Questions & Mysteries “Ryuma slayed niddhog/God of war” theory officially debunked

[Fn Lucci]

@nik87
Thanks. I fucking howled seeing that dude run from the point. I'd tag him but all he has left is, "I hate u!!"

just stop

Begging me doesn't work. Any other reason I should stop?

Sure, buy the problem with Ryuma is that him being from the first world goes against mny informations we had.

Trying to firmly nail down time in such a broad sense is a mistake that I'm avoiding myself.

I think that's by design, because in Ronin Gai too Aramaki (the name was even the same) "secretly" a great swordman. Only time will tell.

Harada's character, Aramaki, stole his sword. The OP character can still be anything Oda says, but not using his sword in a fight killed his hype before it could really begin.

Well, the Skull was probably shaped in that form since it was said to be part of the mountain range:

"Part of the mountain range" is something that certainly should should count, I just don't think it's enough by itself.

True, but the difference here is that the informations we have had so far are in accordance with that one.

You mean that it hasn't been contradicted, but unlike many other islands we will have more of Wano in the future. If it's not related to the Void Century then it would be completely useless.

 

[Dragon777]

@nik87
Harada's character, Aramaki, stole his sword. The OP character can still be anything Oda says, but not using his sword in a fight killed his hype before it could really begin.

It's not like he steals them, as far as I know. But being a disgraced samurai, he simply takes the swords he finds.

"Part of the mountain range" is something that certainly should should count, I just don't think it's enough by itself.

Unfortunately, I don't think we are going to know anything about Onigashima. I still remember when Kidd using the giant sword was the theory because everyone thought (rightfully) that Oda couldn't have possibly put the giant sword there just for visual purposes.

Instead, Oda is a hack and probably never thought about the thing, even if he drew it again and again lol.

You mean that it hasn't been contradicted, but unlike many other islands we will have more of Wano in the future. If it's not related to the Void Century then it would be completely useless.

Yeah, but in some way confirmed. Ryuma being born in Ringo kind of confirms the 400 years ago. Because if it isn't during the Void Century, then 400 years ago, which is indeed after New Wano was established, makes sense as any other date.

I think Ryuma's story would still be solid: he still defended Wano, he was still the reason of the respect the world has of the samurai, etc.
I mean, the same for Roger, Xebec and so on. None of them are related to the big periods, but they are still going to be among the best.

 

[soupongo]

This theory is unreasonable because
1. Lack of evidence that Ryuma killed a DF user, it´s implied to be a real Dragon(which Zoro also did)
2. The way Elbaf people speak of it, the DF hasn´t been eaten for a crazy amount of time. If there was a King of Elbaf who died to Ryuma around the void century, he would be what... Haralds grandfather? It wouldn´t be ¨generations of Kings being unable to eat the fruit¨, and Jarul would certainly have known about it.
3. Oda is not going to create a conflict between Elbaf and Wano. The Giant during the VC will have obviously lost to the WG.

 

[nik87]

So the evidence suggests that Ryuma's timeline can be dated back at the most 800 years back, since he was around during the resettlement of Wano (wouldn't be far fetched that Ryuma was Joyboy's Zoro at that point), while the War of God and Sun God Nika lore most likely dates back to the first world, and we know the Elbaf lore is tens of thousands of years old.

And both claims are not equal. If you say nothing hints at Ryuma's and God of War's exact timeline, then it's not a 50/50 on Ryuma encountering the God of War, it's a didn't happen until proven otherwise.

I wasnt arguing this to begin with...
I said Ryuma was possibly from 1st world because new Wano existed back then as well but I was corrected and most of it didnt exist, the widened part around mt Fuji... But Mt Fuji existed and Ryuma may have lived there and then...
But it is more likely that he did live after Void Century, as you said.

If we incorporate Toki's fruit, he could have lived during 1st world and someone sent him into post-VC Wano in 2nd world...
All I did was point out possibilities, Oda can do whatever he wants here. Even when he walks himself into a corner, he straight-up retcons.
My opinion is that it wasnt Ryuma who slew the War God in 1st world, it was the red-haired Shimotsuki from the double spread.

The giant skull in Wano implies that War God came from Elbaf to Wano and died there but...
...that also implies that it happened post-VC which is unlikely, I dont think this fruit was used in 2nd world whatsoever.

 

[Fn Lucci]

It's not like he steals them, as far as I know. But being a disgraced samurai, he simply takes the swords he finds.

Well uh... you can call it stealing from the dead or not, it's exactly the same thing.

Unfortunately, I don't think we are going to know anything about Onigashima. I still remember when Kidd using the giant sword was the theory because everyone thought (rightfully) that Oda couldn't have possibly put the giant sword there just for visual purposes.

Instead, Oda is a hack and probably never thought about the thing, even if he drew it again and again lol.

