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Yes, internal tensions in Iran existed for a long time.
Yes, regime was oppressive.
But I don't know why people suddenly are turning blind to the history of consequences of such external military intervention?
When such military intervention happens like this then it changes internal dynamics in dangerous and uncontrolled ways.
Libya and Syria are classic examples.
Such intervention in the name of so called "democracy" leads to fragmentation, civil wars, radicalisation and extreme nationalism.
And, yes pro-regime people are everywhere but during such crisis people shift from against the regime to the identity of nation vs external threat...if not now then later.
And, if not, then the new regime end up as puppet of outside forces which results into resentment and destabilization of the country.
Isn't America the same nation that intervened in Libya in the name of "democracy" and "save people" ? Look what happened to Libya yourself.
Protests in Pakistan and Iran targeting Gulf countries are signals of regional spillover risk in already destabilised region.
Yes, regime was oppressive.
But I don't know why people suddenly are turning blind to the history of consequences of such external military intervention?
When such military intervention happens like this then it changes internal dynamics in dangerous and uncontrolled ways.
Libya and Syria are classic examples.
Such intervention in the name of so called "democracy" leads to fragmentation, civil wars, radicalisation and extreme nationalism.
And, yes pro-regime people are everywhere but during such crisis people shift from against the regime to the identity of nation vs external threat...if not now then later.
And, if not, then the new regime end up as puppet of outside forces which results into resentment and destabilization of the country.
Isn't America the same nation that intervened in Libya in the name of "democracy" and "save people" ? Look what happened to Libya yourself.
Protests in Pakistan and Iran targeting Gulf countries are signals of regional spillover risk in already destabilised region.
not too knowledgeable about Israeli politics but I feel like the extent of “greater Israel” will just be an attempt to conquer and settle the Palestinian Territories. And even that has its limits.
Ultimately it is the US that pulls the strings, not Israel. The US isn’t going to jeopardize its relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies over some fanatical Jewish extremist agenda.
There are a lot of those fanatics in Israel, so yeah ofc Israeli politicians will pander to them. But anyone who actually tried that might tbh get killed by the CIA.
Ultimately it is the US that pulls the strings, not Israel. The US isn’t going to jeopardize its relationship with Saudi Arabia and other Arab allies over some fanatical Jewish extremist agenda.
There are a lot of those fanatics in Israel, so yeah ofc Israeli politicians will pander to them. But anyone who actually tried that might tbh get killed by the CIA.
Pedophilia is a form of paraphilia that causes harm to others and is thus considered a paraphilic disorder. Multiple studies suggest that there are both structural and functional differences in the brains of pedophiles compared to those of controls, in both cortical and subcortical areas (eg, limbic system, frontostriatal region.
No? No. This attraction is always indicative of a crime whether or not they are law abiding citizens. You're probably better off being a crackhead. Tell a cop that you pleasured yourself to a Jelly Beanz catalog and let me know how that goes.
So long as you realize that this wasn't even the example to take from Frank Berlin. You don't have to harm a child directly to act upon it.
We don't really get the chance to forget or overlook the impact of MBS. Maybe if he gave a shit about Muslims or Muslims gave a shit about him.
No? No. This attraction is always indicative of a crime whether or not they are law abiding citizens. You're probably better off being a crackhead. Tell a cop that you pleasured yourself to a Jelly Beanz catalog and let me know how that goes.
So long as you realize that this wasn't even the example to take from Frank Berlin. You don't have to harm a child directly to act upon it.
We don't really get the chance to forget or overlook the impact of MBS. Maybe if he gave a shit about Muslims or Muslims gave a shit about him.
btw people really aren’t focused enough on the fact that this whole war with Iran is probably driven by a desire for oil on the American side.
it probably isn’t a coincidence that Trump attacked Venezuela and Iran, while threatening Canada.
But, along with restricting Iran's nuclear ambition passage of oil is key here. China gets discounted oil from the region. And, Iran also controls one side of Strait of Hormuz through which oil goes through. Control over passage can give enough leverage to US .
But unless you act upon your urges it isn't? and it's totally possible to go the rest of your life as a law abiding pedo no? It's like an antisocial behavior. It may be indicative of harmful actions but plenty of sociopaths go the rest of their lives without harming people.
