[FNZ] Super Role Madness Pokemon: I choose you!

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I tried doing my POE again assuming Charlie was cop and it led me down to 2 possible teams:
Ratchet GB Orca Cal BTAM BS

or

Ratchet GB Orca Cal Yoho BS

now the big issue I’m having is I legit think Orca and Cal are unpaired cuz it looks like Orca was genuinely trying to push Cal D2 while also having Cal in his Sus pile from the start

and if Orca and Cal are not partners then I have no possible teams assuming Charlie is actually the cop.

If we don’t wanna get into conspiracies, then combined with my original solution of Charlie Ratchet GB Hayumi PB Orca, at a very minimum just from POE I think GB Ratchet and Orca are always just scum here

if we do want to get into conspiracies then Charlie is the mafia rolcop and that they found Jan as vig and have been dropping the names of their partners as “clears” every night
 
Oh and one last thing before I drift off to sleep:

I think Cal BTAM BS and Yoho are townier than Charlie Hayumi and PB so I still don’t buy the cop claim 100%

but I’m like positive Ratchet Orca and GB are mafia regardless of if Charlie is town or scum.
 
Again tho GB Ratchet and Orca are always just scum here just via raw POE and unpairings
But wouldn't gingerbread and Orca neve even scum together here?

Orca claims to have jailed gingerbread n1, gingerbread claims it didn't happen.

Out of the two I've got gingerbread as stronger scum odds bc of the evolve thing (only way its not is if York and Orca are scum together imo)

Voodoo
 
Oh and one last thing before I drift off to sleep:

I think Cal BTAM BS and Yoho are townier than Charlie Hayumi and PB so I still don’t buy the cop claim 100%

but I’m like positive Ratchet Orca and GB are mafia regardless of if Charlie is town or scum.
1. I'm confident in it bc why throw me as a town clear (which i am) if he were scum

2. I still don't think Orca and gingerbread are ever scum together here

Voodoo
 
1. I'm confident in it bc why throw me as a town clear (which i am) if he were scum

2. I still don't think Orca and gingerbread are ever scum together here

Voodoo
In fairness, pretty much everybody has you as town lol. I don’t think they lose anything by town clearing you. If anything, I’d say it’s very poor usage

On your second point, I agree
 
But wouldn't gingerbread and Orca neve even scum together here?

Orca claims to have jailed gingerbread n1, gingerbread claims it didn't happen.

Out of the two I've got gingerbread as stronger scum odds bc of the evolve thing (only way its not is if York and Orca are scum together imo)

Voodoo
To be fair tho, GB said early d2 he got a gift from someone. Orca didn’t claim jailor til late d3. I’m still thinking it’s possible that (1) GB locked himself into being truthful bc he admitted to the gift d2 and it would look weird if he denied it later, (2) GB planned on bussing Orca when he said he got the gift, or (3) orca just flubbed his claim for night actions / wasn’t actually jailing the ppl he said he was and had to quickly come up with fake actions, not realizing they contradict what a partner had already said super early on during the previous cycle
 
To save time tomorrow (and in case I'm not here to do it myself) I've analysed Orca's ISO for spew (had to finish slightly early because I have to start getting ready to go out) but the rest isn't overly telling as Orca is in a anti-spew after I out him for his awareness of Rej alignment before the flip.

If Charlie really is cop with *real* (non redirected/godfather) clears on Hayumi and PB then that clears up 2 of the "null" reads for me (Charlie, PB) and means that I've miscleared scum as town somewhere.

Remember, I'm analysing this as if I'm dead.

Summary:
-Ratchet exists in a single post for Orca and is a very detailed micro-read for D1, so this could be S/S.
-Crying exists mostly as "you seem genuine for stress/emotion so Imma back off you now" which could also be S/S
-Cal exists as scum solely due to his "emotion" towards Naomi but Orca never pushes him and always finds ways to vote other people (Shui, me) which could also be S/S

Several people spewed town by Orca red flip: me (probably dead), ginger, bittersweet, Hayumi (plus dead towns, Luke and Jan)

There is one post where I think Orca has possible TMI of Flower town which I've noted below.

Good luck town, I'll try to follow on phone throughout today. Fingers crossed I make it back in time for EoD tonight.

