There is still no proof Yamato know Ace no back flash yet. Tama clearly has some panel to support that. We still dont know much about Yamato yet. Luffy trust Yamato now mean nothing since Luffy trust Pudding first in WCI and how it turns out later. Luffy giving Momo to Yamato is dangerous because it still early. I just no plot turn since there not much time to finish the series anymore. Maybe no more twist plot. I like Yamato but I still have doubt since does not give direct answer. Luffy is simple minded not thinking too much type just like how he answer Robin, Vivi, Law, Caribou. If Yamato has strange DF that Luffy like that will another case
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That's a misrepresentation of what I just said. I agree that Momo will become the shogun. On the previous post I pointed out alternative roles for Yamato.
Yes I can, and I will, because how a character is presented in the story >>> any individual things they say. That's obvious.
And no, Yamato's connection to Oden is weak for the reasons that there are a whole host of other characters in the same situation as her, many of them having far more going for them than Yamato. She didn't even personally know him. As far as we know, Oden doesn't even know Yamato existed. That's absolutely nowhere near the connection Oden had with his scabbards, whom he personally passed his will onto, his children, Zoro, whom his daughter formally bequeathed Oden's sword (which carries symbolism but in and out of story), and then Luffy, whom Yamao herself claimed was more like Oden than she was. All Yamato has going for her is that she saw Oden's death, (like the rest of Wano did), and that she has his journal. That doesn't begin to compare to having a closer connection to him as people who actually lived with him and formally inherited his things. Not even close.
Using your same logic you'd claim that Weevil has a strong connection to Whitebeard, despite the obvious truth that he's deluded, as WB's real sons are his crew.
I'm not talking about weebs on manga forums, I'm talking about the casual reader. Don't apply your standards to the average OP fan.
So what are you arguing now? That recruitments are surprising or that they aren't? Because here you're trying to state what "the surprise" was for Yamato, yet you denied the surprise factor even existed in the paragraph above.
"By her own words" she wants to join Luffy *ride on Luffy's ship, which is no different than what Caribou had already asked (and was accepted) earlier in the arc. And it should be clear that this is not how parallels work in One Piece. People don't go "Hmmm, what would this character I'm supposed to be like do???" They just act, and it's then obvious to us the readers that their actions resemble another character we know. You don't see Luffy intentionally referencing Roger every 10 seconds for the sake of trying to be like Roger. Why not? Because that would be stupid and boring. They're not playing dress up. Luffy already tried to tell her all of this, telling her that she can't be Oden. You were using character's statements as fact before, and here Luffy is saying that there's no way Yama-dude can be Oden. So this idea is doubly refuted both by story presentation and by character statements. You're trying to force something that clearly isn't meant to be, with even our MC calling out her BS. Parallels are more natural and subtle than overtly screaming "I am xyz!!!" That is called an impersonation and/or mental illness.
I never said that Yamato was definitely going to be shogun. Every single time I mentioned the idea, I've always tried to emphasise that it's nothing more than speculation. Just an idea. What I am very confident on however is that Yamato is not going to join the crew. But obviously that's just my opinion, and of course has no impact on reality.
Yes I can, and I will, because how a character is presented in the story >>> any individual things they say. That's obvious.
And no, Yamato's connection to Oden is weak for the reasons that there are a whole host of other characters in the same situation as her, many of them having far more going for them than Yamato. She didn't even personally know him. As far as we know, Oden doesn't even know Yamato existed. That's absolutely nowhere near the connection Oden had with his scabbards, whom he personally passed his will onto, his children, Zoro, whom his daughter formally bequeathed Oden's sword (which carries symbolism but in and out of story), and then Luffy, whom Yamao herself claimed was more like Oden than she was. All Yamato has going for her is that she saw Oden's death, (like the rest of Wano did), and that she has his journal. That doesn't begin to compare to having a closer connection to him as people who actually lived with him and formally inherited his things. Not even close.
