Controversial General Political Discussion

[Zenos7]

Multiple people who are marginalized in several ways (including myself) have also told you that everything you say is a load of horse shit though

This is irrelevant, i once made him denounce half the female population as transphobes because they dont agree with him

 

[Uncle Van]

He is lol. Logiko tried the same with me too insinuating that black people screwed by cops can't become cops or not grow up hateful

Frantz Fanon

Like...how is this a counter argument to what I said about not growing up hateful?

With this comparison you assume that I've been white washed or trying to be white for not living a life filled with hate. You gotta stop relying on assumptions that doesnt address a thing people say.

 

[Uncle Van]

Perhaps I'm taking the wrong approach. I'll try something else:

I "know" you are wrong.
You "know" I'm wrong.

We are in front of an impossibility. Now, if I'm wrong, you have nothing to fear and I have everything to lose by keeping my current thinking. But if you are wrong, I have nothing to fear but YOU have everything to lose by keeping your current thinking.

Now.. knowing that we both have a certain interest in knowing who is right or wrong. How do you propose we deal with that?



In this case it is. Because the vulgarized definition define racism as a simple behavior and an individual belief system. If you keep that thinking process, you will always be blind to the fac that racism is not a simple behavior and the structural reason why it can be reversed in the present world.



Yeah. They will tell you that it is the reason, like I was telling myself that the reason I went right was because leftists were stupid and hurting their cause. Until I understood that I was actually being racist and I corrected myself fast enough before going too far.



yes you do

You are objectively wrong for not using terms correctly by definition and changing them to fit your personal world view. You are very foolish to expect proper communication by ignoring something as basic as proper word usage. Same vein as those who claim Fascism is leftism. It is wrong and there is nothing to reflect on.

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

This is irrelevant, i once made him denounce half the female population as transphobes because they dont agree with him

What the fuck were y'all talking about

 

[Zenos7]

Hitler did not rise to power because people where afraid of communist and jews. Hitler USED the racism present in the country to appeal to fascist interests thus PULLING germans toward the far right.

It's the liberal center who gave Hitler the power. Not because the left was saying radical stuff, but because, they considered that fascism was more lucrative for them and their interest.

I'm not the one saying this: this man is:

Johann Chapouteau. Historian specialized on Nazism

No one here said anything about that it happens all the time that the rise of right wing is due to leftists propagating nonsense

This is intellectually dishonest as fuck

 

[Zenos7]

Naming famous people addresses the fact that you're using words wrong how?

Deflection tactic

Ngl, logiko would make a great apologist if he was religious

 

[Zenos7]

That was the main point of the convo and you once again dodged around the fact instead of admitting the obvious that you were wrong.

Please dont once again go on about people not understanding anything when you yourself dont use terms correctly.

In this case its not even that he is using the word wrong, its just that he uses a definition for agenda reasons and disregarding that the term can be used in different ways because that is inconvenient to his radical, retarded claim that there is no racism against white people

 

[Uncle Van]

Deflection tactic

Ngl, logiko would make a great apologist if he was religious

He's back to his old habit of claiming nobody understands anything unless they agree with him aka he is right about everything.

How exactly does naming a bunch of political theories and philosophies in place of accurate definitions help his case?

 

[Midnight Delight]

Like...how is this a counter argument to what I said about not growing up hateful?

With this comparison you assume that I've been white washed or trying to be white for not living a life filled with hate. You gotta stop relying on assumptions that doesnt address a thing people say.

He wants to call you a coon but knows he would get banned

 

[Zenos7]

this case it is. Because the vulgarized definition define racism as a simple behavior and an individual belief system. If you keep that thinking process, you will always be blind to the fac that racism is not a simple behavior and the structural reason why it can be reversed in the present world.

Nah bro, its just different contexts, both are valid amd describe differenr phenomena

 

[Zenos7]

Yeah. They will tell you that it is the reason, like I was telling myself that the reason I went right was because leftists were stupid and hurting their cause. Until I understood that I was actually being racist and I corrected myself fast enough before going too far.

So you conveniently know better about the thought process of my coworkers and/or friends because reasons?

Despite them very clearly telling me its because of radical shit from the left like "no biological sex" to mention one example?