So the Kidd idea didn't pan out and people would rather assume it's useless rather than thinking it could have a different role. That'd be fine if it didn't also involve pretending that others are "Such Craaazy Guy" for thinking otherwise lol

Yeah, but in some way confirmed. Ryuma being born in Ringo kind of confirms the 400 years ago. Because if it isn't during the Void Century, then 400 years ago, which is indeed after New Wano was established, makes sense as any other date.

Oda completely hid the fact that this is not the original Wano when it came to naming, so I don't think there are any exclusive names to give a clue.

I think Ryuma's story would still be solid: he still defended Wano, he was still the reason of the respect the world has of the samurai, etc.
I mean, the same for Roger, Xebec and so on. None of them are related to the big periods, but they are still going to be among the best.

He wasn't a really cool and helpful guy, they called him god of the blade. There's really no difference right now to suggest that he has to be below the god of war and indeed, it's kinda hard to imagine this title coming from beating anyone who is beneath it.

 

[Dragon777]

Well uh... you can call it stealing from the dead or not, it's exactly the same thing.

Not exactly: he doesn't steal other swords, he just takes random swords when his it's not usable. Having said that, on that my stance has always been: If he has one, it's because he forged it. If he's not a good swordsman, it doesn't even make sense for Oda to give him a sword like that, let alone create a random samurai just for Greenbull to have stolen a sword that he doesn't even use properly.

So the Kidd idea didn't pan out and people would rather assume it's useless rather than thinking it could have a different role. That'd be fine if it didn't also involve pretending that others are "Such Craaazy Guy" for thinking otherwise lol

That wasn't the point though. The point was that even elements that are shown again and again for Oda have no real value asice from the... gag, the visual appeal, etc.

In that sword case, nothing was against Kidd using it, and was quite an easy take. Only Oda doesn't care one bit.

Oda completely hid the fact that this is not the original Wano when it came to naming, so I don't think there are any exclusive names to give a clue.

It's not only that: his grave is in New Wano, for example. And still, Oda could have not said he was born in Ringo if he wasn't. We are talking about a retcon, if that wasn't true.

He wasn't a really cool and helpful guy, they called him god of the blade. There's really no difference right now to suggest that he has to be below the god of war and indeed, it's kinda hard to imagine this title coming from beating anyone who is beneath it.

Yeah, and defended Wano from pirates and the WG.

He was likley the best swrodsman of his era, but nothing suggest he was a key figure among the "Major Gods" of the Harely. And in fact he wasn't credited in the Harely.

Which is ok said. The King of pirates is going to be a fundamental figure too, but he isn't among the key figures of the big plot of OP

 

[Fn Lucci]

Not exactly: he doesn't steal other swords, he just takes random swords when his it's not usable. Having said that, on that my stance has always been: If he has one, it's because he forged it. If he's not a good swordsman, it doesn't even make sense for Oda to give him a sword like that, let alone create a random samurai just for Greenbull to have stolen a sword that he doesn't even use properly.

It makes perfect sense, actually, if it relates to the reference. The Harada character had to steal it from a dead body while pretending to pray over him

The One Piece character well

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It's frankly dishonest to consider him a swordsman above Roger and way more far fetched than a Wano samurai beating an Elbaf Giant.

It's not only that: his grave is in New Wano, for example. And still, Oda could have not said he was born in Ringo if he wasn't. We are talking about a retcon, if that wasn't true.

There's no reason to believe that they gave the country the same name but decided that the counties within had to be different. If they were building a whole new Wano then obviously, building a new grave also wouldn't be difficult. They made a shrine for Shusui, a national treasure. Why would they let it drown?

Yeah, and defended Wano from pirates and the WG.

So any time after Joyboy had made his debut.

He was likley the best swrodsman of his era, but nothing suggest he was a key figure among the "Major Gods" of the Harely. And in fact he wasn't credited in the Harely.

The god of war is not mentioned in the Harley

 

[kekaro]

The link this guy himself posted literal states aramaki is a master swordsman and true samural in that movie, than arguing against it, it even says he is the last one to let go
Cant make this shit up dog, reading sword scholar posts is like peaking into a anoter dimension

 

[kekaro]

Ignoring for a moment that in the movie its even implied (this obviously neccesaite you seen it actually) gennai actually was superior to anyone else in his prime: The reason why Harada steals a sword in that movie is because he is poor and a aimless ronin fallen from grace but cant let go of the way of the swords as opposed to someone like Kunie Tanaka (Kizarus actor) who becomes a merchant, and doesnt have a real sword anymore (i think he pawned it off? cant remember anymore its a while i saw it)

@ZenZu Zgirls now dealing in alternate japanese cinema facts, things getting grimmer by the second

 

[kekaro]

@Sentinel @ZenZu @SakazOuki @Elder Lee Hung @Paragorn @MarineHQ
Its a good film you should watch it, quote easy to find with english subtitles

If you want a summary, i google a little bit and here is a samurai
https://www.reddit.com/r/OnePiecePowerScaling/comments/1h8wzg6

I seen the movie prior to aramaki intro so i knew he was set up for greatness
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...poilers-discussion.59518/page-85#post-5591484

 

[Fn Lucci]

The link this guy himself posted literal states aramaki is a master swordsman and true samural in that movie, than arguing against it, it even says he is the last one to let go
Cant make this shit up dog, reading sword scholar posts is like peaking into a anoter dimension

Yes or no:
1. Does he take a sword not given to him?
2. Did I say that he is not a master swordsman in the movie?

