Questions & Mysteries “Ryuma slayed niddhog/God of war” theory officially debunked

[TheD.]

There is one detail that you are missing here, Mono-chin...
The new Wano existed even during old Wano.
It just wasnt used as a place where most people lived because lower levels were habitable.
It doesnt exclude the possibility that Ryuma lived in Ringo even back then.
Just because Sun world isn't flooded, it doesnt mean nobody lives in Heaven world sorta thing, if you catch my drift...

No lik New wano did not exist during old wano

Old means old new=new

that logically is what old and new means……..

 

[Dragon777]

Also, I can understand why some want Ryuma to be retconned, because admittedly him being of ~ 400 years ago makes him irrelevant for the big plot... But so what?
His story Is good as is and he still defended Wano.

There are plenty of great and powerful characters who has nothing to do with the Major God business: Akainu, Mihawk, Shanks, etc.

 

[TheD.]

Oda can retcon Ryuma's timeline.
Or he can use his ancestor as slayer of war god.
Shimotsuki spread is already hinting at this.
Flames, dragon and red-haired Shimotsuki from, probably, 1st world.

Ridiculous cope lol

 

[kekaro]

No lik New wano did not exist during old wano

Old means old new=new

that logically is what old and new means……..

Oda retconned this in zoroscans

 

[kekaro]

He was literally proven wrong this chapter idiot

A japanese native lolo fan cant even translate accurelty anymore.
Surprised? No
Real
yes

 

[nik87]

Zoro fans really thought that Oda will feed War God to Ryuma for Zoro hype?

This is even worse than ZKK LOL

Kaido, and especially War God are relevant for One Piece. Ryuma is just an easter egg, Oda will never dehype Nika’s rival for fanservice LMFAO. Maybe if War God was already on his death bed, and 3 thousand years old…

Why does this reek of the same insecurity we had before the rooftop?
When are yall going to understand that every single powerhouse of this show is for sake of Zoro's hype?
Directly or indirectly but all strong individuals are a hype tools for the strongest character in the show.

No lik New wano did not exist during old wano

Old means old new=new

that logically is what old and new means……..

Good point, I forgot the detail that the new land widened around Mt Fuji...
...but still, Ryuma could have lived up there even in old Wano, I guess it just wouldnt be Ringo...

Ridiculous cope lol

What about it is cope?

 

[L57]

the fear

 

[MonochromeYoru]

There is one detail that you are missing here, Mono-chin...
The new Wano existed even during old Wano.
It just wasnt used as a place where most people lived because lower levels were habitable.
It doesnt exclude the possibility that Ryuma lived in Ringo even back then.
Just because Sun world isn't flooded, it doesnt mean nobody lives in Heaven world sorta thing, if you catch my drift...

No it didn't lol

once again, you go straight to hallucinating stuff when your headcanons are challenged

Spoiler

"the people had to abandon their flooded towns, And instead created new land on the side of the mountain"

The flood happened first and as a result, people moved up.

From what we know, at no point did both the old and new wano exist simultaneously.

New wano is way way way high up. From the illustrations in that page, it's clear that old wano had long since been underwater when new wano was created

 

[Sentinel]

No it didn't lol

once again, you go straight to hallucinating stuff when your headcanons are challenged

Spoiler

"the people had to abandon their flooded towns, And instead created new land on the side of the mountain"

The flood happened first and as a result, people moved up.

From what we know, at no point did both the old and new wano exist simultaneously.

New wano is way way way high up. From the illustrations in that page, it's clear that old wano had long since been underwater when new wano was created

Good job. Now it's completely debunked that Ryuma could have ever lived in the same era like the War God lol.

They learned nothing from ZKK...

 

[kekaro]

my man @MonochromeYoru cooked Lik harder than fish damn

 

[nik87]

No it didn't lol

once again, you go straight to hallucinating stuff when your headcanons are challenged

Spoiler

"the people had to abandon their flooded towns, And instead created new land on the side of the mountain"

The flood happened first and as a result, people moved up.

From what we know, at no point did both the old and new wano exist simultaneously.

