Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1174 Spoilers Discussion

[Cozy Sofa]

Quick thought:

We can all agree on Doffy being kind of a successful version of Crocodile.

We have seen their relationship, it's a rivalry. Doffy (acted?) like he wanted a partnership but Croc (right fully?) dismissed the proposal.

We have also all seen the parallells between Loki and Kaido. We know Kaido got depressed due to realizing he isn't Joyboy, the (perceived) betrayal of Rocks, feelings of not being able to take revenge on WG (still building army), lack of rivals ("no one can kill me").

Can we assume Luffy (Joyboy with an army to rival WG) and Loki (his Dragon equal, Ancient Giants relative and perhaps even equal/superior in combat) will be able to recruit him to their army in the future?

 

[Shiroyru]

I can just copy paste my last response. Wtf are you even talking about? Loki took HK Harald down, the same Immortal guy Gaban with help couldn't do anything to stop.

It’s really interesting how so many OP powerscaler’s minds are stuck in the 2010’s. Sanjikun, Van, and HeroesNZ are prime examples of this

 

[TheD.]

No, he did not.
He literally told him to hurry up before Imu takes over again and defenses go up.

Harald literally telling Loki with the fruit he’s able to kill him

Harald is quite literally saying Loki> him with the fruit now

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Do Zoro fans just not fucking Read?

@nik87 just got exposed lol

 

[soupongo]

@SakazOuki @Elder Lee Hung @soupongo @Sentinel
Maaaaann y'all mfs best hope this dude lives up to the hype y'all putting him at, and doesn't get exposed as below even crippled Kuzan as a fighter. CAUSE IF HE DOES, I'm turning troll Demon mode on y'all when i comeback end of the year for abandoning The Great Sakazuki, The Great Issho, The Great Aramaki, The Great Borsalino, for a downgraded fake Ancient Giant who's gonna be a glorified pet for Nika.

The "Oda just a bad writer" shit ain't gone cut it.

Y'all thought that fake "Sakazuki strongest marine in history" was a tough time. OHH HELL NAH.

If it turns out he actually already clears Dragon/Shanks/Admirals/Roger/Garp going into the fight, then uhhh... have fun and see you never.

We literally read a flashback where we saw how strong Loki was, and he´s clearly stronger than Roger or Garp were, probably even Harald is stronger than those two, at least with his seals. It isn´t really ambigious anymore. Dragon and admirals have far from proven themselves to the extent Loki has.

Though I still like the admirals more as characters, so my fandom hasn´t really changed? They´re just not in current chapters, though the character I find most enjoyable rn isn´t even Loki, it´s Sommers.

 

[Levi]

No no, it isn't a sloppy fruit: the dragon zoan was a great fruit, really strong. No wonder was the core of Kaido's strength.

Spoiler

But simply it's not in the same category as Loki's, and it seems silly to me even trying to suggest otherwise. Loki's fruit was brought to the high heaven by the plot even before it was for the actual feats.

Not even saying kaido fruit is greater I’m saying trying to play it off as some irrelevant fruit like vegapunk wasn’t trying to copy it and we still didn’t see the full extent of it yet. Even then kaido fruit still clears most the verse.

 

[Zemlya]

Absolutely! When the first spoilers dropped, why do you think so many users started to cope about the title before it was revealed to be something different?

If any coping of that nature took place then it must’ve been drowned out by the roaring cheers of the users who did the opposite, and rejoiced before the title was revealed to be something else

 

[nik87]

Harald literally saying Loki would’ve beat be able to kill him


Dumbass

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Do Zoro fans just not fucking Read?

@nik87 just got exposed lol

If Loki was capable of beating him, Harald wouldnt need to drop defenses and tell him to hurry up while they are down.
As I said, it is a matter of reading comprehension. Every single time.

 

[ZenZu]

It'd be like saying Skypiea Luffy > Zoro + Wiper - everyone else on the island because he soloed Enel. Well duh, he was the only one who could hurt him matchup wise. That doesn't help him vs the others in a battle.

No not really because

1.Luffy was confirmed to be immune to Enel's lightning specifically, something Loki is factually not when it comes to Harald, Loki isn't immune to Harald's attacks.

2.Gaban had beat on immortals for sport, Harald was the exception because even the immortal countering ability was not working on him because of Harald's haki. As in Harald was simply too strong to also be immortal.