Using your same logic you'd claim that Weevil has a strong connection to Whitebeard, despite the obvious truth that he's deluded, as WB's real sons are his crew.
I'm not talking about weebs on manga forums, I'm talking about the casual reader. Don't apply your standards to the average OP fan.
So what are you arguing now? That recruitments are surprising or that they aren't? Because here you're trying to state what "the surprise" was for Yamato, yet you denied the surprise factor even existed in the paragraph above.
"By her own words" she wants to join Luffy *ride on Luffy's ship, which is no different than what Caribou had already asked (and was accepted) earlier in the arc. And it should be clear that this is not how parallels work in One Piece. People don't go "Hmmm, what would this character I'm supposed to be like do???" They just act, and it's then obvious to us the readers that their actions resemble another character we know. You don't see Luffy intentionally referencing Roger every 10 seconds for the sake of trying to be like Roger. Why not? Because that would be stupid and boring. They're not playing dress up. Luffy already tried to tell her all of this, telling her that she can't be Oden. You were using character's statements as fact before, and here Luffy is saying that there's no way Yama-dude can be Oden. So this idea is doubly refuted both by story presentation and by character statements. You're trying to force something that clearly isn't meant to be, with even our MC calling out her BS. Parallels are more natural and subtle than overtly screaming "I am xyz!!!" That is called an impersonation and/or mental illness.
I never said that Yamato was definitely going to be shogun. Every single time I mentioned the idea, I've always tried to emphasise that it's nothing more than speculation. Just an idea. What I am very confident on however is that Yamato is not going to join the crew. But obviously that's just my opinion, and of course has no impact on reality.
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No it wouldn’t make sense to pick Yamato... Like I said Momo somehow learning to forgive Yamato for her fathers wrongdoings and becoming friends with her does not aoutomatically translate to Momo picking her to be the shogun at all.
Even if they do somehow become friends. You’d then have to explain why he’d pick her To fill in over all The scabbards who are qualified and his blood sister. Why would yamato even come up in that convo.
I really don’t understand this jump from Momo befriending Kaidou son to Her, who’s unrelated to the position whatsoever to become shogun.
Even if they do somehow become friends. You’d then have to explain why he’d pick her To fill in over all The scabbards who are qualified and his blood sister. Why would yamato even come up in that convo.
I really don’t understand this jump from Momo befriending Kaidou son to Her, who’s unrelated to the position whatsoever to become shogun.
I know it doesn't. I never said that it did. Since multiple people are misunderstanding me, I'm probably the one that's not making myself clear enough.
I'm NOT saying Momo is certain to pick Yamato to be shogun. I'm NOT saying anything automatically means Yamato is going to be a proxy until Momo can rule.
What I AM saying is that there is an issue with sexism in Wano, an issue with blaming and persecuting people for the crimes of their relatives. Yamato happens to be the daughter of Kaido, something that address both of those points. And we now know that she's been entrusted to look after Momo, and that she's the age Momo would've been if he'd been allowed to mature instead of time travelling, and that the idea of Yamato becoming shogun has already been introduced in the story. We know that they have a similar background so Momo would be able to relate to her, and she to him on a level that the scabbards couldn't personally relate to.
I'm merely considering the possibility of this event and how many different points it would address simultaneously if it were to happen. Just like the possibility of Yamato being in a different position of authority other than shogun.
He could pick her because as mentioned previously, she is in a position to understand his struggles as she went through a lot of the same things. Whilst all the scabbards are fighting Kaido, she's the one that's been told to protect Momo at his most vulnerable moment, on the brink of death.
I agree it's more likely that Momo's the shogun and Yamato is chosen for some other role like a daimyo or something, but this is another alternative that provides Yamato with a role on Wano.
I'm NOT saying Momo is certain to pick Yamato to be shogun. I'm NOT saying anything automatically means Yamato is going to be a proxy until Momo can rule.