I like these from my skim. Went through Michelle's iso. I like it, the activity for them, and some of the content. Maybe too much Alexis focused though. Worth keeping an eye on, but I could see being town at the moment. I'll check Handium next
Surface level read of Michelle. Keeping options open.

@Hayumi

Ratchet appears aggressive so far, but in a manner that is testing people. I like that from him and that he had a lot of thoughts about a lot of people in one post. The way I caught him recently, was he was more closed off, focused on lynching a small group, and like Ultra when scum what he says doesn't match reality. I don't see that in his ISO. A post I didn't like though was pushing ginger about interacting with Alexis. But maybe that is just me cause it lines up with his past. I'd say lean town
Micro-read of Ratchet. Possible S/S with Ratchet but almost never S/S with Hayumi.

Not sure im caught up where this post originates, but the complete opposite is actually the norm. And I run with the wrong reason and dumb tropes of catching scum more than anyone. They hate that it shouldn't be why they're caught so they focus on it more to the point of trying to steer it as not a reason. Whether it is because they hadn't posted, said a specific word, answered a meaningless question wrong, didn't answer a meaningless question, entered the thread slightly different...on and on. It gets under their skin and they focus on it more, more often than not.
Pointless game theory talk to generate content, unlikely S/S with gingerbread.

Definitely a correct observation. I like that from you two
"Please keep town-reading me for this stuff" @ Jan/gingerbread, unpairing

Town
Naomi *
Ratchet
Crying *


Townish
Juice *
Hayumi


Wannabe Town
Michelle
York *
Alexis *


Got My Eye On
Jan *
Ginger


Scum Pile
Bitter *
Alwaysmind *
Cal *
Handium *
I've starred the naked reads. For the ones that are still alive, you need to check their ISOs for pairing/unpairing interactions with Orca up to this point.

Did I?

Roll the tape


Liking something and labeling you a town read are two different aspects. Ginger could have latched onto your thought for something easy, you both could be scum looking for something easy to push, your posts lack the detailed thought succession I remember you having as town. Lots of choppy short replies this go around it feels. Ginger is being held back because of the concept about scum wanting to be accused of wrong reasons because it gives them something to post about. Maybe I'm one of the few who feel very strongly that the thought is wrong, but it is out of place even in the context of the scenario I believe

But yes, those recognitions about my play are points in your favor, doesn't make it a town read though
Shading two towns (ginger/Jan)

I like this vote, what is your reason?
Unpairing with both Shui and bittersweet (both players were feuding D1 and more on D1)

Posts 1340, 1343, 1362, unpairing with bittersweet (via Flower)

Is it just me, or are the votes on Reloaded and York rather quiet in the grand scheme of things
Mild unpairing with Relo/York

@Dr. Watson @Luka

Can you both read the other for me quickly, just based on your alls posts
Asking towns for info.

@Ratchet thoughts on RippedCal so far?
Note question in case "asking towns" instances is greater than "asking scum"

@Polar Bear separate Michelle and TAG, what is your read on them seperately?
Asking a cop-clear (assume PB not Janitor or Godfather)

Very townish reply here
Establish town-read.

Like this and very likely makes you town as you didnt follow directions lol
Establish town-read.

This seems opposite of my thought, what made you come to that?

I was way off lol
Questions Juice slot.

How did that work out last game though?
TMI Flower town?

Id move Luka green. He did a 1020 uturn when I asked for something simple. Usually town indicative with him

Also, why Cal green? He doesn't seem like his usual self at times
Solid read on Luka, vague on Cal, could go either way.

This is actually a good thought
Back-patting Jan for suspicion on my Ratchet read.

Maybe I've died too early in games recently, but wasn't he more vocal at times as town. Definitely assertive
Questioning PB on Cal.

Do you need me to or want me to? It isn't of concern to me
Odd response to Hayumi.

Unfortunately, both are entirely plausible
Hedgy shade on Marimo slot.

I'll unvote. You seem genuine

If you are town the best way to treat your potential lynching is don't worry about it. Give people the info they need, your reads, reasonings, and answer any questions people have. If they still want to lynch you then maybe it is just necessary for the game to move forward. The way I solve is get a suspect pile and just cross off names and move them around as I go. Lynches help progress that...good or bad

Now in lynch or lose, yeah push back if you are town lol
Orca/Crying only S/S if Orca intentionally voted/pushed him to give Crying a reason to appear stressed/upset and then justify backing off him.

