Questions & Mysteries “Ryuma slayed niddhog/God of war” theory officially debunked

[TheD.]

With the God of war lore being explored and Lokis devil fruit being a dragon, many Zoro fans or just readers alike have decided to theorize the that Lokis past ancestor was the dragon Ryuma slayed in the capital which I honestly don’t blame them for that it would explain onigahsimas skull for example however……

there are too many problems and fallacy with this theory
For one the timelines would be thousand of years off.

We know that the God of war was definitely a being that existed in the first world which is tens of thousands of years long ago

This perfectly matches with what Loki said about his mythology/religion as we do know that him and hajrudin worship or follow a deity of war (most likely their own ancestor like rocks and Davy jones relationship )

Next we have to go find Ryumas timeline which was after the void century confirmed that he was buried in new wano (a time period before the void century as old wano was during void century times)

Now even if Ryuma was indeed from the void century it still would not line up.

And ontop of that Imu not knowing where niddhog was kinda tells us that even to Imu niddhog was an ancient legend.

Lastly the dragon ryuma slayed could’ve been a high ranking celestial dragon with a dragon devil fruit we already know the world government was in access of kaidos devil fruit and there are multiple dragon fruits out there in the world. Ryuma slaying a dragon holy knight or immortal that imu or the wg tried to send to take over wano would be a Very impressive feat. Worthy of calling him god of the blade still.

This could all be debunked for all I know but given the evidence Ryuma slaying Lokis last devil fruit user seems very unlikely to even impossible.
@Dragon777 @Elder Lee Hung @Sentinel @ZenZu @Tyki_Mikk @MonochromeYoru @soupongo @Loki D. Terror @SakazOuki @kekaro

 

[MonochromeYoru]

yeah it was always a retarded "theory"

just yet another zkk remix the temple whipped up because they think this is zoropiece

 

[TheD.]

yeah it was always a retarded "theory"

just yet another zkk remix the temple whipped up because they think this is zoropiece

It would be funny if the “dragon” was really just a term meant for a celestial dragon or a past holy knight.

 

[kekaro]

You can't debunk something which never existed beside in the mind of scholars, good effort tho

 

[Dragon777]

With the God of war lore being explored and Lokis devil fruit being a dragon, many Zoro fans or just readers alike have decided to theorize the that Lokis past ancestor was the dragon Ryuma slayed in the capital which I honestly don’t blame them for that it would explain onigahsimas skull for example however……

there are too many problems and fallacy with this theory
For one the timelines would be thousand of years off.

We know that the God of war was definitely a being that existed in the first world which is tens of thousands of years long ago

This perfectly matches with what Loki said about his mythology/religion as we do know that him and hajrudin worship or follow a deity of war (most likely their own ancestor like rocks and Davy jones relationship )

Next we have to go find Ryumas timeline which was after the void century confirmed that he was buried in new wano (a time period before the void century as old wano was during void century times)

Now even if Ryuma was indeed from the void century it still would not line up.

And ontop of that Imu not knowing where niddhog was kinda tells us that even to Imu niddhog was an ancient legend.

Lastly the dragon ryuma slayed could’ve been a high ranking celestial dragon with a dragon devil fruit we already know the world government was in access of kaidos devil fruit and there are multiple dragon fruits out there in the world. Ryuma slaying a dragon holy knight or immortal that imu or the wg tried to send to take over wano would be a Very impressive feat. Worthy of calling him god of the blade still.

This could all be debunked for all I know but given the evidence Ryuma slaying Lokis last devil fruit user seems very unlikely to even impossible.
@Dragon777 @Elder Lee Hung @Sentinel @ZenZu @Tyki_Mikk @MonochromeYoru @soupongo @Loki D. Terror @SakazOuki @kekaro

Not much to say if not that I totally agree based on what we know now.

Here the major proofs for Ryuma not being let alone from the first world (likely thousands of years ago), but just even from the Void century: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1rgdhaj

 

[nik87]

Oda can retcon Ryuma's timeline.
Or he can use his ancestor as slayer of war god.
Shimotsuki spread is already hinting at this.
Flames, dragon and red-haired Shimotsuki from, probably, 1st world.

 

[D. Plant]

Not much to say if not that I totally agree based on what we know now.

Here the major proofs for Ryuma not being let alone from the first world (likely thousands of years ago), but just even from the Void century: https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1rgdhaj

He died at the age of 47 and buried on the new Wano. There still a chance he was around the end of void century.

 

[Dragon777]

He died at the age of 47 and buried on the new Wano. There still a chance he was around the end of void century.

There is, but the problem is that the Wano we know was built after the Void century and Ryuma not only was born in the new Wano, but also defended the flower capital.
Even discounting the magazine's date, we should be talking about at least some time after the Void Century, like 100 years or so.