What I AM saying is that there is an issue with sexism in Wano, an issue with blaming and persecuting people for the crimes of their relatives. Yamato happens to be the daughter of Kaido, something that address both of those points. And we now know that she's been entrusted to look after Momo, and that she's the age Momo would've been if he'd been allowed to mature instead of time travelling, and that the idea of Yamato becoming shogun has already been introduced in the story. We know that they have a similar background so Momo would be able to relate to her, and she to him on a level that the scabbards couldn't personally relate to.
I'm merely considering the possibility of this event and how many different points it would address simultaneously if it were to happen. Just like the possibility of Yamato being in a different position of authority other than shogun.
He could pick her because as mentioned previously, she is in a position to understand his struggles as she went through a lot of the same things. Whilst all the scabbards are fighting Kaido, she's the one that's been told to protect Momo at his most vulnerable moment, on the brink of death.
I agree it's more likely that Momo's the shogun and Yamato is chosen for some other role like a daimyo or something, but this is another alternative that provides Yamato with a role on Wano.
Exactly. In a story like One Piece, it's very unlikely we're going to leave Wano with it still being a sexist place. This is what Kin emon said:
This isn't a reason to suggest why Yamato won't be in a position of authority, it is instead actually a reason why it would be even more likely as she is an outspoken woman and would shatter dated sexist norms, allowing us to leave the island a better place, like has been the pattern for 1000 chapters.
This isn't a reason to suggest why Yamato won't be in a position of authority, it is instead actually a reason why it would be even more likely as she is an outspoken woman and would shatter dated sexist norms, allowing us to leave the island a better place, like has been the pattern for 1000 chapters.
Exactly. In a story like One Piece, it's very unlikely we're going to leave Wano with it still being a sexist place. This is what Kin emon said:
This isn't a reason to suggest why Yamato won't be in a position of authority, it is instead actually a reason why it would be even more likely as she is an outspoken woman and would shatter dated sexist norms, allowing us to leave the island a better place, like has been the pattern for 1000 chapters.
This isn't a reason to suggest why Yamato won't be in a position of authority, it is instead actually a reason why it would be even more likely as she is an outspoken woman and would shatter dated sexist norms, allowing us to leave the island a better place, like has been the pattern for 1000 chapters.
Not passing the hate to the children and not holding someone accountable over the sins of other people was the main message of fishman island. Hell both Orohi and Kanjuro got persecuted because of what their ancestors did and it clearly wasn't portrayed as a good thing (Kanjuro actually became an emotionless tool after losing his parents due to the persecutions). Not arguing in favor of Yamato becoming shogun/whatever since it isn't her current goal and it's pure speculation but I don't think her having a role involving Wano (for example becoming the guardian) should immediately be dismissed.
Oda doesn't do stuff without reason (I remember how some people totally refuted the cake theory despite some hints like Big Mom hunger sickness). The fact that two Wano antagonists were being persecuted by Wano citizens due to their lineage make me believe that someone tied to either Kurozumi or Kaido will end up working with Momo and accepted by the citizens to clearly show that the mistakes of the past are over. My first theory was that Tama will be revealed to be Orochi's bastard child (due to their similar haircolor) but now that Kaido got a kid, I'm open to other possibilities. Maybe even both, who knows lol.
Oda doesn't do stuff without reason (I remember how some people totally refuted the cake theory despite some hints like Big Mom hunger sickness). The fact that two Wano antagonists were being persecuted by Wano citizens due to their lineage make me believe that someone tied to either Kurozumi or Kaido will end up working with Momo and accepted by the citizens to clearly show that the mistakes of the past are over. My first theory was that Tama will be revealed to be Orochi's bastard child (due to their similar haircolor) but now that Kaido got a kid, I'm open to other possibilities. Maybe even both, who knows lol.
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The thing I am afraid of is that Yamato might be knowing “a bit too much”. She has the diary of Oden, a person who has travelled with Roger Pirates and saw Laugh Tale, and she apparently read all of it previously. We don’t know how much information the diary contains about Void Century or the last island. If Oden did not keep detailed information about those facts, it is no problem. However, the other scenario might make Robin far far less useful due to containing every single hidden detail that needs to be uncovered through Robin’s knowledge of the ancient language.
