Spoiler One Piece Chapter Spoiler 1193 Spoilers Discussion

[DarkWitch]

@soupongo
Some are already jumping to conclusion when it comes to the Sommers fight, thinking that next chapter will be done, and others mainly Sanji fans thinking that Zoro's fight will finish before Sanji's.

This chapter at the end with Zoro vs Sommers was to showcase Zoro learning and also show us the readers that yes the heart is the weakness.

Sommers will most likely start to take Zoro seriously now and will hopefully counter him, we also need to see a full Zoro vs Sommers chapter fight.

And Zoro will not finish his fight before Sanji, that has never happened before and it never will.

Maybe Oda will have them defeat/kill Sommers and Killingham at the same time, if not that then Sanji's fight should conclude first and then Zoro's.

 

[AER15]

what do you mean Gaban?

 

[Jeanstealer]

Btw, there are several gashes and cuts on the ship's deck. So further confirmation that Zoro and Wommers did fight off-screen.

 

[Abcdbzw]

Low toptiers aren't all that powerful, high toptiers like kaido and shanks and pk level guys like Roger xebec wb hybrid Loki are powerful, even imu would struggle against a pk level guy

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

they hyping up adam tree durability which Gaban easily cut

 

[Blahmigooo]

Why didn’t Gunko bring herself back when she fought Brook? Because plot lmao

What damage did Gunko take?

Is Gunko situation like Harald? Any prove?
It look like Gunko forgot Brook or can't recall him for the first half.....
And need some memory trigger to bring herself back.

Evil Harald realised it's Loki from the get go and even says he'll kill him,
Some memory triggers doesn't do shit in this case like Gunko
Harald just choose to bring himself back randomly while fighting Loki?
Genius observation and logic i see what you did

 

[D. Plant]

@Elder Lee Hung @Loki D. Terror @DarkestKnightofSpoilers @TheD. @D. Plant @park_min young @Tyki_Mikk @LANJI CUCKSMOKE @Kurozumi Wiwi

Hybrid Loki!!!
Just need to wait two more weeks, we have to endure a bit more, peak is coming. Something to look forward.

 

[Zoinks52]

I don't think base Loki is god tier lol, but he's definitely in the upper echelons of top tiers. Hybrid Loki will surely be stronger than the likes of Primebeard or Dodger imo

That seems believable although I'd rate him a bit higher.

That said things have been out of whack for a bit imo. I want to see what True Prime Roger looks like if we get any flashback of him.

What would you consider upper echelon btw? I'm guessing Shanks Akainu etc? For me it's C3 as a whole, Shanks, Ray-Ban, maybe Kaido and then idk.

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

Low toptiers aren't all that powerful, high toptiers like kaido and shanks and pk level guys like Roger xebec wb hybrid Loki are powerful, even imu would struggle against a pk level guy

why you included Kaido who lost to rookie Luffy

 

[Shivercalero]

Looks suspiciously like a treasure chest for a poneglyph.

 

[Jeanstealer]

they hyping up adam tree durability which Gaban easily cut

Imu appears more or less fine after the attack too. And the excessive lighting upon Imu impacting the tree makes it clear that the end result heavily relied on Loki empowering Goofy's punch. It was clear before but now it's completely unarguable.

 

[Kurozumi Wiwi]

Hybrid Loki got wings?

Maybe we could get an aerial battle with Imu

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Is Gunko situation like Harald? Any prove?
It look like Gunko forgot Brook or can't recall him for the first half.....
And need some memory trigger to bring herself back.

Evil Harald realised it's Loki from the get go and even says he'll kill him,
Some memory triggers doesn't do shit in this case like Gunko
Harald just choose to bring himself back randomly while fighting Loki?
Genius observation and logic i see what you did

It’s literally the only other time a HK has undone Imus mind control. Both had their minds altered by Imu and had multiple personalities because of it.

Harald like Gunko brought themselves back somehow just like with the heart Oda hasn’t expanded on how but we know damage isn’t the answer as Gunko took literally none.

 

[DarkWitch]

Killingham is at less than 30% power against Sanji, he basically uses 0% of his Devil fruit and only uses his own Power. Killingham vs Sanji 1v1 would be low diff because he can simply spawn woman that Sanji cant even attack

AER15 really doesn't know what he's talking about.

"I have Killingham above Sommers because in a 1v1 between them, Killingham would have Zaza fight alongside him."

That wouldn't even be a 1v1 anymore, it would be a 2v1, also I doubt Killingham would have Zaza with him during his fight against Sommers.

And finally last time I checked, Zoro's opponent is always stronger than Sanji's.

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Imu will regain his hype if hé bodies hybrid loki

 

[Crow]

what do you mean Gaban?

Gaban: His plot armor must be extremely powerful!

 

[WkainuWheWoat]

"I have Killingham above Sommers because in a 1v1 between them, Killingham would have Zaza fight alongside him."

That wouldn't even be a 1v1 anymore, it would be a 2v1, also I doubt Killingham would have Zaza with him during his fight against Sommers.

And finally last time I checked, Zoro's opponent is always stronger than Sanji's.
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thats like saying Big Moms using homies makes it not a 1v1 anymore, its her Power it counts as 1v1 imo

 

[nik87]

This fight is even more of a neg-diff in terms of actual combat ability... than Zoro v. Lucci or Zoro v. Kamazou/Hawkins/Apoo
It's just Oda dragging the fight out for entertainment purposes, just imagine if Zoro had the brain of Law here.
Zoro is probably already better than prime Oden/Rayleigh/Gaban.

The Janitor should also be another one shot neg diff, the thorns were invisible this chapter and got crushed all the same.

Yes, those guys had an alright CQC prowess but this is downright trash...
Oh, I have no doubt about Zoro being stronger than them in prime and yet we have scholars who think Zoro is weaker than old legends...
They keep confusing idle Zoro with all out Zoro, they simply cant power scale him.

I have high hopes for the Janitor, Honebami gave us a taste of what Orochified Raiu could be like, just many times stronger.
In general, Blackbeard Pirates are one of the most important fights in the show, for every SH member, Zoro's opponent has to deliver too.
If King stole the spot of the toughest in the world from Kaido, I think Shiryu will steal the spot of supreme DF merchant from Blackbeard.

It is kinda hard to imagine how DF merchant will stand against a hakiman but Awakened Suke no Mi could really be the answer.
All of Zoro's supremacy would be pointless if he faces a ghost body and doesnt know how to cut it.
The ending would be neg dif when he learns how to cut it but prior to that, Shiryu will have the opportunity to deliver tons of damaji, hopefully. We need a bloody Zoro again, heavily damaged Zori is always a peak Zori moment...

@nik87 woro is back to being the goat

Remember that next time when you down bad, Ice-kun.
Dont get fooled by hype curve going down, it is merely a narrative device to build up the next upward curve...

 

[Jeanstealer]

That seems believable although I'd rate him a bit higher.

That said things have been out of whack for a bit imo. I want to see what True Prime Roger looks like if we get any flashback of him.

What would you consider upper echelon btw? I'm guessing Shanks Akainu etc? For me it's C3 as a whole, Shanks, Ray-Ban, maybe Kaido and then idk.

Upper echelons for me, approximately: all admirals (I don't discriminate), prime Rayleigh / Gaban / Garp / Dodger / Whitebeard / Xebec / Harald, Shanks, Mihawk, base Loki.

Laido is old news.

 

[mly90]

Harald allowed himself to be killed pointed to the heart used zero haki to shield himself this chapter is massive loki downscale
So many loki threads will be revived after the chapter drops @nik87 @Blazing Lion @Topi Jerami