New wano is way way way high up. From the illustrations in that page, it's clear that old wano had long since been underwater when new wano was created

I am not hallucinating whatsoever, Mono-chin.
I was already corrected by @TheD. as you can see 2 replies above yours.
I also pointed out that Mt Fuji always existed and someone may have lived up there even during old Wano and before the widening around Mt Fuji.

 

[Dragon777]

Good job. Now it's completely debunked that Ryuma could have ever lived in the same era like the War God lol.

They learned nothing from ZKK...

Not to mention War God was likely from the First world , thousand (?) years prior at least.

 

[kekaro]

Not to mention War God was likely from the First world , thousand (?) year prior at least.

Lets be real we entertain to laugh, no one takes the gilbastar tier character seriously

 

[nik87]

Not to mention War God was likely from the First world , thousand (?) year prior at least.

Ryuma could have lived back then too.
Toki's DF exists, you cannot lock anything down to specific era only.
In the end, War God had Loki's Dragon DF and a samurai may have chopped his head off.
Maybe it was Ryuma or Ryuma's ancestor, nobody can debunk anything yet.

 

[Dragon777]

Ryuma could have lived back then too.
Toki's DF exists, you cannot lock anything down to specific era only.
In the end, War God had Loki's Dragon DF and a samurai may have chopped his head off.
Maybe it was Ryuma or Ryuma's ancestor, nobody can debunk anything yet.

Though Ryuma was born in Ringo, and Toki's fruit only sends people forward, not backwards in time.

About ancestros yeah, we cannot say anything in general.

 

[comrade]

Ryuma could have lived back then too.
Toki's DF exists, you cannot lock anything down to specific era only.
In the end, War God had Loki's Dragon DF and a samurai may have chopped his head off.
Maybe it was Ryuma or Ryuma's ancestor, nobody can debunk anything yet.

Yes, everything is possible. Maybe Ryuma lived in the first Nika's and God of war's timeline, got his ass whooped and escaped to a future where he had no peers.

Debating what ifs is pointless though, as long as nothing even remotely is stated. There is a saying, that claims without any evidence can be dismissed without any evidence, and that the burden of proof is on those doing the claim.

 

[kekaro]

Maybe Toki used her powers to sent infinite black paint supply to a certain individual

Disprove it now or we need to discuss this! I am every smart

 

[Fn Lucci]

Also, I can understand why some want Ryuma to be retconned, because admittedly him being of ~ 400 years ago makes him irrelevant for the big plot... But so what?
His story Is good as is and he still defended Wano.

There are plenty of great and powerful characters who has nothing to do with the Major God business: Akainu, Mihawk, Shanks, etc.

What is this supposed to mean? That some readers want more for him than Oda does?

1. We are awaiting the lore of the black blade. We know that to some extent Oda has to deal with it because we'll have Zoro vs Mihawk. Wano's samurai were strong, and yet Ryuma was the god of the blade. There is something that set him apart and put his blade above WB, Oden, Roger, Shanks, Nusjuro, Harald, and Xebec.

And if THAT'S not a crazy enough list, we are shown that both Nika and Elbaf had swords.

2. The two swords outside of Elbaf and Onigashima aren't included in #1 because we don't know the owners. Does it seem unreasonable to think that they had owners, though, and that there's a story? There wasn't anything we discovered in Wano about that katana, but there's no reason to think that another sword is shown in Elbaf for a similarly non existent reason.

3. Where in the manga did you find the number 400 as used for an estimate to Ryuma's time? It's kind of a hassle for me to dig out Thriller Bark right now if there's nothing to find.

 

[vikas]

ZKN coming

 

[Sentinel]

If they haven't said that Joyboy and Nika are mutually exclusive then I'm not going to assume how they'd see the difference. It's more likely that Jarul doesn't have knowledge of a Joyboy at all.

So he's talking about the original Nika after all if he doesn't know a thing about the 2nd world Nika?

I personally have a hard time believing that Joyboy had nothing to do with Elbaf in his time, when we saw Emeth wearing the clothes of a Giant.

I personally have a hard time believing some users really make their own happiness by inventing some forced parallels between two historic figures such as the War God and Ryuma, then end up disappointed and cursing at Oda when nothing happens, lol.