Controversial General Political Discussion

[Reborn]

Again, I need you to understand that the Israel Palestine conflict is not just another random conflict. It's the centerpoint of imperialist agenda, more than anywhere else.

It's not just a genocide, not just an appartheid, not just war crimes, not just colonialism, not just white supremacy, it's the point where the ENTIRE world can see clearly the racist double standard of the west and call it out.

This is why it's such an important matter. it goes beyond the entire situation that is already horrible. It's an open windows for the populations to attack directly the institution and systems that are reponsible for all the other matter.

The problem here, is that this "observation" is actually not a legitimate one. It's a common reactionnary practice and has to be treated as such. You could of course talk liberal who only talk about the subjects in front of them, but no, you focus on radicals who are actually involved in raising awareness for all types of issues or choosing to speak about specific ones by strategy.

Again. If you need to raise awareness about a subject. Raise the awareness. And understand that if you attack other activist who talk about other important subject just because you don't feel that they are perfect enough.. it won't get you anything but a big reaction.

I don't actually care.

My initial post was an observation of a pattern from the left. It doesn't necessarily meant for anyone but you took it personally and felt the need to write a long reactionary post says enough to me about your stance and biasedness because what you did was deflection.

And, as usual you will continue to respond in bad faith and then blame on others for not understanding or lacking understanding.

 

[Mathias]

Why so heated tho ?

Of course you can, you don't think this has ever been discussed in academia?

Still waiting for the list of historian names who defend racism. But you chose to switch the subject to the existence of Jesus because you understood that you were wrong. And also got cornered to using insults.

I never said historians always 100% agree btw. But random middle-eastern bro is still not an argument.

Okay so you are an actual moron. Do you know what hypotheticals and examples are? for fuck sake lmao

Just apologize to me and carry on for bringing up a not very adequate example (historians and racism).

I guess a more direct one there are historians who believe Jesus as a historical person never existed, despite the evidence to the contrary. Again making my point that just to appeal to academia itself is flawed, hence why there is a fallacy already

Non existence of Jesus is a very fringe minority and that's why consensus matter because academicians are humans.

Anyway, your point is that academicians aren't always right. My point is that only their fellow academicians can discuss scholar topics between each other.

I still fail to see how your random middle-eastern equates to an academician.
Logiko isn't an academician but at least he drops some links and sources that people usually refuse to read often because it's sociology.

Nah man, not my fault you have an iq of a thermostat

Roo vs a thermostat ?

 

[Reborn]

US lifted sanctions on Iranian oil lmao

Imagine waging war with a country on which you put sanctions and then lifting those sanctions during the escalation of war because you messed up so badly.... Only Trump administration can pull this off

 

[Roo]

Why so heated tho ?

Stupidity annoys me

Still waiting for the list of historian names who defend racism. But you chose to switch the subject to the existence of Jesus because you understood that you were wrong. And also got cornered to using insults.

I said academics no?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Jensen

literally a 10 second google search. Like Zenos said, your statement was even more ridiculous because you made an absolute statewhile all I did was an educated assumption because I’m aware of this arguments

I never said historians always 100% agree btw. But random middle-eastern bro is still not an argument.

Against Logiko? Definitely is. He has 0 awareness of how that region is outside of Palestine

Anyway, your point is that academicians aren't always right. My point is that only their fellow academicians can discuss scholar topics between each other.

I still fail to see how your random middle-eastern equates to an academician.
Logiko isn't an academician but at least he drops some links and sources that people usually refuse to read often because it's sociology.



Roo vs a thermostat ?

This is why I’m calling you a retard. Not once has Logiko cited a historian during our conversation, I’m arguing his current knowledge vs someone who lives there. I’m also arguing against the idea that just because he read one or two historians it gives him authority to speak over locals because of the fallacy I’ve shown. One can easily pick and choose which academics to listen to and which ones to ignore. Hence why the fallacy exist

 

[Reborn]

@Roo even if Iran won't win this war they are gaining more than they expected themselves


Their shahed drones would be in great demand after the war. Cheaper and easy to mass produce would be sought by many developing nations. Defense exports in unstable region can come really handy for an economy.