Also, I struggle to think the golden period of Wano could have been just after the Void Century.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Zolo fans are just desperate for someone associated with Zolo to get a single W, they’ve been doing this for years now lmfao. This is what it looks like when Oda doesn’t care about your favorite, you start hallucinating about Zolo killing Kaido, Mihawk killing an Admiral, Ryuma slaying Nidhoggr, etc…it’s just classic sword swallower desperation. To the Zolo fan, any hallucination is better than just accepting that Zolo is nothing more than a Sanji rival who is no longer relevant to the plot since Lolda stopped caring about the Straw Hats a long time ago.

 

[kekaro]

My retarded cope is correct cause oda can retcon is a certified WG hoodclassic IMO @Elder Lee Hung

 

[comrade]

Zolo fans are just desperate for someone associated with Zolo to get a single W, they’ve been doing this for years now lmfao. This is what it looks like when Oda doesn’t care about your favorite, you start hallucinating about Zolo killing Kaido, Mihawk killing an Admiral, Ryuma slaying Nidhoggr, etc…it’s just classic sword swallower desperation. To the Zolo fan, any hallucination is better than just accepting that Zolo is nothing more than a Sanji rival who is no longer relevant to the plot since Lolda stopped caring about the Straw Hats a long time ago.

The moment Gigabull was a confirmed black blade user, their agenda started to crumble. They now have to leech on whatever they can.

 

[D. Plant]

There is, but the problem is that the Wano we know was built after the Void century and Ryuma not only was born in the new Wano, but also defended the flower capital.
Even discounting the magazine's date, we should be talking about at least some time after the Void Century, like 100 years or so.

Also, I struggle to think the golden period of Wano could have been just after the Void Century.

It's confusing because we have two type of dragons, for me seems like western dragon being killed by Ryuma makes more sense here as the vikings are raiders, they wanted those golds, but whatever dragon hints that were given looks nothing like the horns from God of War Elbaph.

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

There is, but the problem is that the Wano we know was built after the Void century and Ryuma not only was born in the new Wano, but also defended the flower capital.
Even discounting the magazine's date, we should be talking about at least some time after the Void Century, like 100 years or so.

Also, I struggle to think the golden period of Wano could have been just after the Void Century.

this whole thing can be easily debunked by the fact that they build a new capital after they old one flooded, Ryuma being part of new Wano makes 0 sense, he was there when the borders were open aka old wano. trying to argue when he was active is pointless we have exactly 0 infos about anything

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

Zolo fans are just desperate for someone associated with Zolo to get a single W, they’ve been doing this for years now lmfao. This is what it looks like when Oda doesn’t care about your favorite, you start hallucinating about Zolo killing Kaido, Mihawk killing an Admiral, Ryuma slaying Nidhoggr, etc…it’s just classic sword swallower desperation. To the Zolo fan, any hallucination is better than just accepting that Zolo is nothing more than a Sanji rival who is no longer relevant to the plot since Lolda stopped caring about the Straw Hats a long time ago.

that the Dragon was not a normal Dragon should be obvious, when its not Niddhog its something else special. you say sword swallowers like Oda did not hype Ryuma beyond anything

 

[Gintoki]

zolocucks just can't catch a break

 

[Fn Lucci]

1. The biggest horned skull and a huge sword are found in Wano. Nidhoggr was an ancient Giant.

2. Elbaf, despite being a D, lived in the time where Giants were terrorizing the seas.

3. We haven't had ANY flashbacks showing that the dragon was the eastern azure type.

 

[Paragorn]

We know what's the intention behind this theory.

We saw the dragon and there was no similarity with Nidhogg, they just Dragon silhuoette and said "yeah, that's Nidhogg.....zoro upscale".

Zoro are so tendencious, they forge fake feats for their favs because they know their goats lack material and aren't relevant as they think they are.

Theories like that just confirm OP fandom are the worst theorists ever.

 

[Sentinel]

Elbaf's God of War lived in the 1st world and ever since his death, apparently nobody else could take this DF cuz Ragnir always protected it.

So yes, there's no way Ryuma killed the original user. He most likely lived in the 2nd world.

The dragon wasn't even said to be the largest when Ryuma beheaded it. Nidhogg is inspired by Ancalagon.

 

[Sentinel]

3. We haven't had ANY flashbacks showing that the dragon was the eastern azure type.

We havent's had ANY flashbacks showing that the dragon was the largest in fact...

 

[Fn Lucci]

We havent's had ANY flashbacks showing that the dragon was the largest in fact...

The fact that it wasn't called the largest doesn't actually mean that it was or wasn't. In the post you quoted, I didn't say that.

What I mentioned was the azure dragon. Seiryu in mythology is a guardian of the east. Wano's mythology holds Seiryu as a guardian, evidenced by the statue and whatnot. So the idea that it was Seiryu or an eastern styled dragon in general is a weird contradiction. I'm not counting Monsters because that's obviously not canon as-is, but for the record that also wasn't an eastern dragon.

When it comes to size, the only thing I mentioned was the massive horned skull and the sword. If there's another answer for the skull, I'd like to hear it from Oda.