imo it fits Sanji the best, but as mentioned previously, Sanji already had moments like that and he did not unlock it. So him unlocking it, because for example Nami is in danger would seem rather inconsistent.
At this point, writing-wise, unlocking it through DR or something similiar seems a better choice. We also have to keep in mind, that Sanji has to literaly skip levels in order to hurt an immortal. Unlocking it the via the Luffy route would unlock the basic ability - knocking out fodder - but he needs AdvCoC, which took Luffy 2 years in total to learn. Technicaly not, since he needed to see it once and used his Armament training knowledge that he got shortly before that to use it, but you get my point - there was stil a long way.
It has to be somewhat believable how Sanji would jump levels and it not feel like an asspull, which i think is almost impossible, there is gonna be a bad after taste. Same thing with Enma which imo was the definition of an asspull, but it is what it is and there isn't really any better way now, since Oda gave them CoC wayyyyy to late.
Imo it fits Sanji the best, but as mentioned previously, Sanji already had moments like that and he did not unlock it. So him unlocking it, because for example Nami is in danger would seem rather inconsistent.
At this point, writing-wise, unlocking it through DR or something similiar seems a better choice. We also have to keep in mind, that Sanji has to literaly skip levels in order to hurt an immortal. Unlocking it the via the Luffy route would unlock the basic ability - knocking out fodder - but he needs AdvCoC, which took Luffy 2 years in total to learn. Technicaly not, since he needed to see it once and used his Armament training knowledge that he got shortly before that to use it, but you get my point - there was stil a long way.
It has to be somewhat believable how Sanji would jump levels and it not feel like an asspull, which i think is almost impossible, there is gonna be a bad after taste. Same thing with Enma which imo was the definition of an asspull, but it is what it is and there isn't really any better way now, since Oda gave them CoC wayyyyy to late.
I don't think she has. Perhaps when she was captured by Big Mom's army?
We need a Nami expert @RobertoTheOharaSurvivor
We need a Nami expert @RobertoTheOharaSurvivor
I’d imagine we actually see Sanji in this upcoming chapter and get a good idea of who he’ll be fighting
I’m still set on Sommers though. Just makes the most sense from a narrative perspective
Jobber this, jobber that, bla bla bla but imo if Sanji’s gonna awaken CoC it needs to be against an opponent that ticks the right boxes
For those that are saying there would’ve been more appropriate times for him to unlock it I think we’re all in agreement on that. It’s just one of those things where Oda (unfortunately) likes to drag it out
Like I’d argue there were moments in the story prior to Sabaody where Luffy should’ve tapped into it and he just didn’t. The awakening of CoC has never been fully logical honestly
I’m still set on Sommers though. Just makes the most sense from a narrative perspective
Jobber this, jobber that, bla bla bla but imo if Sanji’s gonna awaken CoC it needs to be against an opponent that ticks the right boxes
For those that are saying there would’ve been more appropriate times for him to unlock it I think we’re all in agreement on that. It’s just one of those things where Oda (unfortunately) likes to drag it out
Like I’d argue there were moments in the story prior to Sabaody where Luffy should’ve tapped into it and he just didn’t. The awakening of CoC has never been fully logical honestly