Get lost, miss us with your ignorance riddled arrogance

 

[Zenos7]

yes you do

Not what i said no to

 

[Zenos7]

You gotta stop relying on assumptions that doesnt address a thing people say.

He cant,he is trapped in his ideological script, and if we move past that script, he just claims we dont understand and continues regurgitating the script

 

[Zenos7]

What the fuck were y'all talking about

Biological sex or transwomen=/=women

 

[Monster Zoro's Tesla Supplier]

transwomen=/=women

 

[Logiko]

political theories

Social sciences too mate.*

Like...how is this a counter argument to what I said about not growing up hateful?

I learned that if you make people seek their own information, they will understand better what you explain to them. i'm giving you names for you to look them up.

I could explain in detail why I give them, but you will tell me that I'm inventing my own terms. Here are people who know exactly what racism is. I believe you will give them more credit than me since they are scholars on the subject.

With this comparison you assume that I've been white washed or trying to be white for not living a life filled with hate. You gotta stop relying on assumptions that doesnt address a thing people say.

No. I meant that it was dumb for me to say that people of color should all understand that working against their interest is bad. But that was before I knew that whiteness pushes racialized people to aim for this status too. So I was wrong.

I'm not saying that it is what you are doing. I don't want to push the analysis that far and I don't want to tell you what you believe in that domain. But it could be an axe of reflexion because what applies to colonies, also applies to post-colonial society (if the US were ever a "post" one)

You are objectively wrong for not using terms correctly by definition

And how do you intend to prove that?

What makes you think that definition are the saint graal? Can't definition be biased? How do you make sure there are no biases in the definition?

No one here said anything about that it happens all the time that the rise of right wing is due to leftists propagating nonsense

This is intellectually dishonest as fuck

Sorry I didn't understand your sentence, can you rephrase that?

Deflection tactic

Ngl, logiko would make a great apologist if he was religious

I mean, how would you want me to proceed to prove that I'm right?


Or are you dogmatically thinking that I'm wrong without evidences ?

retarded claim that there is no racism against white people

So "retarded" that materialist social scientists consider that it is the proper way to see racism. as a system of domination. or perhaps are you considering these research as "retarded" ?

Nah bro, its just different contexts, both are valid amd describe differenr phenomena

Not really no.

So you conveniently know better about the thought process of my coworkers and/or friends because reasons?

The reason is that politicization or depoliticization have patterns. That we can predict, deduce, and understand.

Despite them very clearly telling me its because of radical shit from the left like "no biological sex" to mention one example?

Like no biological sex what? You mean gender? So... transphobia? (not leftism)

Get lost, miss us with your ignorance riddled arrogance

Arrogance ? Are you sure?

Observe the way you (and others) interact with me. And look closely HOW I interact with you. You will see no "arrogance" or very little in the last few pages. In fact I'm pretty sure I'm doing my best to try to prove why I believe X or Z (with authors, with political analysis and such)..

I may say that I believe you don't understand what I'm saying. I may counter your argumentation. But there is no conflictuality or very little from me. I'm simply saying "look at my evidences" and "look at the research" and "look at the people making the research". In a world where people are currently targeted because of religion and skin color by systems and government, I believe it would be more rationnal for you to listen to me than me to listen to you. Don't you think?

What do you fear?

He cant,he is trapped in his ideological script

Ok, let's admit that. How do you prove that it's only ideological?

Biological sex or transwomen=/=women

I will ignore that .. for now

 

[Midnight Delight]

Ok, let's admit that. How do you prove that it's only ideological?

How do you prove it isn't

 

[Zenos7]

You will see no "arrogance" or very little in the last few pages

Lost cause for real bro

 

[Logiko]

How do you prove it isn't

Historical evidences. Sociological evidences. Actual day to day evidences. Political theory. Historical materialism. Intersectionnality. Anti-racism. Anticolonialism.

I have a lot of tools to demonstrate the systematization of racism.

Lost cause for real bro

What did you just do if that's not arrogance ?

 

[Zenos7]

Or are you dogmatically thinking that I'm wrong without evidences ?

Multiple individuals have tried to explain why you are wrong.