Powers & Abilities The Wildfire invades Totland

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I love how everything is revolving around Dragon damnation being blocked and over powered by Maki and One of the strongest sword series used to subjugate the world.

If King of Hell didn't work against top tiers, I would have gladly accepted my L. But king of hell was put against literally God tier Imu and Demi god tier Maki and Legendary weapon.

They ao easily avoid the fact just the omen replica of the sword easily countered Dual Ragna Heim with advanced conqueror like it was nothing.

King of hell against Top tiers, like Yonkou, Admiral.
~ Bigmom was shit scared of Zoro attacks for Kaidou
~ Zoro cut Kaidou scales with just Ryou
~ And I don't have to remind How much big of a gap Conqueror coating and Armanent coating is.
~ Hurting kaidou, Zoro already proved Top tier AP status. Don't even bother bringing up Luffy and Law, they are using internal destruction, bypassing the entire defense layer to hurt insides. Zoro and Oden are only known people actually destroy through that Defense and hurt Kaidou.

Kaidou without a doubt holds the highest defense stat due to his dragon scale rather than a gimmick like Lunrian or diamond fruit.

If Zoro can hurt Kaidou, with just ryou, he is hurting any top tier with just ryou, let's not even talk about Ashura, or Conqueror coated attacks.
King of Hell is seperate tier entirely. Mix of both armanent and conqueror on max output.

On top of that,
King of Hell against Sommers, is completely different from KoH used against King.

Against King Haki mass was used, Zoro like Roger and Garp used every bit of Haki in his Last attack.

This Zoro is clearly still fighting unlike Kings fight where he passed out right after like Roger and Garp.
 
This is irrelevant, these numbers are inconclusive and speculative, anyway the gap between every yc and an top tier is big and saw yesterday that beating an yc-high tier is still nothing when it comes to top tiers(even for low top tiers)

So new chapter just debuked what folks like @ShishioIsBack @Cruxroux @nik87 @HA001 @Blazing Lion been saying that current zoro is top tier and that King is the strongest high tier, and dragon dramnation attack ain't defeating a top tier.

Now answering the dumb question thread, the moment King enters Totoland, he gets bitchslaped by BMPs, i would say Kata even with some Cracker help folds King.

A mere commander ain't soloing an Yonkou crew
You are talking outta your ass and making it like any fodder admiral would overpower Gram lmao 😂
 
What are your thoughts on bombs and Big Mom?
"Bombs" is underrating the explosives stored in Onigashima. There was a nuke in that arsenal. BM took enough firepower to destroy the entire capital of Wano and more

That amount of firepower could also easily kill the likes of Luffy if he took it head on imo. A fraction of it destroyed the fire thingy that a monster like Yamato had trouble dispersing
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker


You cannot even tell what happens on this panel.
Pack it up old man. You're done lmao
For once you are right, I cant tell what happened there. And neither can you. Proceed to assume, I will wait for an actual manga explanation.

So new chapter just debuked what folks like @ShishioIsBack @Cruxroux @nik87 @HA001 @Blazing Lion been saying that current zoro is top tier and that King is the strongest high tier, and dragon dramnation attack ain't defeating a top tier.
None of that is debunked but I dont expect the self-sabotaji gang to get it.
 

Fujishiro

Im the poisoner.
Shocked how easily Sommers blocked it.
Just saying but a higher end move of Mihawk, a Admiral or other big top tiers, would kill or injury Sommers badly in that scene.

Yeah seems like KoH moves are indeed not top tier lvl yet.
Guess this gonna change soon or later.
Current Zoro is not at the top stage yet.
Proof?
 
Shocked how easily Sommers blocked it.
Just saying but a higher end move of Mihawk, a Admiral or other big top tiers, would kill or injury Sommers badly in that scene.

Yeah seems like KoH moves are indeed not top tier lvl yet.
Guess this gonna change soon or later.
Current Zoro is not at the top stage yet.
What do you mean "admirals"? Kizaru's gonna kill Sommers with what Conqueror's Haki, the imaginary one?
 
We know there’s an exploit for it because they’re extinct. Whether that means getting by their defenses with force or finding a way to get around it (I.e. a weakness or exploit that makes them vulnerable) is up for speculation.
So there's a clear loophole in their "invincibility" which caused their extinction, regardless of how much everything of that is currently just speculation, it also proves that their invincibility isn't absolute.

Again, King was scared of Zoro's attacks even though he knew Zoro wouldn't be able to damage him in flame on mode... Whatever forced him to switch between flame on/off mode, it was the deciding factor why King started losing his "invincibility."

It’s whether or not you think something, without any evidence, can get through their defenses. Not bypass it, outright destroy them and it.
Sorry but all you have is an exaggerated statement which can be disproven ANY time while King didn't show any feats when he's tanked attacks of such calibre.

King's durability was highballed because the fandom thought Zoro has crazy top tier AP but we can literally get rid of that. His feats aged like milk. I want to see more feats from either Seraphims if they're capable to tank island level attacks, being against this "They can just tank everything" stance isn't headcanon, it's rationality. Otherwise, you could always argue that Roger, Primebeard, Mihawk, etc. wouldn't be able to deal damage to King.

its not a nuke and it can kill a Lunarian if their flame isn’t on or if the attack can douse/put out their flames.
It's a pure lightning explosive energy attack which destroys everything in its path.
Kind of similar to Enel's Raigou but on a far larger and stronger scale.
Loki can literally fly to every nearby island and nuke it with his breath, no exaggeration. He's a massive island sized flying dragon himself and he can spam these attacks with ease. Imu vs Loki turned a good part of the entire forest in flames and we know how large Elbaf is.

Furthermore, neither is Blazing Bagua a nuke and you're giving the benefit of the doubt to this attack.
 
So there's a clear loophole in their "invincibility" which caused their extinction, regardless of how much everything of that is currently just speculation, it also proves that their invincibility isn't absolute.

Again, King was scared of Zoro's attacks even though he knew Zoro wouldn't be able to damage him in flame on mode... Whatever forced him to switch between flame on/off mode, it was the deciding factor why King started losing his "invincibility."



Sorry but all you have is an exaggerated statement which can be disproven ANY time while King didn't show any feats when he's tanked attacks of such calibre.

King's durability was highballed because the fandom thought Zoro has crazy top tier AP but we can literally get rid of that. His feats aged like milk. I want to see more feats from either Seraphims if they're capable to tank island level attacks, being against this "They can just tank everything" stance isn't headcanon, it's rationality. Otherwise, you could always argue that Roger, Primebeard, Mihawk, etc. wouldn't be able to deal damage to King.



It's a pure lightning explosive energy attack which destroys everything in its path.
Kind of similar to Enel's Raigou but on a far larger and stronger scale.
Loki can literally fly to every nearby island and nuke it with his breath, no exaggeration. He's a massive island sized flying dragon himself and he can spam these attacks with ease. Imu vs Loki turned a good part of the entire forest in flames and we know how large Elbaf is.

Furthermore, neither is Blazing Bagua a nuke and you're giving the benefit of the doubt to this attack.
Well Luffy has top tier AP and dura neg yet he spent like 10 hours fighting Seraphims and still couldn't get past their Lunarian defense.

I think it's safe to assume that Oda want us to believe that Flame On Lunarian is in fact invulnerable rn until he will finally decide which hax can bypass them or which lvl of AP can beat that shit.
 

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
If King turned his flames off and just laid on the ground, does a combined might of all Charlottes have enough firepower to deal any significant damaji to King? :quest:
They all hit like wet noodles and King is a problem that you cant solve by quantity...
 
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