General & Others Next Strawhat Crew Members and the Grand Fleet
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I kinda agree to this. I really dont get where this is coming from. I can only see Yamato leaving Wano in whatever ways, wherever it will be, bettering herself in whatever possible means, to finally prove herself or win citizens of Wano’s respect, if that is even implied or necessary, whatever her goals are, but not in Wano.
Considering how Luffy defines Oden, the theory that Yamato may become a figurehead in Wano to end heritage prejudice might not be far-fetched.
There is a potential scenario for this. For example, like suggested, Momo makes Yamato the Shogun of Wano, which both works to end the hatred towards Kaido's lineage and gives enough time for Momo to create an identity for himself and escape the shadow of admiration created by his father. He can do this by becoming the daimyo of Kuri, kinda like what Oden did and make a name for himself, have his own vassals like Tama and Toko, and work towards restoring the country. In that way, Momo's respect is earned and not given, so when he becomes the Shogun, he is fully recognized not just as the the son of Kozuki Oden, but as Kozuki Momonosuke, the daimyo of Wano. Yamato can become what Oden couldn't be when his country needed him the most and help open Wano's borders since that is her dream as well and in that vein, earn everyone's respect and love.
The other scenario is basically the same as above, just swap the positions of Yamato and Momonosuke. Momo becomes the Shogun and Yamato earns the love and respect from the citizens by becoming the daimyo of Kuri and helping it recover and thrive.
With that said, I think we need more info on Yamato. Her Oden obsession needs to dropped at some point so she can be her own character.
There is a potential scenario for this. For example, like suggested, Momo makes Yamato the Shogun of Wano, which both works to end the hatred towards Kaido's lineage and gives enough time for Momo to create an identity for himself and escape the shadow of admiration created by his father. He can do this by becoming the daimyo of Kuri, kinda like what Oden did and make a name for himself, have his own vassals like Tama and Toko, and work towards restoring the country. In that way, Momo's respect is earned and not given, so when he becomes the Shogun, he is fully recognized not just as the the son of Kozuki Oden, but as Kozuki Momonosuke, the daimyo of Wano. Yamato can become what Oden couldn't be when his country needed him the most and help open Wano's borders since that is her dream as well and in that vein, earn everyone's respect and love.
The other scenario is basically the same as above, just swap the positions of Yamato and Momonosuke. Momo becomes the Shogun and Yamato earns the love and respect from the citizens by becoming the daimyo of Kuri and helping it recover and thrive.
With that said, I think we need more info on Yamato. Her Oden obsession needs to dropped at some point so she can be her own character.
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Considering how Luffy defines Oden, the theory that Yamato may become a figurehead in Wano to end heritage prejudice might not be far-fetched.
There is a potential scenario for this. For example, like suggested, Momo makes Yamato the Shogun of Wano, which both works to end the hatred towards Kaido's lineage and gives enough time for Momo to create an identity for himself and escape the shadow of admiration created by his father. He can do this by becoming the daimyo of Kuri, kinda like what Oden did and make a name for himself, have his own vassals like Tama and Toko, and work towards restoring the country. In that way, Momo's respect is earned and not given, so when he becomes the Shogun, he is fully recognized not just as the the son of Kozuki Oden, but as Kozuki Momonosuke, the daimyo of Wano. Yamato can become what Oden couldn't be when his country needed him the most and help open Wano's borders since that is her dream as well and in that vein, earn everyone's respect and love.
The other scenario is basically the same as above, just swap the positions of Yamato and Momonosuke. Momo becomes the Shogun and Yamato earns the love and respect from the citizens by becoming the daimyo of Kuri and helping it recover and thrive.
With that said, I think we need more info on Yamato. Her Oden obsession needs to dropped at some point so she can be her own character.
There is a potential scenario for this. For example, like suggested, Momo makes Yamato the Shogun of Wano, which both works to end the hatred towards Kaido's lineage and gives enough time for Momo to create an identity for himself and escape the shadow of admiration created by his father. He can do this by becoming the daimyo of Kuri, kinda like what Oden did and make a name for himself, have his own vassals like Tama and Toko, and work towards restoring the country. In that way, Momo's respect is earned and not given, so when he becomes the Shogun, he is fully recognized not just as the the son of Kozuki Oden, but as Kozuki Momonosuke, the daimyo of Wano. Yamato can become what Oden couldn't be when his country needed him the most and help open Wano's borders since that is her dream as well and in that vein, earn everyone's respect and love.