One more thing to add is that one of the main messages of the manga is to learn as the crew keeps travelling (remember Usopp Luffy scene at Sabaody Arc?). Her existence on the ship violates that principle if she already knows everything beforehand.
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One more thing to add is that one of the main messages of the manga is to learn as the crew keeps travelling (remember Usopp Luffy scene at Sabaody Arc?). Her existence on the ship violates that principle if she already knows everything beforehand.
Exactly. In a story like One Piece, it's very unlikely we're going to leave Wano with it still being a sexist place. This is what Kin emon said:
This isn't a reason to suggest why Yamato won't be in a position of authority, it is instead actually a reason why it would be even more likely as she is an outspoken woman and would shatter dated sexist norms, allowing us to leave the island a better place, like has been the pattern for 1000 chapters.
This isn't a reason to suggest why Yamato won't be in a position of authority, it is instead actually a reason why it would be even more likely as she is an outspoken woman and would shatter dated sexist norms, allowing us to leave the island a better place, like has been the pattern for 1000 chapters.
There’s no issue with sexism in Wano. If you’re talking about oda writes females. It happened in many arcs. So that won’t be addressed and it really doesn’t even need to be addressed.
Also you have YET to give any evidence as to why Yamato would get ANY position governing Wano OVER people who are ALREADY close to Momo like scabbards and sister.
Also you have YET to give any evidence as to why Yamato would get ANY position governing Wano OVER people who are ALREADY close to Momo like scabbards and sister.
Just name any other character aside Kiku (act like a guy) or Shinobu (ninja or probaly to young at that time to be scarbad). Any other arc yes no sexism or gender discrimination. In wano country they have that mentally. Just in wano. Maybe that one of the reason Oden want to open wano since he sail outside wano. Right now woman in wano portray as oiran, geisha etc
Her introduction definitely resonated with me as someone who’s wanting to persevere beyond her troubled past, travel throughout the world, and be willing to risk her life for those she cares about. She shares the dream with Oden of wanting to open Wano’s borders, similar to how Sanji shared the dream with Zeff of finding All Blue, though I suppose her still having that dream depends on whether or not Luffy ends up helping open the borders by the end of the Wano Country arc.
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My point was that precisely because Yamato is the child of the guy responsible for all of this is why I feel Yamato needs to be in a position of authority in order to send a message.
There would be no Orochi nor a Kanjuro if not for the people of Wano being dicks.
"You will reap what you've sown!!"
That was the root of the issue relating to the Kurozumis. IMO it's hardly enough to just go, "Yeah, you're alright actually. You're not that bad even though you're the daughter of Kaido". Wano citizens weren't just calling those with the bloodline of criminals mean names, they were hunting them down and slaughtering them, which inevitably led to an extreme resentment. That's a huge part of what caused the downfall of Wano, and it can't just be brushed aside. The most obvious manner in which the Wano citizens can redeem themselves is by accepting Yamato, daughter of Kaido, in a position of authority. That would be proof that their words of acceptance aren't just empty and evidence to suggest that there won't be another family shunned from society that's plotting in the sidelines for their revenge after the alliance leaves.
Saying, "the people of Wano wouldn't want to accept her" is exactly the issue. Of course they wouldn't, but the point is that they're going to have to if they want to prevent history from repeating itself. And prove it too. FMI citizens didn't just claim they accepted the inhabitants of the fishman district, they agreed to live among them. Dressrosa citizens didn't just state they supported tonttatas, they began to coexist with them. The same with the Shandians and Skypeians. There's always proof that things have changed.
