Should Dark Knight Sanji get a temporary threadban after Elbaph is over as punishment?

  • No. He deserves to be perma'ed out of here. Time to purge this place. HAO's next.

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So luffy gonny revive big mom and beat her?
Using a "Luffy just says things" argument to reject something happening in the chapter is pointless. Using that logic Luffy shouldn't have fought Kaido, Kizaru, or anyone.

He said that line for a reason, and with Luffy and Loki moving on to Imu, someone needs to fight Sommers.
Oda's at least made Zoro somewhat involved with Sommers by protecting the kids from the thorns.
In comparison, Oda's kept Sanji completely separate. He's not even angry that Robin was captured by thorns this chapter. Didn't have Sanji go save the kids either. He's on the other side of the island too where Killingham is.

At least right now it makes more sense for Zoro vs Sommers than Sanji vs Sommers.
 
Using a "Luffy just says things" argument to reject something happening in the chapter is pointless. Using that logic Luffy shouldn't have fought Kaido, Kizaru, or anyone.

He said that line for a reason, and with Luffy and Loki moving on to Imu, someone needs to fight Sommers.
Oda's at least made Zoro somewhat involved with Sommers by protecting the kids from the thorns.
In comparison, Oda's kept Sanji completely separate. He's not even angry that Robin was captured by thorns this chapter. Didn't have Sanji go save the kids either. He's on the other side of the island too where Killingham is.

At least right now it makes more sense for Zoro vs Sommers than Sanji vs Sommers.
Ok if you say so
Zoro vs Sommers might be the least likely fight to happen in Elbaf

Like near 0
I mean to be fair zoro has 0 reason to fight Killingham either, he is even more of a npc than the usual zoro opponents with 0 connection

Sommers is also weird matchup for either chicken wing cause he might be the first villain i can remember who has actual more panel time than than the actual arc villain so im not sure if oda would even want to let him fight against them. Seems rather unorthodox

Sommers has the most build up and investment of any character in elbaf from villains, even if you take the god valley portion out, i kinda noticed that yesterday rereading elbaf
 
Luffy wants Sommers to remember Zoro. Sets up Zoro vs Sommers.
At some point Sommers will mention Zoro and Sanji will get really angry.

Btw DR Sanji is gaining traction once again, in my mind at least. I really love Sommers but his panel time is getting unreasonably high. Sanji may kill Sommers, an actual 1 vs 1 is quite unlikely
 
I'm sure no one thought Rayleigh was gonna fight Sommers in God Valley either, everyone was saying he's "Gaban's rival."
Look how that turned out.
That’s not what everyone was saying lol

Only Zoro fans that wanted to clown Sanji’s parallel thought Gaban and Sommers would have a full fight

The primary matchups were Rayleigh vs Shiki and Gaban vs Silver Axe
 
I mean to be fair zoro has 0 reason to fight Killingham either, he is even more of a npc than the usual zoro opponents with 0 connection

Sommers is also weird matchup for either chicken wing cause he might be the first villain i can remember who has actual more panel time than than the actual arc villain so im not sure if oda would even want to let him fight against them. Seems rather unorthodox

Sommers has the most build up and investment of any character in elbaf from villains, even if you take the god valley portion out, i kinda noticed that yesterday rereading elbaf
I mean you’ve said yourself that his matchups typically have very little connection to his character or development

Sanji’s usually do. Sommers works perfectly for that if we use the usual formula
 
At some point Sommers will mention Zoro and Sanji will get really angry.

Btw DR Sanji is gaining traction once again, in my mind at least. I really love Sommers but his panel time is getting unreasonably high. Sanji may kill Sommers, an actual 1 vs 1 is quite unlikely
What could Sommers even say to Sanji? This guy Zoro blocked some thorns? Sanji destroyed the thorns with his kick this same chapter.

I don't see DR Sanji/Zoro happening, the 2 wings need to learn/master acoc to hurt HK & Gorosei & this arc has 2 HK for them to fight.
The rest of the strawhats will have their hand full with the DR giants like Dorry/Brogy who shouldn't have anywhere near the same level of immortality as HK.
 
Luffy wants Sommers to remember Zoro. Sets up Zoro vs Sommers.

Sanji's far away near killingham. I expect these 2 to run into eachother next chapter.
There's still the brook problem and he needs to be saved from Gunko-Imu. It's either Luffy or Sanji who's gonna go for him and get domi reversed in turn.

My money is on Luffy at the moment. Evil Nika is the Oras of this arc even though I want to see evil Sanji too
 
I mean you’ve said yourself that his matchups typically have very little connection to his character or development

Sanji’s usually do. Sommers works perfectly for that if we use the usual formula
Sure and i agree with that, i think i said that to you couple weeks ago
But whats throwing me off now is HOW much focus Sommers gotten. We are not talking about "..." character vs a character oda likes to write

We talking about a literal npc character where we seen its minion more than the character it self vs a character oda gave the most panel time from the villains in the arc

Could still happen of course but sus
 
That’s not what everyone was saying lol

Only Zoro fans that wanted to clown Sanji’s parallel thought Gaban and Sommers would have a full fight

The primary matchups were Rayleigh vs Shiki and Gaban vs Silver Axe
Well those fights didn't happen either.
And point is no one thought Rayleigh vs Sommers had even 1% chance of happening, yet Oda set it up to happen.
Zoro vs Sommers has some set up this chapter, and he needs to master acoc to hurt the immortals, so what reason shouldn't they fight?
 
There's still the brook problem and he needs to be saved from Gunko-Imu. It's either Luffy or Sanji who's gonna go for him and get domi reversed in turn.

My money is on Luffy at the moment. Evil Nika is the Oras of this arc even though I want to see evil Sanji too
Brooke doesn't seem to be near Imunko at the end of this chapter.
She's in the sky flying.
 
Well those fights didn't happen either.
And point is no one thought Rayleigh vs Sommers had even 1% chance of happening, yet Oda set it up to happen.
Zoro vs Sommers has some set up this chapter, and he needs to master acoc to hurt the immortals, so what reason shouldn't they fight?
It's pretty simple, they have similar vibes to King and Queen. Killingham is quiet and precise, while Sommers is decadent, loud and likes playing with his prey.

Though Oda could always switch the dynamic, and have Zoro fight the Queen like character, while Sanji fights the King like character, but I doubt it.
 
It's pretty simple, they have similar vibes to King and Queen. Killingham is quiet and precise, while Sommers is decadent, loud and likes playing with his prey.

Though Oda could always switch the dynamic, and have Zoro fight the Queen like character, while Sanji fights the King like character, but I doubt it.
While Oda does repeat patterns, he can do things different like Kuroobi/Hatchi.
I mean Luffy is about to fight a pretty woman as an arc boss for the first time ever.

Robin being saved already removes a lot of the reason for Sanji vs Sommers. Same with the kids being saved. And I doubt Oda wants to repeat the hostage situation after spending like 30 chapters on it this arc and finally resolving it.
 
While Oda does repeat patterns, he can do things different like Kuroobi/Hatchi.
I mean Luffy is about to fight a pretty woman as an arc boss for the first time ever.

Robin being saved already removes a lot of the reason for Sanji vs Sommers. Same with the kids being saved. And I doubt Oda wants to repeat the hostage situation after spending like 30 chapters on it this arc and finally resolving it.
To be honest, I don't think Sommers is going to do much from here on out, his main role is over.

These last few chapters were practically the climax of his character. We see him at the peak of his cruelty and increasingly ecstatic with happiness, to the point of blaming Imu himself, until Luffy and Loki arrive and bring his karma, saving the day while their allies witnessing their heroism.
 
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