3.Luffy was confirmed to have specific matchup properties that allowed him to hurt Enel which do not apply to other characters, and which Zoro and Wyper didn't have access to.

There is no confirmation, arguably not even a hint that Loki has a very specific anti HK ability that has no use outside of taking on Harald.

So as it stands yes Loki has the best feat in the verse. Heck even without factoring in Loki killing Harald, the way he beat Harald out of Imu's influence alone, is something that would give him the best feat in the verse, given Gaban and Shanks combined never managed this as far as we know.

 

[TheD.]

If Loki was capable of beating him, Harald wouldnt need to drop defenses and tell him to hurry up while they are down.
As I said, it is a matter of reading comprehension. Every single time.

So you wanted Harald to keep attacking when Loki Beat him into his senses?

You wanted Harald to keep attacking him when he got beaten into his normal state of mind
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

 

[Paperchampion23]

According to Jarul, he doesn´t really know much about the Elbaf fruit. Why? Idk tbh, even Harald didn´t seem super knowledgable on it either really, so I guess the giants are just kind of ignorant about a lot of things outside of Elbaf, especially before Saul moved in.

What are you basing Imu not recognizing his power on? Today´s spoilers? I didn´t see any mention of that

When Loki killed Harald. He questions it

And we know he "feels" or sees things given he saw Rocks and conversed with him, recognized Joyboy's Haki through the Gorosei's bodies, and was visually taking over Gunko's body.

So why he doesnt recognize Loki's power here is weird

 

[SakazOuki]

Harald literally telling Loki with the fruit he’s able to kill him

Harald is quite literally saying Loki> him with the fruit now Stfu


Dumbass

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Do Zoro fans just not fucking Read?

@nik87 just got exposed lol

Imagine getting angry at Nik
He’s been exposed before you were born

 

[Nadel]

Shanks

 

[Sentinel]

Do I have an agenda? Yes
Do I bring shitload of headcanon for it? No
Your post is full of headcanon, there is probably zero direct comparison available and yet you are stating things like they are facts.

Also where did I throw a tantrum on Levi and MonsterKaido. MK is a fraud, he shits on Mihawk whenever he can, he downscales King and he jumped ship.

Wdym headcanon?
Ragnir >>> Kaido's kanabo. That's not even worth a conversation. Ragnir destroyed Loki's ACoC imbued hammer. Kaido's attacks never showed this kind of power against any weapon in the entire war, lol.
Loki's DF >> Kaido's is also quite obvious after what we've seen so far. One is a legendary fruit, possibly one of the ancient times. Another one is a powerful mythical zoan... but that's it.

Like, we have Big Mom's small description of this fruit:

"Well, this one should just do fine"
"It's the fish-fish fruit!! I'll give this one to Katakuri!! It'll be a major new power-up for my future pirate crew"

Now in comparison to Loki's DF, this one is Elbaf's national treasure and nobody but Loki ate it since the Void Century. Xebec thought he could beat Imu with this fruit.

There's legit no comparison between Kaido's and Loki's fruit.

When did MK downscale King? He downplayed Mihawk in fanverse cuz the Mihawk fans hate on Kaido there. It's just a different agenda battle in fanverse unlike WG, when Kaido and Zoro fans are more united.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

@HA001 @Blazing Lion @Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier

Hi guysss. We ready to run ZKL? Zoro Kills DR Loki for all of Elbaf to see, surpassing the legendary Ryuuma?!

 

[nik87]

So you wanted Harald to keep attacking when Loki Beat him into his senses?

You wanted Harald to keep attacking him when he got beaten into his normal state of mind
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

I said Loki cannot kill him without Harald himself removing aCoC defense.
Loki's attacks did nothing prior to that, everything instantly regenerated, didnt even manage to slow it down...

 

[soupongo]

This kind of implies Imu does accept responsibility for their own mistakes.

Can you imagine Jack or Cracker saying the same thing to Kaido or Linlin, if they just messed up either of their plans massively?

Maybe it goes full circle with the god complex. Kaido and Big mom think they´re almost like gods, but don´t believe they´re the actual thing, so they might get insecure about their subordinates talking shit. Imcel actually thinks he´s a god, so he might not care about what his subordinates say about him at all. Still, it´s pretty ballsy, you´d think hearing about Saturn being killed would get the HK in line, but Sommers is really that much of a shithead, lol.