I personally don't find the Yamato/Oden parallel to be strong at all. Yamato is to Oden what Weevil is to Whitebeard. When talking about Oden's successors first you've got the 8 scabbards + Izo + Shinobu. Then you've got Momo and Hiyori. And then you've got Zoro, followed by Luffy. So Yamato rocks up as the 15th inheritor of Oden. That's hardly anything to write home about. Heck, I'd even argue that Carrot's more Oden than Yamato is. Her whole Oden cosplay is something she'll likely grow out of since, just like Momo's journey of self-discovery led him to accept his name, Yamato's is likely also gonna lead her down a similar path. That's also another reason why I thought her position as shogun would make sense, since Oden never wanted to be shogun.
I agree with Morj on that.
Oda absolutely hates being predictable. In his first few years with the east blue straw hats, he was extremely straightforward, but after they joined the grandline Oda tried to make each recruitment story a bit more surprising. Like how he framed things to make it look like Kureha was going to join at first, even having Luffy invite her, only to then immediately start pushing for Chopper. How he made it extremely likely that Vivi would join, only to do a complete surprise twist with Robin. How Oda admitted in interviews to trying to confuse readers into thinking other characters (such as Paulie) would join during W7, only for the early antagonist Franky to join. Then the very act of Brook joining immediately in the chapter he was introduced is a crazy twist in itself. And finally with Jinbe, who wasn't obvious, and then was obvious, and then Oda dropped death flag after death flag to try and and add some doubt to make his survival and joining all the more surprising and exciting.
Yamato's being pushed with the idea of joining immediately, but not in the same fashion as Brook. Brook's was done in the very moment we first saw him. The idea for Yamato was introduced but not given an answer. Since she didn't join in the very moment, the situation changed from a surprise "recruitment on sight" to instead everyone thinking that this character will join at some point down the line, which totally takes away the surprise. That's why it can be expected to subvert her recruitment with something else. Taking Carrot for example, if she were to join, although it would be fitting and make sense, it would still be surprising to the general reader, since it's not an idea Oda has completely transparently introduced in the manner that he did with Yamato.
There would be no Orochi nor a Kanjuro if not for the people of Wano being dicks.
That was the root of the issue relating to the Kurozumis. IMO it's hardly enough to just go, "Yeah, you're alright actually. You're not that bad even though you're the daughter of Kaido". Wano citizens weren't just calling those with the bloodline of criminals mean names, they were hunting them down and slaughtering them, which inevitably led to an extreme resentment. That's a huge part of what caused the downfall of Wano, and it can't just be brushed aside. The most obvious manner in which the Wano citizens can redeem themselves is by accepting Yamato, daughter of Kaido, in a position of authority. That would be proof that their words of acceptance aren't just empty and evidence to suggest that there won't be another family shunned from society that's plotting in the sidelines for their revenge after the alliance leaves.
Saying, "the people of Wano wouldn't want to accept her" is exactly the issue. Of course they wouldn't, but the point is that they're going to have to if they want to prevent history from repeating itself. And prove it too. FMI citizens didn't just claim they accepted the inhabitants of the fishman district, they agreed to live among them. Dressrosa citizens didn't just state they supported tonttatas, they began to coexist with them. The same with the Shandians and Skypeians. There's always proof that things have changed.
I personally don't find the Yamato/Oden parallel to be strong at all. Yamato is to Oden what Weevil is to Whitebeard. When talking about Oden's successors first you've got the 8 scabbards + Izo + Shinobu. Then you've got Momo and Hiyori. And then you've got Zoro, followed by Luffy. So Yamato rocks up as the 15th inheritor of Oden. That's hardly anything to write home about. Heck, I'd even argue that Carrot's more Oden than Yamato is. Her whole Oden cosplay is something she'll likely grow out of since, just like Momo's journey of self-discovery led him to accept his name, Yamato's is likely also gonna lead her down a similar path. That's also another reason why I thought her position as shogun would make sense, since Oden never wanted to be shogun.
I agree with Morj on that.
