Speculations Kaido and BM aren't even between top 50

[Roronoa-sama]

After this chapter, we were all surprised by the level Sommer reached (Jack/Doffy level) after obtaining Omen and his family sword, but there's something even more important: how strong the original heads of their families were. Because, as Sommer said, it was Imu who brought them back. These kings were extremely powerful (unlike Sommer and Killingham), and it's only thanks to Imu's power that HK can use a bit of his lost power. That said, we have 19 kings with undoubtedly advanced Clash of Clans abilities and legendary swords, Imu, Joyboy, 19 of Joyboy's crewmates and allies (Kid, Law), Shanks, Mihawk, Roger and his Wings, Whitebeard, Xebec, and more from the new generation. So, where do Kaido and Big Mom rank in One Piece: top 20, 30, 50, or 100?
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[Salah WG]

Those Weapons don't have any Powers.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Those Weapons don't have any Powers.

read the chapter again, Sommer: great one revived us with omen
https://cdn.mangagoa.xyz/manga_69c933867456d/vol-tbe-chapter-1189/l014.jpg

 

[nik87]

We can argue Big Mom but Kaido is still not dethroned from #1 spot.
The King of the World doesnt have a World's Strongest declaration under his name.
The only World's Strongest attached to Imu is the organization he leads, nothing else.

 

[Salah WG]

read the chapter again, Sommer: great one revived us with omen
https://cdn.mangagoa.xyz/manga_69c933867456d/vol-tbe-chapter-1189/l014.jpg

Yeah, it says Imu used Omen to bring back those weapons & grant them to his Knights,
Nothing says those Weapons had Powers, They are simply Legendary Weapons fueled by Imu's Omen & probably Haki,

 

[nik87]

Nothing says those Weapons had Powers

Didnt Imu state that one of the two sword that impaled Luffy drains his vitality? Sounds like a power to me.
The Axe he pulled has some fire ability if you noticed below it.
Wrath was extending, Fragarach looked like it absorbed life force as well...

 

[Reborn]

I put Kaido in top 20

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Yeah, it says Imu used Omen to bring back those weapons & grant them to his Knights,
Nothing says those Weapons had Powers, They are simply Legendary Weapons fueled by Imu's Omen & probably Haki,

Sommer is talking about how these weapons are so powerful that they were able to conquer the world with Imu. And furthermore, after Enma, it becomes clear that the swords always retained some of the power of their previous masters.

 

[soupongo]

The 20 kings are never going to do anything in the story, they're not even real characters. Same with Joyboy's crew and allies. They're going to be as relevant as the Rocks pirates were in that flashback....which is at best going to be double that flashback in length

 

[Roronoa-sama]

We can argue Big Mom but Kaido is still not dethroned from #1 spot.
The King of the World doesnt have a World's Strongest declaration under his name.
The only World's Strongest attached to Imu is the organization he leads, nothing else.

It's over nika sommer with nemesi is above oden and that means kaido would be killed

 

[Salah WG]

Didnt Imu state that one of the two sword that impaled Luffy drains his vitality? Sounds like a power to me.
The Axe he pulled has some fire ability if you noticed below it.
Wrath was extending, Fragarach looked like it absorbed life force as well...

Even if those are from the weapon & not Imu's doing, I still believe that Imu clearly have access to OG Founders, not just their weapons,
So those might be their Powers, and Imu is using those Weapons to channel them,

It's same as Brook's Powers, why does Brook's Sword generate Ice? Is it the Weapon? Ofc not, it's Brook's Soul because it traveled to Afterlife,
So, by having access to OG Founders Souls or at least their Energy somehow, Imu is able to bring back their Powers & He tied them to their Weapons,

If after 800, Imu done the same with Kaidou & Fujitora & Kin'emon ... etc you'd see a Kanabo that can generate Lightning-Like Strikes, a Sword that affects Gravity, another that generates Fire ... etc

 

[Roronoa-sama]

The 20 kings are never going to do anything in the story, they're not even real characters. Same with Joyboy's crew and allies. They're going to be as relevant as the Rocks pirates were in that flashback....which is at best going to be double that flashback in length

We've already seen the 20 kings against Joyboy.

 

[nik87]

It's over nika sommer with nemesi is above oden and that means kaido would be killed

He wouldnt leave even a scar...
You need haki for it and those weapons dont bring a haki bag like Enma does.

Even if those are from the weapon & not Imu's doing, I still believe that Imu clearly have access to OG Founders, not just their weapons,
So those might be their Powers, and Imu is using those Weapons to channel them,

It's same as Brook's Powers, why does Brook's Sword generate Ice? Is it the Weapon? Ofc not, it's Brook's Soul because it traveled to Afterlife,
So, by having access to OG Founders Souls or at least their Energy somehow, Imu is able to bring back their Powers & He tied them to their Weapons,

If after 800, Imu done the same with Kaidou & Fujitora & Kin'emon ... etc you'd see a Kanabo that can generate Lightning-Like Strikes, a Sword that affects Gravity, another that generates Fire ... etc

Fair enough, it isnt clear yet how those things work and there is that MJ national treasure and frozen chamber...

 

[soupongo]

We've already seen the 20 kings against Joyboy.

By "real" I mean that they're not going to get serious focus beyond names and faces. Think like silver Axe.

The Void century is going to be focused on Imu's rise to power, where the 20 kings submitted to him.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

By "real" I mean that they're not going to get serious focus beyond names and faces. Think like silver Axe.

The Void century is going to be focused on Imu's rise to power, where the 20 kings submitted to him.

silver axe was shiki rival

 

[Roronoa-sama]

He wouldnt leave even a scar...
You need haki for it and those weapons dont bring a haki bag like Enma does.


Fair enough, it isnt clear yet how those things work and there is that MJ national treasure and frozen chamber...

Do you thing gram (who is stronger zoro strong attack) couldn't cut kaido

 

[soupongo]

silver axe was shiki rival

Yeah but iirc he didn't even get one real feat. The void century flashback can't be that much longer than the Rocks one where Oda can give 20 characters feats

Plus, if the 20 kings really did team up against Joyboy, it might only be Imu who was that strong

 

[nik87]

Do you thing gram (who is stronger zoro strong attack) couldn't cut kaido

Of course it cant.
Gram has never demonstrated some wild cutting ability, in fact, it has cut nothing so far.
The only thing it demonstrated is defending against Loki+Ragnir combo and Zoro's DD.
Bartolomeo's barrier can do the same thing. Hold your horses, Roro-chin...
...it is not yet time to trample over Kaido.

 

[Roronoa-sama]

Yeah but iirc he didn't even get one real feat. The void century flashback can't be that much longer than the Rocks one where Oda can give 20 characters feats

Plus, if the 20 kings really did team up against Joyboy, it might only be Imu who was that strong

He obviously had nakamas and allies like Loki's ancestor

 

[Loki D. Terror]

Harley Gods
Imu
Joyboy
Nika
Eos Luffy
Eos BB
Loki
Ragnir
Roger
Rocks
WB
Garp
Eos Zoro
Eos sanji
Shanks
Omen buffed Gorosei
Onem buffed Shamrock

Above all are/will be above Kaido.

Then we have dragon , Eos/Prime law , kidd , momo etc who could be above him.

Not in top 25 for sure. Most likely between top 25-35.