Salem of Lies Throne Of Lies: The WG War

[Naomi]

What if the "disguise" was used on Ekko to troll? Actually I feel like I'm at the point where further questions are futile, I don't believe in this avenue.

it was, i even told @Yoho who can confirm i disguised kekko for the memes in my whisper claim to him, polar ignored that meme part confession.

i got god troll powers, i am 100% abusing it for memes along with worst, and yoho who wanted in. lol

 

[Ratchet]

we have a full-blown guide thread for tol here, there's no room for taking liberties without even telling us
also, it would pretty much change the entire game completely, it'd be a massive fuckery
just the fact that naomi is trying to push something like this makes it obvious her target rn is ekko

I'd have to take your word for it. But thanks for answering anyway.

 

[Saber]

What if the "disguise" was used on Ekko to troll? Actually I feel like I'm at the point where further questions are futile, I don't believe in this avenue.

would be "technically" possible, but then here's what happens
she uses it on ekko, somehow manages to lynch him and he doesn't flip as prince, chaos ensues and then... she gains nothing out of it since her target was actually you, not him

 

[Ratchet]

if you want i can frame you sheriff tonight @Ratchet


This way you also get a visit from me!

I assumed I was probably leading wagon unless there is more mech I haven't gotten to yet.

 

[Yoho]

it was, i even told @Yoho who can confirm i disguised kekko for the memes in my whisper claim to him, polar ignored that meme part confession.

i got god troll powers, i am 100% abusing it for memes along with worst, and yoho who wanted in. lol

Yes

 

[Naomi]

would be "technically" possible, but then here's what happens
she uses it on ekko, somehow manages to lynch him and he doesn't flip as prince, chaos ensues and then... she gains nothing out of it since her target was actually you, not him

yeah but ali would gotten cult leader result lol

 

[Saber]

I'd have to take your word for it. But thanks for answering anyway.

since when is whether a game is secretly bastard or not even a real point of discussion here
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...des-official-throne-of-lies-role-guide.15128/

 

[Reborn]

Yes it was all my scheme @Zemmi , @AL sama

So you knew nao was scorned from D1 but didn't care to tell us when ekko was getting pushed for indie?

 

[Saber]

So you knew nao was scorned from D1 but didn't care to tell us when ekko was getting pushed for indie?

not only did he know he was her right hand man lol

 

[Ratchet]

would be "technically" possible, but then here's what happens
she uses it on ekko, somehow manages to lynch him and he doesn't flip as prince, chaos ensues and then... she gains nothing out of it since her target was actually you, not him

Yeah, I would say it's not entirely impossible given the player in question, but the problem I have is it requires several assumptions just to get there. Easy answer is Ali got greedy and assumed I was afk for good. Next easy answer is Ali was town day 1 and scum now. Next is Ali was scum from the start which is actually the one I believe in most after you said he whispered his role to you amd Charlie. Charlie I kind of get, because he's just playing the odds there, but even then, the logoc doesn't match up for me. There should be no reason for a sheriff to be concerned about establishing his claim.

 

[Naomi]

So you knew nao was scorned from D1 but didn't care to tell us when ekko was getting pushed for indie?

worst is town locked for that lol

 

[Ratchet]

since when is whether a game is secretly bastard or not even a real point of discussion here
https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...des-official-throne-of-lies-role-guide.15128/

It has been, several times in fact, but I was referring to the idea that Ekko is her target. Also, while I do appreciate the guide, there is no chance I'm going to read it. Beyond the bare minimum I can, at least.

 

[Reborn]

Feels like a stretch. Reads are one thing but the important part is pushing them through, and Orca himself will admit he rarely gets sway on his reads. I suppose maybe I'm putting too much thought into it though, many times scum just "do things" for the sake of doing them. The reasoning I'm looking for may simply just not exist.

I think otherwise.

Let's say A push for someone (say B and C) hard. In this case, bleeding A will make it too obvious.

But if A scum reads B and C but doesn't push them then it doesn't become too obvious.

Obviously there could be another reason - it's random so who knows

 

[Ratchet]

I think otherwise.

