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That was pretty funny. It's just operating out of annoyance because I've already been clear that I'm not speaking for someone else. I'm not Van or five arguments behind, etc. Poster A being on the same track as me or not hasn't been what I said
I'd say it would be overreacting if I said it was offensive, or something along those lines. What I'm saying is that in a practical sense, homosexuality and pedophilia are more different than they would be alike. You are consistently framing this as me saying "how dare you" when I'm saying that they're only as alike as two things treated completely differently in a legal sense.
Frank Berlin said that some may come to the wrong conclusions from the DSM-5. "The distinction between being sexually attracted to children in some fashion (e.g., experiencing urges to view child pornography) and experiencing urges to act on that attraction with a child can easily be lost." Agreeable and understood. However, in the bolded part... as I've been saying, this is a crime. There is a distinction between pornography and hands-on abuse, but that difference doesn't change what I've been saying.
I mean there's no way you thought this could be contrary to what I've said. It's true and agreed that psychiatric and legal criteria can be different and that other cultures have different definitions of what is acceptable... but I haven't denied any of that.
I think there are at least a dozen successors or something. It's a black eye either way but I'm almost in tears thinking about how they will break the news
I'd say it would be overreacting if I said it was offensive, or something along those lines. What I'm saying is that in a practical sense, homosexuality and pedophilia are more different than they would be alike. You are consistently framing this as me saying "how dare you" when I'm saying that they're only as alike as two things treated completely differently in a legal sense.
Frank Berlin said that some may come to the wrong conclusions from the DSM-5. "The distinction between being sexually attracted to children in some fashion (e.g., experiencing urges to view child pornography) and experiencing urges to act on that attraction with a child can easily be lost." Agreeable and understood. However, in the bolded part... as I've been saying, this is a crime. There is a distinction between pornography and hands-on abuse, but that difference doesn't change what I've been saying.
I mean there's no way you thought this could be contrary to what I've said. It's true and agreed that psychiatric and legal criteria can be different and that other cultures have different definitions of what is acceptable... but I haven't denied any of that.
I think there are at least a dozen successors or something. It's a black eye either way but I'm almost in tears thinking about how they will break the news
Psychiatry is not something to be trusted.
Let met schematize why:
Psychiatry is the institutionnal tool of capitalism that makes sure to keep you in check in the case where you have the audacity to go away from the production line. It makes sure to institutionnalize "scientifically" the fact that if you slack off, that it's because you have a disorder and therefore you need to be healed, either through a montly payement to someone who looks at you for 30 minutes without doing nothing or through monthtly payment to someone who looks at you for 30 minutes without doing nothing and who give you 30 addictive life threatenning medications at the end of the session.
But hey... if you are lucky with psychiatrists, you can even get a FREE 10 years one way roadtrip to your local detaining psychiatric center, with gentle doctors with funny needles, fancy colored neutralizing pills, big hands that can make you bleed rainbows and nice shining electrochocs.
Sillyness aside: Don't trust psychiatry. Use what you need, not it. I'm telling you that because I know. These are not theories for me.
What I told you on the subject is far more grounded in the material reality of the world and the current situation than anything a psychiatrist will try to explain.
Let met schematize why:
Psychiatry is the institutionnal tool of capitalism that makes sure to keep you in check in the case where you have the audacity to go away from the production line. It makes sure to institutionnalize "scientifically" the fact that if you slack off, that it's because you have a disorder and therefore you need to be healed, either through a montly payement to someone who looks at you for 30 minutes without doing nothing or through monthtly payment to someone who looks at you for 30 minutes without doing nothing and who give you 30 addictive life threatenning medications at the end of the session.
But hey... if you are lucky with psychiatrists, you can even get a FREE 10 years one way roadtrip to your local detaining psychiatric center, with gentle doctors with funny needles, fancy colored neutralizing pills, big hands that can make you bleed rainbows and nice shining electrochocs.
Sillyness aside: Don't trust psychiatry. Use what you need, not it. I'm telling you that because I know. These are not theories for me.
What I told you on the subject is far more grounded in the material reality of the world and the current situation than anything a psychiatrist will try to explain.
If anyone thinks Trump is doing this to save Iranian people from oppressive regime after seeing one year of his current presidency then that person is totally clueless.
To prevent an imminent attack on US base is an excuse.
Saving Iranian people and give them freedom of choice to elect their own government is political messaging.
And, we all know what happened in the past to the countries when America intervened in the name of democracy.
Iran's current regime is oppressive but US is no saviour neither USA acts in the best interests of Iranian people. Definitely not Trump.
We all know what are the real reasons.
1) To prevent Iran from being a nuclear power. It will make Israel lose military dominance in the region.
US bases in the region would become vulnerable and it would be a massive strategic loss to US as Iran is closer to China as well.