Then, they are considering levying toll tax on ships passing through Hormuz. Even if they don't, World knows how important Iran is to have continuous supply of oil and gas through Hormuz. It increased their geopolitical weight on global stage.

Third, lifting up of sanctions on Iranian oil could be seen as an incentive to make Iran not target Gulf oil assets and let ships pass through Hormuz but it's a big win for Iran. They can now supply oil at high prices like Russia (massive gains) while squeezing Hormuz to control supply of oil from Gulf if US and Israel continues to attack.


Iranians should make a statue of Trump lol

 

[Logiko]

I don't actually care.

I get that

My initial post was an observation of a pattern from the left.

No. Your post is a regular tactic we experience from rightist that doesn't understand how leftist activism works everyday. What you say could apply to liberals, not people who are doing their best to share informations on everything or subject they consider being highly important. Like I said, your observation stands in a context of reactionarry tactics that we experience everyday.

I'm physically impacted (literally) by the stress induced by the knowledge of all these subjects and my incapacity to do anything relevant and the fact of trying everyday to fix these biases you are trying to make us aware of. So yeah.. this is triggering for me and you will get an offensive response when you do such things while continuing to vomit reactionnary rethorics on the side.

Why am I talking about Palestinian more than Sudan ? Because we - as westerners - can have much more impact on that conflict than the other and because acting against the west and Israel in Palestine is also fighting the west in Sudan and reducing the power and sources of the conflict.

I don't talk about politics just to talk about it. I talk about it to raise awareness and have an impact.

Against Logiko? Definitely is. He has 0 awareness of how that region is outside of Palestine

Who the fuck cares what I know about?

No i'm not a palestinian or Iranian. I don't have a complete knowledge of the situation and i'm not trying to cosplay napoleon. i'm trying to raise awareness about what I know is key to understand the power relationship in this conflict:

- Imperialism
- Racism

If you want to raise awareness, again, do it. Don't use me as an excuse to attack leftist.

Not once has Logiko cited a historian during our conversation

There is no conversation here. There is you trying to attack leftist (and me) and me defending them. That's all.

 

[Uncle Van]

US lifted sanctions on Iranian oil lmao

Imagine waging war with a country on which you put sanctions and then lifting those sanctions during the escalation of war because you messed up so badly.... Only Trump administration can pull this off

No wonder he originally touted himself as the "No Wars" President. Trump knew he was utterly trash at it lol

 

[Reborn]

No wonder he originally touted himself as the "No Wars" President. Trump knew he was utterly trash at it lol

You guys still have nearly 33 months of him in office.

He's making everyone great again - except America

 

[Zenos7]

I said academics no?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Jensen

literally a 10 second google search. Like Zenos said, your statement was even more ridiculous because you made an absolute statewhile all I did was an educated assumption because I’m aware of this arguments

you said academics but then in the same post used "historian".

regarding historians mathias is probably right, because race realism is not relevant to historians, so even if there are some that believe that nonsense, we wouldnt know since that isnt anything regarding their field of expertise

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

You guys still have nearly 33 months of him in office.

 

[Reborn]

@Jesse Pinkman Donald Duck flip flops every minute.

Now he has said that he's considering winding up the war and leaving Hormuz as US objectives are achieved.

Don't know then why he's sending few thousands marine corps to the region lol

If his intentions is to not come out as predictable than he's doing a very bad job at it because he's coming out as a bigger clown than world thinks he is.


Saudi Arabia has made a statement last night as well - the war must stop.

I guess Gulf can't take it anymore without risking going offensive against Iran and a full fledge war.

 

[Roo]

you said academics but then in the same post used "historian".

regarding historians mathias is probably right, because race realism is not relevant to historians, so even if there are some that believe that nonsense, we wouldnt know since that isnt anything regarding their field of expertise

Overall typo but my example still stands. You can’t just blindly appeal to academia since you can almost find anybody who will support your arguments

 

[Roo]

@Roo even if Iran won't win this war they are gaining more than they expected themselves


Their shahed drones would be in great demand after the war. Cheaper and easy to mass produce would be sought by many developing nations. Defense exports in unstable region can come really handy for an economy.