Let's say A push for someone (say B and C) hard. In this case, bleeding A will make it too obvious.

But if A scum reads B and C but doesn't push them then it doesn't become too obvious.

Obviously there could be another reason - it's random so who knows

I understand the underpinning logic, and I do concede it makes sense. To me though, a burn or poison or (delayed kill) is best used to remove players that you either don't need to kill as a priority but would like to take away from the town, or to bypass protects/immunity. Orca just doesn't really fit the standard profile for the first one, unless he happens to be having an exceptional game of course, and for the latter it looks like there wasn't that sort of info on the table at the time.

But yeah, I don't wholly disagree at all. And also, I suspect it could just be random, I've lost count the number of times in recent years I've gotten stuck trying to reason something out, only for the answer to be that there is no reason. Makes me feel like I'm playing a Professor Layton game lol.

 

[Ratchet]

It has been, several times in fact, but I was referring to the idea that Ekko is her target. Also, while I do appreciate the guide, there is no chance I'm going to read it. Beyond the bare minimum I can, at least.

(get away with)

 

[Saber]

Yeah, I would say it's not entirely impossible given the player in question, but the problem I have is it requires several assumptions just to get there. Easy answer is Ali got greedy and assumed I was afk for good. Next easy answer is Ali was town day 1 and scum now. Next is Ali was scum from the start which is actually the one I believe in most after you said he whispered his role to you amd Charlie. Charlie I kind of get, because he's just playing the odds there, but even then, the logoc doesn't match up for me. There should be no reason for a sheriff to be concerned about establishing his claim.

what you say makes even less sense from a scum pov
he establishes himself as sheriff d1, claims d2 to lynch you and then... just gets fucked when you don't flip scum? too many things could go wrong, and all that just to get an inactive player out in the early game
scum ali would benefit way more from earning more town cred by whispering than doing any of this in this dp
he sees sheriff as some sort of town leader since it's the second most important role and at least one is guaranteed to be in the game, it doesn't go that well with the night abilities, but it's not exactly wrong either

 

[Saber]

also, he strongly disagrees with everything the other town leader (the prince) is doing, so taking the lead was a very natural choice

 

[Ratchet]

what you say makes even less sense from a scum pov
he establishes himself as sheriff d1, claims d2 to lynch you and then... just gets fucked when you don't flip scum? too many things could go wrong, and all that just to get an inactive player out in the early game
scum ali would benefit way more from earning more town cred by whispering than doing any of this in this dp
he sees sheriff as some sort of town leader since it's the second most important role and at least one is guaranteed to be in the game, it doesn't go that well with the night abilities, but it's not exactly wrong either

By that point they'd have two recruits, and no scum deaths (most likely) by day 3. In effect, the game is over. Even if he does immediately get scum read (he would have the WIFOM defence, with the reasoning that you're outlining here), that puts them up considerably and if I read correctly, an assassin is replaceable. I'd assume he's that.

Being real with you, if you have no other mech you have to take me off the board. Whether that's lynching me or having Ekko execute me, there's no justification for not resolving me. Even with my role being strong. Now in good faith I can't actually insist anyone does that, I have my pride after all, but I can only demonstrate the importance of keeping your options open. At minimum, Ekko should be jailing Ali today. I'm simply asking that you cover your blinds pots, and don't run away with the assumption that the mech claim must be real.

 

[Reborn]

not only did he know he was her right hand man lol

Proud of my boi

worst is town locked for that lol

I know worst for good. His trolling is NAI. He does it for his amusement and he can do it even as mafia or indie.

But I do believe his knight claim to some extent.

Tbh, I did feel only 3 people can PR al on day 1 - worst, ali or you. So, I believe you two are in it.

 

[Ratchet]

also, he strongly disagrees with everything the other town leader (the prince) is doing, so taking the lead was a very natural choice

I fail to see the relevance. I don't think disagreeing with Ekko makes him any less (or indeed, more) likely to be scum?

I've already outlined the issue with whispering. He basically gambles the game on being right on a couple of day 1 reads. I know I can't change your mind. I can only ask that you keep it open enough to consider the possibility, and take action accordingly.