Current Events Zoro Will not be "Defeated" in the Onigashima Raid
can't even see the connection haha 
What bad potrayal exactly?
You're saying Zoro taking damage from falling like a hundred meters is bad portrayal? You mean Zoro should be like luffy who is immune to blunt force or he should be like sanji with durability armor? Why?
Zoro's a tank remember. He's gimmick isn't "I don't take damage". His gimmick is "I take damage and tank it and then still win"
If your idea of "bad potrayal" is zoro taking any damage at all then that means Zoro's NEVER had good potrayal since he always rakes damage since chapter 4 of the manga. Every single tim serious arc, he takes damage. Hell he even took damage vs Killer and yet he still won. So.... I guess it's always been bad portrayal
You're saying Zoro taking damage from falling like a hundred meters is bad portrayal? You mean Zoro should be like luffy who is immune to blunt force or he should be like sanji with durability armor? Why?
Zoro's a tank remember. He's gimmick isn't "I don't take damage". His gimmick is "I take damage and tank it and then still win"
If your idea of "bad potrayal" is zoro taking any damage at all then that means Zoro's NEVER had good potrayal since he always rakes damage since chapter 4 of the manga. Every single tim serious arc, he takes damage. Hell he even took damage vs Killer and yet he still won. So.... I guess it's always been bad portrayal
he didn't fall, he was thrown at falling Oars... and yes he shouldn't take damage from small fries' weak attacks IF its intended for him to Defeat the strongest character in the series right away... if Kaido is his opponent then Killer doing that to Zoro was bad, Queen doing that to him was Bad, Apoo Doing that was bad, Hawkins doing that was bad, all the people mentioned are one hit KO for Kaido and you want that Kaido to be defeated by a guy who was portrayed like this ? why not Sanji then instead of Zoro, Sanji also got broken leg from vergo, beaten by flamingo, beaten by Judge, beaten by BM and now straight up Defeating Kaido, no problem there as well then huh
Nobody said he would do so in 1vs1...
Queen isnt a small fry so bleeding from Queen is perfectly logical, he munched on him with his teeth...
Why is it bad that he took damage from Apoo? Everyone else within hearing range did the same...
Hawkins' nails? Zoro's body was never immune to nails.
Again, nobody said that Zoro will best Kaido in 1vs1, it is ridiculous to think that.
It is not Sanji who will finish him off because Sanji cant harm Kaido even if he was completely defeated laying on the ground...
Zoro can kill him while Kaido is still capable of fighting, he could kill him fresh too IF he were to land a clean slice but that wont happen until the end of the fight.
Queen isnt a small fry so bleeding from Queen is perfectly logical, he munched on him with his teeth...
Why is it bad that he took damage from Apoo? Everyone else within hearing range did the same...
Hawkins' nails? Zoro's body was never immune to nails.
Again, nobody said that Zoro will best Kaido in 1vs1, it is ridiculous to think that.
It is not Sanji who will finish him off because Sanji cant harm Kaido even if he was completely defeated laying on the ground...
Zoro can kill him while Kaido is still capable of fighting, he could kill him fresh too IF he were to land a clean slice but that wont happen until the end of the fight.
again its bad IF its intended for him to defeat Kaido... if you are saying its Many VS Kaido and many includes zoro in it then it isn't Zoro VS Kaido but Many VS Kaido and it shouldnt be said that Zoro will defeat Kaido, its as if 10 Scabbards attacking Kaido and we credit only Kinemon for Defeating him
Alright let's look at it this way,
Do you realise that there is no proof that Zoro can tank one of his own attacks. Like straight up if another Zoro were to throw a 3000 worlds attack on Zoro's abdomen, he will most likely get torn in half. This is something unique to Zoro among the monster trio. He's damage output vastly outmatches durability. Unless blocking is involved. There's a case for Zoro being able to block his own 3000 worlds attack if he manages to intercept with his swords and haki.
See most people don't expect Zoro to be able to tank a thunder bagua to the face or something. What's more likely is that at the very least he'll just block it with his swords or maybe even parry if he's that good. And of course the main thing has always been "Can Zoro even damage kaido?" And given the display that fuckin scabbards can damage kaido, I think it's pretty obvious Zoro can too. And remember, Zoro's damage output being vastly above his durability has always been how it's been.
So again, Zoro was tossed like a hundred meters and took damage but that's because that's what he is. He can't BLOCK A FALL. Get it? He's biggest source of defense for example in the kaido fight would be his ability to block or parry and that doesn't apply to falling does it? Like he can't block or parry the actual ground or gravity itself.
In fact we've even seen this before. Zoro vs Pica. Zoro can just cut Pica's entire mountain body and yet pica says "All I have to do is knock you off the rocks so that you fall to your death". Because of course that would damage him severely. It's a fall. Pica could've killed Zoro with any single one of his stone golem punches for the entire fight but Zoro was able to parry all of Pica''s attacks when it was Zoro vs the Golem. And yet at the very end, simply falling could've taken Zoro out because you can't block or parry a damn fall.