The other scenario is basically the same as above, just swap the positions of Yamato and Momonosuke. Momo becomes the Shogun and Yamato earns the love and respect from the citizens by becoming the daimyo of Kuri and helping it recover and thrive.
With that said, I think we need more info on Yamato. Her Oden obsession needs to dropped at some point so she can be her own character.
Well I dont mind Tama join. The way OP already near Eos, there should be big war with world government due to Vivi and Sabo incident. If Tams can join the fight using tame beast why should'nt. Beast tamer is also one of fighting style. We can see Vivi try with her stupid duck. I think Shanks has one crew fighting with monkey. Maybe tama can fight with Panda like in the Tekken game series. It really hard to add another nakama cause the story near ending.
Yamato is going away with the Strawhats at the end of the arc, regardless of whether she's in the crew or not. Absolutely no chance she's a Shogun figure. This is One Piece- when a character expresses a desire of escaping from metaphorical and in this case literal chains to go on an adventure, they get to do it. Not get stuck in a role they don't want.
Yes, there should be restitution over the people of Wano treating the Kurozumi's like dirt and contributing towards Orochi and Kanjuro. Yamato-as-regent doesn't answer that in the slightest. She's not, barring some shock revelation about her mother, a Kurozumi. She has nothing to do with how they were treated. I doubt the people of Wano even know who she is.
The sexism angle- I don't think Oda treats that seriously. It's not a real plotpoint. It's a joke based on Kin being an old fashioned guy that's actually just trying to hide the fact he's a total pervert. If it is something to be answered, it will be done by Hiyori, Tama, Shinobu, Toko et al, all women from the mainland- who don't call themselves men due to obsessions with Oden.
Yes, there should be restitution over the people of Wano treating the Kurozumi's like dirt and contributing towards Orochi and Kanjuro. Yamato-as-regent doesn't answer that in the slightest. She's not, barring some shock revelation about her mother, a Kurozumi. She has nothing to do with how they were treated. I doubt the people of Wano even know who she is.
The sexism angle- I don't think Oda treats that seriously. It's not a real plotpoint. It's a joke based on Kin being an old fashioned guy that's actually just trying to hide the fact he's a total pervert. If it is something to be answered, it will be done by Hiyori, Tama, Shinobu, Toko et al, all women from the mainland- who don't call themselves men due to obsessions with Oden.
Yamato never said she wanted to go on an adventure. She said she wants to sail on the straw hat's ship, not because she wants to pursue something, but because in her head, since she's Kozuki Oden, it only makes sense for her to travel with Luffy. This isn't a genuine desire, it's something that arises from backwards thinking and is completely tied to her Oden impersonation. Take away the impersonation and there goes her need to feel she has to travel with the crew. She's not like Carrot who actively seeks adventure itself, and she's not like Oden who sought the same thing. She merely wants to live out a fantasy she doesn't understand.
-Speaking as Kozuki Oden, I'm a man
-Speaking as Kozuki Oden, I am Momo's father
-Speaking as Kozuki Oden, you should be giving me a ride on your ship
She's merely read his life story and has literally imprinted everything that happened to him, onto herself. Making both her past and her present the same as Oden's. Which is stupid of course.
She's been stuck on Onigashima for 20 years. Exploring the vastly different climates found in different regions of mainland Wano should be ample adventure for someone whose ambition is as weakly founded as hers is.
You're totally missing the point. Yamato's not a Kurozumi, but she is the daughter of Kaido. The kurozumi's were hunted because they were the family that killed a daimyo. Kaido also killed a daimyo. Oden nonetheless, a universally loved figure in Wano. Kaido's bloodline, (considering the precedent set with the Kurozumi's) would naturally be expected to face similar persecution.
The entire point is that Wano citizens were the ones that created the Orochi and Kanjuro problem out of their own spite.
Hence there needs to be a situation that proves that the citizens have changed. That they won't persecute innocent people again simply due to their bloodline. And that's why Yamato, being an ally, despite also being the daughter of Kaido, would be a logical route to explore that development. Evidence that they won't persecute Yamato and proof that she won't be the next Kurozumi Orochi, born out of the malice of Wano citizens. The best way to express that is by having Yamato live alongside them, showing their union with and acceptance of her, despite her bloodline.
Why? Yamato's the one in which her gender is actually a point of interest in her character. With the potential for her storyline to be to discover who she is and that she's not Oden, you don't think the fact that she's actually a woman that's deluding herself will have any significance?