The only way I'm rationalizing Cal's reactions are if he is scum here
Cal scum due to Naomi interaction.

I completely disagree and don't understand. Reaction and emotion gauging is the game

Vote Lynch Cal
Cal vote.

Bittersweet. Definitely in their scum meta from what I recall, hasn't been focused on me like past town games from them

Cal- their reaction to the Naomi thing is very scum oriented being caught for the wrong reasons. Overreaction to something that really shouldn't matter. Likely scum and upset being focused on and having moves used on for a perceived previous game. If town, shouldn't have that type of reaction imo

Luka- they frustrate me and others as town. I asked them to do a simple read and they botched the instructions. Definitely see them being town

Jan- bounced from neutral, to town, and scum repeatedly on you. Something seems off. Choppier posts than i remember and less detail oriented until recently

Juice- strong town depending on Hime (what bad luck for me lol). I was very much theorizing they were town trying not to upset people and get lynched or killed again D1/N1, incorrectly again

@Jan
Reads with reasons, for later.

But what about in the reverse, would you say he has been aggressive here. I would not
Ratchet re: Cal

Let's have some fun

Vote Lynch Shuijing
Thinks Cal is scum for reaction to Naomi, but votes Shui for "fun"

This is "that" post.

What makes it terrible in your view? Maybe more importantly who should it be on, Shuijing? Do you think Rej is town?
His first mention of Rej in the entire game.

Can you link the iso of Shuijing. Saw some posts you made referencing him and his thoughts, but maybe missed the one you are talking about. Either way you are confusing to read. Why would me playing with votes with 20 hours before night be terrible timing. There is still time for just about anything vote wise.

I voted Shuijing to make it a close vote between Rej and him to see what would happen when it was a close vote. After a while of nothing I jumped off. Making Rej the high vote. Then I think you pushed Rej up even more. Seems to me you were were worried that Rej became the high vote and then jumped on it yourself
Overplayed and caught for the wrong reasons, Orca red flip spews Shui/BTAM town.

Nice, now kill TAG with fire
Interesting response, please take this scum out
So you are just copying what I said lol. Please shoot TAG someone, clear scum
TAG would have been better
Theatrics spews me town.

Bit of a mixed bag really. If you needed a gun to my head read, townish SK lol. I don't have him as town, but not mafia either. Feels a bit in the background and focused on a smaller suspect pile to avoid a bigger wrath so to speak maybe. I think he has been more focused on solving town than finding scum, but does feel genuine
Vague on PB, keeping options open.

He was shady when I unvoted Shuijing, which made Rej the high vote. Didn't like his reasoning of timing as well. Then he voted Rej up even more. Didn't follow what I would think logically. There was also like 20 hours left. He is now my #1 suspect
Where did Cal go?

Top Suspect Pile

TAG
Ginger
Juliet
Bitter
Jan
Cal
Me - town
Ginger - ? never S/S with Orca due to mech outting
Juliet - town
Bitter - ??
Jan - town
Cal - ??

I have reasons for all of them, why would you assume I don't? Do you think rainbow lists are just without reason?

I just woke up and the game im watching starts in 50 min
Mildly unpairing with bitter due to tone.

Is he though. I didn't last long in the last one because of some people lol, but seems to have fallen off as this game has gone on and surviving a kill is a big red flag
Hayumi re: ginger, Hayumi probably spewed town

TAG- their concern with timing and their posts about me dropping off of Shuijing yesterday and then very shortly after it causing Rej to be the main vote, they themselves jumped on the vote. Big red flag for me. Seemed like they were strongly connected to Rej as a result

Ginger- Kind of feels like Polar's scum game. Good start and then drop drop drop as the game goes on. As well as surviving a kill apparently. Huge red flag

Juliet- content isnt there where I remember from them. Seems very background ish and I think Polar may be on to something here

Bitter- just not there at all so far. 97 posts of nothingness imo

Jan- i don't like their overall content compared to when they were town. Much more choppy posts and less content oriented

Cal- maybe I am reading them wrong, but most of what I am seeing has been against what others have thought or expect from them as town. I expect him to be much more aggressive as town

@bittersweet
Reasonings for later.
 
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