If Greenbull is a great swordsman, I will call him one as soon as he proves it. A nice sword in the waistband isn't proof.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

@MonochromeYoru acting like he made a point when they called both places wano how you know they didnt keep the town names the same too.

How you know they did?

And that's not the point. The point is Ringo is a frozen land. There being a land named Ringo on old wano that was also frozen is highly improbable.

 

[kekaro]

Yes or no:
1. Does he take a sword not given to him?
2. Did I say that he is not a master swordsman in the movie?

You are not republican congressman bro, we not gonna remove all the context of your headcanon "actualy aramaki stole the black blade and he is not a skilled swordsman cause in the movie i didnt watch, in this link of the movie i didnt read correctly he takes real sword cause he as bamboo sword while him being the greatest swordfighter in the movie"

I left Aramaki out because I kinda like seeing what people say about him. Moria owned Shusui for about 20 years, Zoro owned it for two years. Neither of them could have turned it black.

Aramaki went to the land of samurai and didn't fight any of them with his sword. Nothing we know about him says he's even a swordsman, we just see that he has one. Until Oda says otherwise, I don't qualify him.

"until oda oda says it i dont even qualify it even for a regular swordsman!!!"

"look at the movie broski this is really strong hint he stole the bb!!!!"

 

[Fn Lucci]

You are not republican congressman bro, we not gonna remove all the context of your headcanon "actualy aramaki stole the black blade and he is not a skilled swordsman cause in the movie i didnt watch, in this link of the movie i didnt read correctly he takes real sword cause he as bamboo sword while him being the greatest swordfighter in the movie"

"You're not gonna make me answer a question!"
Being afraid to answer is not a point Bondi. So you really want to say that someone who couldn't clash with Yamato would be able to clash with WB's bisento?

 

[kekaro]

"You're not gonna make me answer a question!"
Being afraid to answer is not a point Bondi. So you really want to say that someone who couldn't clash with Yamato would be able to clash with WB's bisento?

Can you explain very slowly detailed how aramaki who was a master swordsman, who has currently a bamboo sword because he has not a real aone nymore after being disgraced and than steals a real sword to replace his bamboo one "it fits perfectly" into your "he stole the bb" narrative?
You obviously didnt read wrong!

 

[HA001]

How you know they did?

And that's not the point. The point is Ringo is a frozen land. There being a land named Ringo on old wano that was also frozen is highly improbable.

New ringo being frozen is irrelevent.
It just needs to be called ringo.

 

[Fn Lucci]

Can you explain very slowly detailed how aramaki who was a master swordsman, who has currently a bamboo sword because he has not a real aone nymore after being disgraced and than steals a real sword to replace his bamboo one "it fits perfectly" into your "he stole the bb" narrative?
You obviously didnt read wrong!

Sure: I didn't say it "fits perfectly." I said it would make perfect sense given the reference material, which is obviously not 1:1 as I've never claimed. The difference is that I don't have a narrative. I'm not saying that this is what happened but could have happened. You see, like 777, I used the word "if."

I was quoting a post saying it wouldn't make sense "if" Oda went that way, because that would mean some other swordsman did the work of making the sword black while Greenbull (whose background story didn't include any mention of swordsmanship) just happened to steal it. I don't have my own narrative on who made it black, because this is actually irrelevant to me. Greenbull is in fact irrelevant to the conversation of Ryuma vs Elbaf, just a tangent I was willing to entertain because he didn't throw a tantrum and rage quit his way out of discussion. Aramaki had been on panel fighting throughout Wano and never once used his sword. That was both the end of him as a swordsman in the story, and now in my posts as a subject. A new chapter of discussion will definitely open up as soon as he gets any sword feat or even some lip service, but thanks for helping me close this one.

 

[MonochromeYoru]

New ringo being frozen is irrelevent.
It just needs to be called ringo.

New Ringo being frozen is the whole reason Ryuma's corpse has skin and muscles and even bones you dumbass

 

[Shimotsuki Fenaker]

My bros getting ragdolling by @Fn Lucci lmao.

 

[Boiroy]

My bros getting ragdolling by @Fn Lucci lmao.

These two clowns are the only ones who poke, and started crying and complain to their daddy moderators admin when get brutally bang bang