 

[HeroesNZ]

No not really because

1.Luffy was confirmed to be immune to Enel's lightning specifically, something Loki is factually not when it comes to Harald, Loki isn't immune to Harald's attacks.

2.Gaban had beat on immortals for sport, Harald was the exception because even the immortal countering ability was not working on him because of Harald's haki. As in Harald was simply too strong to also be immortal.

3.Luffy was confirmed to have specific matchup properties that allowed him to hurt Enel which do not apply to other characters, and which Zoro and Wyper didn't have access to.

There is no confirmation, arguably not even a hint that Loki has a very specific anti HK ability that has no use outside of taking on Harald.

So as it stands yes Loki has the best feat in the verse. Heck even without factoring in Loki killing Harald, the way he beat Harald out of Imu's influence alone, is something that would give him the best feat in the verse, given Gaban and Shanks combined never managed this as far as we know.

1) Neither were Gaban nor Shanks yet they canonically heavily wounded him multiple times.

2) Yes, and Loki was canonically also useless against this defense until he got the fruit which lets him bypass it.

3) Loki's soul powers negating immortality isn't confirmed but it's pretty obvious atp. Saying there's not even a hint is pretty wild considering it certainly isn't Loki's haki that magically grew in strength so he could beat Harald. His zoan eyes are glowing like every other person that's been affected by soul powers.

Am I saying Loki's fruit is useless against non-immortals? No, obviously not. I'm saying his DF is what allowed him to kill Harald, but that a specific ability which allows you to kill immortals is useless against mortals. If Gaban and Shanks had this ability, they too could've killed Harald. It's a matchup specific feat which doesn't follow simple A>B>C logic. It's a situational feat.

Similar reason as to why no one calls Bajrang Gun the best attack in the manga — it's too situational. That's why people still say Kaido > Luffy even if Luffy beats Kaido due to the matchup, because Kaido will never dodge due to his personality and will lose the clash every time.

 

[Mansex]

I cannot comprehend Lokis power level. It's off the charts. We need to rethink OP power scaling again.

 

[TheD.]

I said Loki cannot kill him without Harald himself removing aCoC defense.
Loki's attacks did nothing prior to that, everything instantly regenerated, didnt even manage to slow it down...

his attacks made Harald lose the connection between the mark and he was gonna kill him already if Harald didn’t start talking.

 

[Paperchampion23]

Nika is simultaneously a god of liberation, destruction, and laughter because he will liberate the oppressed by destroying the “World” (aka Imu) while laughing.

It’s definitely possible that Loki’s fruit is just some important companion of Nika, but I think that would be problematic for a few reasons:

1. Powerscaling: Loki is already capable of bullying beyond PK level characters, despite not even being Awakened or fully mastering his Haki. It’s already hard enough to imagine how Luffy can reach Loki’s level, let alone become strong enough to make Loki look like his pet.

2. If we assume the the dragon and serpent in the murals were just the pets of the Sun God and Earth God, then where the fuck are the Forest God and Earth God in the mural? We see the Sun God and (likely) Sea God in the mural, so where are the other 2 Gods? And why are the pets of 2 of the Gods being depicted as equal in stature to Nika and Imu in the mural? And where is the Forest God’s and Sea God’s Hellfire Serpent / Nidhogg equivalent?

3. If Loki doesn’t have the Forest God DF, then who does? Imo the existence of the Sun God DF pretty much necessitates that the other 3 Gods that were placed on the Sun God’s level should have DFs of their own. Also, Imu clearly has a Zoan DF (Sea God DF most likely) on par with Luffy’s, so we already pretty know for a fact that one of the other 3 Gods also has a corresponding DF, making it even more likely that the other 2 should have DFs of their own. Blackbeard is the anti-Luffy and Davy Jones was placed on the same pedestal as Joyboy, so BB also having or obtaining a God DF (probably Earth God) is pretty much set in stone imo. I don’t see why the Forest God would be the only odd man out and not have a DF incarnation, so I don’t consider that a serious option

All you are doing is associating a dragon that may or may look like Loki's power coming out of a tree and calling it the forest god lol

From what the Harley says, Loki does nothing about dispatching or sending out demons around the world, and its also not something Imu recognizes in that era, since he has no idea what killed Harald.

So no, i dont think its that simple because nobody in Elbaf is revering Loki as some other God. They dont even refer him as anything but a destroyer.