New regime which will come into power because of US would be more suited to ensure strategic dominance of USA and Israel in the region.
2) Strait of Hormuz - 20% of World's oil passes through this and Iran controls one side of it. Enough said.
What happened in Iran's protest only gave a narrative to USA to act in the name of Humanitarian intervention.
To prevent an imminent attack on US base is an excuse.
Saving Iranian people and give them freedom of choice to elect their own government is political messaging.
And, we all know what happened in the past to the countries when America intervened in the name of democracy.
Iran's current regime is oppressive but US is no saviour neither USA acts in the best interests of Iranian people. Definitely not Trump.
We all know what are the real reasons.
1) To prevent Iran from being a nuclear power. It will make Israel lose military dominance in the region.
US bases in the region would become vulnerable and it would be a massive strategic loss to US as Iran is closer to China as well.
New regime which will come into power because of US would be more suited to ensure strategic dominance of USA and Israel in the region.
2) Strait of Hormuz - 20% of World's oil passes through this and Iran controls one side of it. Enough said.
What happened in Iran's protest only gave a narrative to USA to act in the name of Humanitarian intervention.
The thing that makes me suspicious of the way pedophilia is pathologized is the way in which a lot of these people have ideological beliefs that motivate their actions.
like I’ve watched videos exposing MAP activists on the internet, and these people have a very distorted view of children.
I think it’s something like being a Nazi or a conspiracy theorist where folks are often driven into these things by mental illness, but it’s also partly due to their own actions.
like I’ve watched videos exposing MAP activists on the internet, and these people have a very distorted view of children.
I think it’s something like being a Nazi or a conspiracy theorist where folks are often driven into these things by mental illness, but it’s also partly due to their own actions.
Uh... BTW... little warning note:
When I say "don't trust psychiatry" I'm not ruling out medication necessarily or the fact of actually seeking help. If you are unwell, it's still a viable option, but the best is to find circle of people who - like you - live that kind of things too. You will perhaps end up finding peers that will help you much more effectively and without the institution.
Exactly, the problem is education and social cconditionning.
These are learned traits and barriers that are jumped over because of who knows what (perhaps, facilitated sometimes by mental condition, but these are only the triggers). Rapist for ex, are not ill, they simply don't care or don't understand consent and the agentivity of others.
When we educate them, we see that people actually learn.
This means that taking into account the systems creating these behavior and countering / responsibilizing the perpetuators is not only a way to prevent abuses and agressions, it's also a way to find solution to change society, these people included.
When I say "don't trust psychiatry" I'm not ruling out medication necessarily or the fact of actually seeking help. If you are unwell, it's still a viable option, but the best is to find circle of people who - like you - live that kind of things too. You will perhaps end up finding peers that will help you much more effectively and without the institution.
Exactly, the problem is education and social cconditionning.
These are learned traits and barriers that are jumped over because of who knows what (perhaps, facilitated sometimes by mental condition, but these are only the triggers). Rapist for ex, are not ill, they simply don't care or don't understand consent and the agentivity of others.
When we educate them, we see that people actually learn.
This means that taking into account the systems creating these behavior and countering / responsibilizing the perpetuators is not only a way to prevent abuses and agressions, it's also a way to find solution to change society, these people included.
Because I literally was just talking about the attraction part of it.
I don't think I've ever argued that the consumption or action towards minors wasn't and shouldn't be illegal? Hence why I said that Pedos who don't commit any crimes are perfectly law abiding citizens no?
My argument was always about the underlying attraction that they have, not what manifest from it. Logiko believes is more due to societal structures, I pointed out the field believes is a pathology. Either way the attraction in of itself is bad, but is not treated as illegal until the patient actually acts upon it.
I don't think I've ever argued that the consumption or action towards minors wasn't and shouldn't be illegal? Hence why I said that Pedos who don't commit any crimes are perfectly law abiding citizens no?
My argument was always about the underlying attraction that they have, not what manifest from it. Logiko believes is more due to societal structures, I pointed out the field believes is a pathology. Either way the attraction in of itself is bad, but is not treated as illegal until the patient actually acts upon it.
people hyper obsessed over Israel's influence in U.S foreign policy but always ignoring Saudi influence will never not be funny. MBS really is the kingpin of the MENA region @Apollo @Midnight Delight
Interestingly, the America is behaving like they are saving Iran while millions in Iran are mourning the death of Khamenei.
Mob in Pakistan torched the US consulate and thousands are protesting against the killing of Khamenei.
Iran continues to bomb Gulf countries.
Even if new and better regime do gets into power - the seeds of a civil war have been sowed.
Mob in Pakistan torched the US consulate and thousands are protesting against the killing of Khamenei.
Iran continues to bomb Gulf countries.
Even if new and better regime do gets into power - the seeds of a civil war have been sowed.
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