Oda absolutely hates being predictable. In his first few years with the east blue straw hats, he was extremely straightforward, but after they joined the grandline Oda tried to make each recruitment story a bit more surprising. Like how he framed things to make it look like Kureha was going to join at first, even having Luffy invite her, only to then immediately start pushing for Chopper. How he made it extremely likely that Vivi would join, only to do a complete surprise twist with Robin. How Oda admitted in interviews to trying to confuse readers into thinking other characters (such as Paulie) would join during W7, only for the early antagonist Franky to join. Then the very act of Brook joining immediately in the chapter he was introduced is a crazy twist in itself. And finally with Jinbe, who wasn't obvious, and then was obvious, and then Oda dropped death flag after death flag to try and and add some doubt to make his survival and joining all the more surprising and exciting.
Yamato's being pushed with the idea of joining immediately, but not in the same fashion as Brook. Brook's was done in the very moment we first saw him. The idea for Yamato was introduced but not given an answer. Since she didn't join in the very moment, the situation changed from a surprise "recruitment on sight" to instead everyone thinking that this character will join at some point down the line, which totally takes away the surprise. That's why it can be expected to subvert her recruitment with something else. Taking Carrot for example, if she were to join, although it would be fitting and make sense, it would still be surprising to the general reader, since it's not an idea Oda has completely transparently introduced in the manner that he did with Yamato.
My point was that precisely because Yamato is the child of the guy responsible for all of this is why I feel Yamato needs to be in a position of authority in order to send a message.
There would be no Orochi nor a Kanjuro if not for the people of Wano being dicks.
"You will reap what you've sown!!"
That was the root of the issue relating to the Kurozumis. IMO it's hardly enough to just go, "Yeah, you're alright actually. You're not that bad even though you're the daughter of Kaido". Wano citizens weren't just calling those with the bloodline of criminals mean names, they were hunting them down and slaughtering them, which inevitably led to an extreme resentment. That's a huge part of what caused the downfall of Wano, and it can't just be brushed aside. The most obvious manner in which the Wano citizens can redeem themselves is by accepting Yamato, daughter of Kaido, in a position of authority. That would be proof that their words of acceptance aren't just empty and evidence to suggest that there won't be another family shunned from society that's plotting in the sidelines for their revenge after the alliance leaves.
Saying, "the people of Wano wouldn't want to accept her" is exactly the issue. Of course they wouldn't, but the point is that they're going to have to if they want to prevent history from repeating itself. And prove it too. FMI citizens didn't just claim they accepted the inhabitants of the fishman district, they agreed to live among them. Dressrosa citizens didn't just state they supported tonttatas, they began to coexist with them. The same with the Shandians and Skypeians. There's always proof that things have changed.
I personally don't find the Yamato/Oden parallel to be strong at all. Yamato is to Oden what Weevil is to Whitebeard. When talking about Oden's successors first you've got the 8 scabbards + Izo + Shinobu. Then you've got Momo and Hiyori. And then you've got Zoro, followed by Luffy. So Yamato rocks up as the 15th inheritor of Oden. That's hardly anything to write home about. Heck, I'd even argue that Carrot's more Oden than Yamato is. Her whole Oden cosplay is something she'll likely grow out of since, just like Momo's journey of self-discovery led him to accept his name, Yamato's is likely also gonna lead her down a similar path. That's also another reason why I thought her position as shogun would make sense, since Oden never wanted to be shogun.
I agree with Morj on that.
Oda absolutely hates being predictable. In his first few years with the east blue straw hats, he was extremely straightforward, but after they joined the grandline Oda tried to make each recruitment story a bit more surprising. Like how he framed things to make it look like Kureha was going to join at first, even having Luffy invite her, only to then immediately start pushing for Chopper. How he made it extremely likely that Vivi would join, only to do a complete surprise twist with Robin. How Oda admitted in interviews to trying to confuse readers into thinking other characters (such as Paulie) would join during W7, only for the early antagonist Franky to join. Then the very act of Brook joining immediately in the chapter he was introduced is a crazy twist in itself. And finally with Jinbe, who wasn't obvious, and then was obvious, and then Oda dropped death flag after death flag to try and and add some doubt to make his survival and joining all the more surprising and exciting.