Then, they are considering levying toll tax on ships passing through Hormuz. Even if they don't, World knows how important Iran is to have continuous supply of oil and gas through Hormuz. It increased their geopolitical weight on global stage.

Third, lifting up of sanctions on Iranian oil could be seen as an incentive to make Iran not target Gulf oil assets and let ships pass through Hormuz but it's a big win for Iran. They can now supply oil at high prices like Russia (massive gains) while squeezing Hormuz to control supply of oil from Gulf if US and Israel continues to attack.


Iranians should make a statue of Trump lol

Trump is an idiot who doesn’t think things through lol

but I wouldn’t be so sure to call this a W yet. There’s reports the GCC will start joining the assault, and we’ve known Israel/USA has been funding separatist movements in Iran

 

[Logiko]

Overall typo but my example still stands. You can’t just blindly appeal to academia since you can almost find anybody who will support your arguments

In science, consensus makes law. And if you are afraid of biases, a materialist approach allows for safer sources and ressources.

The more idealist a person is, the more likely the potential for scientific and sociological biases.

 

[Roo]

In science, consensus makes law.

I don’t disagree here, usually when im not overly familiar with a topic I just follow consensus

 

[Roo]

@Reborn Iran just put the entirety of Eurasia on notice

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2035162322411422079

 

[Logiko]

A good understanding of a subject does not require a complete knowledge of said subject, but solid fundations.

If we learn about global south geopolitics through the western lens, you can be sure that while we will have a good understanding of the forces in presence, we will have absolutely no clues of the deeper layers of imperialism that shapes all these conflicts. It's often why you can see me facing people with a lot of culture and historical knowledge here, with sometimes absolutely 0 historical datas on my hand. I don't need them, or rather, I don't need all of them. And I only use what is necessary.

It's not about ignorance. It's about the understanding that knowledge is as good as its fundation.

For exemple: If you build your entire vision and knowledge of the world around the essentialist notion that men are wolves to other men, no matter how much data or knowledge you have, no matter how many years you put into your understanding... All of it crumbles in front of a simple materialist argumentation and you will be left wondering why you lost all these years learning a lie.

This is why knowledge is not truth, it's an illusion of truth.

Knowledge is a fragile construction that builds up over time on itself. Without good and strong fundamentals. Knowledge can crumble like a card castle:

 

[Reborn]

@Reborn Iran just put the entirety of Eurasia on notice

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2035162322411422079

Ya I read about it. To me it seems like retailation after Israel targetted Iranian ships in Caspian Sea yesterday.

Btw, the IRGC spokesman who died day before yesterday reportedly said 4 hours before dying that all tourist places in the West are potential targets to be hit.

 

[Reborn]

More troops deployment. This is from multiple articles.



The USS Boxer is an amphibious assault ship built to transport Marines from sea to land. It will sail from California to the Middle East alongside two other ships via the Indo-Pacific region, a journey that will take three to four weeks.

USS Boxer will carry 4500 marines and sailors.

Regarding troops movements -

There are several options under discussion. One would be aimed at freeing up passage in the Strait of Hormuz by deploying troops to Iranian ports or small islands in the Persian Gulf to mitigate the threat to vessels, the sources said.

Others include an operation to retrieve Iran’s highly enriched uranium or using troops to seize Iranian oil facilities to cut off a key financial lifeline and attempt to extract concessions from the regime or protecting key US assets in the region.

None of the options that are being seriously considered are expected to involve large-scale deployments like those in the wars in Iraq or Afghanistan.



Things aren't adding up. If Trump wants to wind up then such build up of crisis response force after the war doesn't make sense.

And, if his intentions are to open Hormuz then these vessels would take weeks to reach Hormuz. So doesn't this imply war can stretch for months now?

 

[Midnight Delight]

And, if his intentions are to open Hormuz then these vessels would take weeks to reach Hormuz. So doesn't this imply war can stretch for months now?

Yes