And no, sexism isn't just a Kin emon gag. Quite obviously with Wano being inspired by feudal Japan in which women were generally seen as less important than men it makes sense that there are similar issues in Wano. Kin emon's not just randomly old fashioned. He's old fashioned because he comes from a country with dated customs. The idea of Wano being a nation lost in time is pretty clear. They're literally fighting dinosaurs, lol. The idea was even reintroduced with Kiku, a biological man, with the heart of a woman that thinks as a result of that she is to be protected and looked after by men, despite the fact she's fully capable of handling herself.
-Speaking as Kozuki Oden, I'm a man
-Speaking as Kozuki Oden, I am Momo's father
-Speaking as Kozuki Oden, you should be giving me a ride on your ship
She's merely read his life story and has literally imprinted everything that happened to him, onto herself. Making both her past and her present the same as Oden's. Which is stupid of course.
She's been stuck on Onigashima for 20 years. Exploring the vastly different climates found in different regions of mainland Wano should be ample adventure for someone whose ambition is as weakly founded as hers is.
You're totally missing the point. Yamato's not a Kurozumi, but she is the daughter of Kaido. The kurozumi's were hunted because they were the family that killed a daimyo. Kaido also killed a daimyo. Oden nonetheless, a universally loved figure in Wano. Kaido's bloodline, (considering the precedent set with the Kurozumi's) would naturally be expected to face similar persecution.
The entire point is that Wano citizens were the ones that created the Orochi and Kanjuro problem out of their own spite.
Why? Yamato's the one in which her gender is actually a point of interest in her character. With the potential for her storyline to be to discover who she is and that she's not Oden, you don't think the fact that she's actually a woman that's deluding herself will have any significance?
And no, sexism isn't just a Kin emon gag. Quite obviously with Wano being inspired by feudal Japan in which women were generally seen as less important than men it makes sense that there are similar issues in Wano. Kin emon's not just randomly old fashioned. He's old fashioned because he comes from a country with dated customs. The idea of Wano being a nation lost in time is pretty clear. They're literally fighting dinosaurs, lol. The idea was even reintroduced with Kiku, a biological man, with the heart of a woman that thinks as a result of that she is to be protected and looked after by men, despite the fact she's fully capable of handling herself.
A guide is a cheap way to reach to Laugh Tale. If diary contains that much information about the last island and Void Century, it is better that Yamato does not join as Luffy does not want to know what lies at the end of the story until he discovers it with his crew.
I want Yamato to join, but I don’t want her to exist in the ship like “oh, Oden wrote this inside the diary. I already knew this.” If the diary contains insignificant amount of information, I am down with her joining the crew. Otherwise, I just cannot see the possibility.
I want Yamato to join, but I don’t want her to exist in the ship like “oh, Oden wrote this inside the diary. I already knew this.” If the diary contains insignificant amount of information, I am down with her joining the crew. Otherwise, I just cannot see the possibility.
I feel like the girls on the crew is doing supportive work in guiding the crew.
Nami - navigate the ship using map and log pose
Robin - dechipering red poneglyph to know where raftel is
Following that, what if the 11th crew (a girl) is also the key on reaching raftel?
Nami - navigate the ship using map and log pose
Robin - dechipering red poneglyph to know where raftel is
Following that, what if the 11th crew (a girl) is also the key on reaching raftel?
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We already had zeffs log early in the series so we probably won't be using it. But not sure why oda even bring it in the story. Only thing which I can think of is to inspire Yamato, the books or its content itself may not be used at all.
I mean, it’s not like Luffy actively avoids those who know about the One Piece and Laugh Tale in general. He trained with Rayleigh for over a year after all, which I’m pretty sure is meant to tell us that Luffy trusted him enough to not casually say anything about that. Rayleigh doesn’t seem like the type to casually be blabbing about the One Piece in general, so I’m pretty sure if Yamato does end up joining, and that the diary factors in, she could hold herself back enough to simply not say anything about it to Luffy out of trust. Oda could easily have the diary end up lacking in specific details anyway, so I’m pretty sure we have nothing to worry about in that case.
The issue is not her holding herself back though. Strawhats are a crew that learn and move forward as the story continues. She may hold herself or not, issue is her knowing already everything, meaning that she, in a metaphorical way, never becomes “part of the adventure”. If diary lacks specific details though, I see no problem with her joining.
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