Yamato's being pushed with the idea of joining immediately, but not in the same fashion as Brook. Brook's was done in the very moment we first saw him. The idea for Yamato was introduced but not given an answer. Since she didn't join in the very moment, the situation changed from a surprise "recruitment on sight" to instead everyone thinking that this character will join at some point down the line, which totally takes away the surprise. That's why it can be expected to subvert her recruitment with something else. Taking Carrot for example, if she were to join, although it would be fitting and make sense, it would still be surprising to the general reader, since it's not an idea Oda has completely transparently introduced in the manner that he did with Yamato.
There would be no Orochi nor a Kanjuro if not for the people of Wano being dicks.
That was the root of the issue relating to the Kurozumis. IMO it's hardly enough to just go, "Yeah, you're alright actually. You're not that bad even though you're the daughter of Kaido". Wano citizens weren't just calling those with the bloodline of criminals mean names, they were hunting them down and slaughtering them, which inevitably led to an extreme resentment. That's a huge part of what caused the downfall of Wano, and it can't just be brushed aside. The most obvious manner in which the Wano citizens can redeem themselves is by accepting Yamato, daughter of Kaido, in a position of authority. That would be proof that their words of acceptance aren't just empty and evidence to suggest that there won't be another family shunned from society that's plotting in the sidelines for their revenge after the alliance leaves.
Saying, "the people of Wano wouldn't want to accept her" is exactly the issue. Of course they wouldn't, but the point is that they're going to have to if they want to prevent history from repeating itself. And prove it too. FMI citizens didn't just claim they accepted the inhabitants of the fishman district, they agreed to live among them. Dressrosa citizens didn't just state they supported tonttatas, they began to coexist with them. The same with the Shandians and Skypeians. There's always proof that things have changed.
I personally don't find the Yamato/Oden parallel to be strong at all. Yamato is to Oden what Weevil is to Whitebeard. When talking about Oden's successors first you've got the 8 scabbards + Izo + Shinobu. Then you've got Momo and Hiyori. And then you've got Zoro, followed by Luffy. So Yamato rocks up as the 15th inheritor of Oden. That's hardly anything to write home about. Heck, I'd even argue that Carrot's more Oden than Yamato is. Her whole Oden cosplay is something she'll likely grow out of since, just like Momo's journey of self-discovery led him to accept his name, Yamato's is likely also gonna lead her down a similar path. That's also another reason why I thought her position as shogun would make sense, since Oden never wanted to be shogun.
I agree with Morj on that.
Oda absolutely hates being predictable. In his first few years with the east blue straw hats, he was extremely straightforward, but after they joined the grandline Oda tried to make each recruitment story a bit more surprising. Like how he framed things to make it look like Kureha was going to join at first, even having Luffy invite her, only to then immediately start pushing for Chopper. How he made it extremely likely that Vivi would join, only to do a complete surprise twist with Robin. How Oda admitted in interviews to trying to confuse readers into thinking other characters (such as Paulie) would join during W7, only for the early antagonist Franky to join. Then the very act of Brook joining immediately in the chapter he was introduced is a crazy twist in itself. And finally with Jinbe, who wasn't obvious, and then was obvious, and then Oda dropped death flag after death flag to try and and add some doubt to make his survival and joining all the more surprising and exciting.
Yamato's being pushed with the idea of joining immediately, but not in the same fashion as Brook. Brook's was done in the very moment we first saw him. The idea for Yamato was introduced but not given an answer. Since she didn't join in the very moment, the situation changed from a surprise "recruitment on sight" to instead everyone thinking that this character will join at some point down the line, which totally takes away the surprise. That's why it can be expected to subvert her recruitment with something else. Taking Carrot for example, if she were to join, although it would be fitting and make sense, it would still be surprising to the general reader, since it's not an idea Oda has completely transparently introduced in the manner that he did with Yamato.
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