I made it clear that there's plenty of avenues where they don't even have to consume or produce any content with minors either though. Through my straight/gay men fantasizing hypothetical. It's literally why I brought it up
Based, religious tribalism sectarian or not is a cancer. Best thing Europe did was move away from it.
I made it clear that there's plenty of avenues where they don't even have to consume or produce any content with minors either though. Through my straight/gay men fantasizing hypothetical. It's literally why I brought it up
Based, religious tribalism sectarian or not is a cancer. Best thing Europe did was move away from it.
btw people really aren’t focused enough on the fact that this whole war with Iran is probably driven by a desire for oil on the American side.
it probably isn’t a coincidence that Trump attacked Venezuela and Iran, while threatening Canada.
The answer is simple. Iran is hostile towards our two biggest allies in the region and funds the "axis of resistance" which wage proxy wars against them. The threat of nuclear warheads was mainly against them not us
I don’t think people are blind to the possibilities of this whole thing becoming a huge mess
But what are the alternatives ? Letting Iran having nuclear weapons ? Letting them kill tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of their people ? Letting them funding and creating wars abroad against Israel via Hezbollah and Hamas, Hutis etc etc ?
This situation isn’t a 100% guarantee that things would change at all, and even if it indeed changes we have no guarantee at all that it would change for the better
but we are in a situation where creating an opportunity for things to change isn’t the worst thing to do
and yeah regime change can last a very lang time, it can be a mess at first and be better in the future, who knows. We don’t know what will happen in the future but the current situation in the country was something that couldnt have lasted for long, either for Israel / USA after October 7 and nuclear weapon and for its own people
But what are the alternatives ? Letting Iran having nuclear weapons ? Letting them kill tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of their people ? Letting them funding and creating wars abroad against Israel via Hezbollah and Hamas, Hutis etc etc ?
This situation isn’t a 100% guarantee that things would change at all, and even if it indeed changes we have no guarantee at all that it would change for the better
but we are in a situation where creating an opportunity for things to change isn’t the worst thing to do
and yeah regime change can last a very lang time, it can be a mess at first and be better in the future, who knows. We don’t know what will happen in the future but the current situation in the country was something that couldnt have lasted for long, either for Israel / USA after October 7 and nuclear weapon and for its own people
I am not against the regime change.
I am arguing against the method of military intervention at such scale.
I am arguing against America's history of intervention and then backing off from accountability and responsibility when things goes messy which most of the time did happen - Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan..
All of these countries are in mess and not one has been on track. Infact, things gone worse with more extremism.
I am arguing against the reasons being fed to us that America is intervening due to oppression and to save Iranians.
If saving Iranians from oppressive regime is the reason then where was America in last few decades of the oppression?
This narrative is simply political messaging to hide the real reason because we all know that primary reason behind Trump going at war is Iran's refusal to have Nuclear deal with no nuclear armament as per US terms to protect US and Israel strategic dominance.
If Khamenei would have agreed then you wouldn't be seeing this war at all.
Let me be blunt - Iran regime is oppressive but USA is a bully. It's military intervention in the name of humanitarian help is nothing but BS and is simply being done to advance it's own strategic interests.
It happened in the past and it's happening now again.
I am arguing against the method of military intervention at such scale.
I am arguing against America's history of intervention and then backing off from accountability and responsibility when things goes messy which most of the time did happen - Iraq, Syria, Libya, Afghanistan..
All of these countries are in mess and not one has been on track. Infact, things gone worse with more extremism.
I am arguing against the reasons being fed to us that America is intervening due to oppression and to save Iranians.
If saving Iranians from oppressive regime is the reason then where was America in last few decades of the oppression?
This narrative is simply political messaging to hide the real reason because we all know that primary reason behind Trump going at war is Iran's refusal to have Nuclear deal with no nuclear armament as per US terms to protect US and Israel strategic dominance.
If Khamenei would have agreed then you wouldn't be seeing this war at all.
Let me be blunt - Iran regime is oppressive but USA is a bully. It's military intervention in the name of humanitarian help is nothing but BS and is simply being done to advance it's own strategic interests.
It happened in the past and it's happening now again.
International sanctions, UN resolutions, International intervention if required.
It's not up to the empire to decide what brown people needs to be save by punctionning their oils and killing their kids. This imperialist mindset is the reason why the region is in this conundrum in the first place.
You don't want the US to come one day in France and start ravaging the place because of economical interests, right? Well why do you accept that for others ?
There are no opportunities for "progressive" regime change here. It's a replacement by people just as worse. There are no freedoms for Iranians in the balance. There are only economic and strategic interest for the US and that all.
It's not up to the empire to decide what brown people needs to be save by punctionning their oils and killing their kids. This imperialist mindset is the reason why the region is in this conundrum in the first place.
You don't want the US to come one day in France and start ravaging the place because of economical interests, right? Well why do you accept that for others ?
There are no opportunities for "progressive" regime change here. It's a replacement by people just as worse. There are no freedoms for Iranians in the balance. There are only economic and strategic interest for the US and that all.
I whole-heartedly agree that US interventions in the past have been (mostly) disastrous
And I agree that their motives have been bullshit most of the time. The South American counties can tell is better than most, or even Irak etc etc
a long tradition of imperialism and turning countries into shit
And I agree too that Trump / and some Americans doesn’t give two shits about Iranian people.
I agree with all of that and more
but maybe, just maybe, in front of this regime, right now, with the Iranian people, there is a window for a regime change and maybe this can be for the best.
My point is that given the recent actions of Iran the only real action was to fight them upfront and hope for the best. If Iran hadn’t been close to going nuclear and hadn’t had its two hands into October 7 then I think they could have kept their whole rotten system untouched.
Does this even ever work lol ? Who believe in that anymore ? As if Iran wasn’t already under heavy sanctions
that didn’t prevent them to go into nuclear, did t prevent them to attack Israel 24/24 and participating to October 7 and didn’t prevent them to kill 40.000 of their own 1 month ago.
Lol again
with China and Russia nothing will ever happen to Iran at the UN
it’s a complete dream
Everything is always about interests, nothing is really « pure » especially between countries
Because France and Iran are behaving the same ?
If France was a bloody dictatorship and waged war against,lets say Italy, and has wanted to erase them for 40y, then wanted to go nuclear for years, and then helped the massacre of 5000 Italians (proportionally) of them, and if they had killed ten of thousands of their own people : if Italy and USA went to war against them I don’t think i would cry one second
And I agree that their motives have been bullshit most of the time. The South American counties can tell is better than most, or even Irak etc etc
a long tradition of imperialism and turning countries into shit
And I agree too that Trump / and some Americans doesn’t give two shits about Iranian people.
I agree with all of that and more
but maybe, just maybe, in front of this regime, right now, with the Iranian people, there is a window for a regime change and maybe this can be for the best.
My point is that given the recent actions of Iran the only real action was to fight them upfront and hope for the best. If Iran hadn’t been close to going nuclear and hadn’t had its two hands into October 7 then I think they could have kept their whole rotten system untouched.
Does this even ever work lol ? Who believe in that anymore ? As if Iran wasn’t already under heavy sanctions
that didn’t prevent them to go into nuclear, did t prevent them to attack Israel 24/24 and participating to October 7 and didn’t prevent them to kill 40.000 of their own 1 month ago.
Lol again
with China and Russia nothing will ever happen to Iran at the UN
it’s a complete dream
Everything is always about interests, nothing is really « pure » especially between countries
Because France and Iran are behaving the same ?
If France was a bloody dictatorship and waged war against,lets say Italy, and has wanted to erase them for 40y, then wanted to go nuclear for years, and then helped the massacre of 5000 Italians (proportionally) of them, and if they had killed ten of thousands of their own people : if Italy and USA went to war against them I don’t think i would cry one second
Khamenei death won't result into regime change. Iran has successors to follow on his footsteps within the framework of same regime.
To bring the change, US and Israel have to overcome the most powerful institution in the Iran - IRGC - politically, economically and militarily.
IRGC is responsible for protecting the regime and the state. It was answerable only to Khamenei and now effectively is the main pillar calling the shots.
If IRGC stays influential or powerful then it will follow the next Supreme Leader who would most likely be the man from the same regime or a puppet of IRGC.
To bring the change, US and Israel have to overcome the most powerful institution in the Iran - IRGC - politically, economically and militarily.
IRGC is responsible for protecting the regime and the state. It was answerable only to Khamenei and now effectively is the main pillar calling the shots.
If IRGC stays influential or powerful then it will follow the next Supreme Leader who would most likely be the man from the same regime or a puppet of IRGC.