Understand now? You are using luffy mechanics to dictate what scenarios Zoro should or should not be able to survive. You even made a mistake since Apoo literally knocked luffy out yet you're claiming taking damage from Apoo automatic means you literally cannot compete with kaido in actual combat where all powers and techniques and environmental advantages and strategies apply
Do you realise that there is no proof that Zoro can tank one of his own attacks. Like straight up if another Zoro were to throw a 3000 worlds attack on Zoro's abdomen, he will most likely get torn in half. This is something unique to Zoro among the monster trio. He's damage output vastly outmatches durability. Unless blocking is involved. There's a case for Zoro being able to block his own 3000 worlds attack if he manages to intercept with his swords and haki.
See most people don't expect Zoro to be able to tank a thunder bagua to the face or something. What's more likely is that at the very least he'll just block it with his swords or maybe even parry if he's that good. And of course the main thing has always been "Can Zoro even damage kaido?" And given the display that fuckin scabbards can damage kaido, I think it's pretty obvious Zoro can too. And remember, Zoro's damage output being vastly above his durability has always been how it's been.
So again, Zoro was tossed like a hundred meters and took damage but that's because that's what he is. He can't BLOCK A FALL. Get it? He's biggest source of defense for example in the kaido fight would be his ability to block or parry and that doesn't apply to falling does it? Like he can't block or parry the actual ground or gravity itself.
In fact we've even seen this before. Zoro vs Pica. Zoro can just cut Pica's entire mountain body and yet pica says "All I have to do is knock you off the rocks so that you fall to your death". Because of course that would damage him severely. It's a fall. Pica could've killed Zoro with any single one of his stone golem punches for the entire fight but Zoro was able to parry all of Pica''s attacks when it was Zoro vs the Golem. And yet at the very end, simply falling could've taken Zoro out because you can't block or parry a damn fall.
Understand now? You are using luffy mechanics to dictate what scenarios Zoro should or should not be able to survive. You even made a mistake since Apoo literally knocked luffy out yet you're claiming taking damage from Apoo automatic means you literally cannot compete with kaido in actual combat where all powers and techniques and environmental advantages and strategies apply
luffy got ko by apoo
hurt by ulti
can t break ulti s grip
can t get past base yamato
huf huf against yamato
all those are one shot material for kaido
but but
zoro and nails queen killer
but but
and no one says zoro will 1v1 kaido
just a thing made by zoro haters
hurt by ulti
can t break ulti s grip
can t get past base yamato
huf huf against yamato
all those are one shot material for kaido
but but
zoro and nails queen killer
but but
and no one says zoro will 1v1 kaido
just a thing made by zoro haters
Others are unable to fight at all by then
@Minatoze Narutomaki
I don't get it, who exactly expects Zoro to literally clean 1v1 kaido. Like with no interference or switching out with other guys part way through or even combo attacks with other people.
Are you saying you think someone said Zoro vs Kaido is like a Daz vs Zoro fight? Who exactly said that?
I don't get it, who exactly expects Zoro to literally clean 1v1 kaido. Like with no interference or switching out with other guys part way through or even combo attacks with other people.
Are you saying you think someone said Zoro vs Kaido is like a Daz vs Zoro fight? Who exactly said that?
to make it clear, again It was VERY BAD portrayal of Luffy as well for taking damage from Apoo when Luffy knows whats gonna happen in future, this whole Onigashima is like Luffy doesnt have FS or AA at all....
Zoro has Armament, does he not ? isn't Armament supposed to block Blunt and edged attacks ? and as I said he was thrown at Oars, couldn't he just stopped himself exactly the same way he stopped himself mid air against Giant pekka when he was thrown by Orlombus ? of course he could, he could stop by countering and resisting the force of throwing by his own Sword or simply Protect himself using Armament .... or wait, is it that Zoro can use Armament only on his hands and Swords ?
meh thats no big deal then, what's with hyping then, Let Sanji and Jinbe in the fight as well then and since we know there isn't gonna be actual cutting heads since its shounen then maybe Jinbei or Sanji could get the honors of dealing last blow :yasu: (btw Orochi is exception since he is not dead :yasu:)
Zoro has Armament, does he not ? isn't Armament supposed to block Blunt and edged attacks ? and as I said he was thrown at Oars, couldn't he just stopped himself exactly the same way he stopped himself mid air against Giant pekka when he was thrown by Orlombus ? of course he could, he could stop by countering and resisting the force of throwing by his own Sword or simply Protect himself using Armament .... or wait, is it that Zoro can use Armament only on his hands and Swords ?
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meh thats no big deal then, what's with hyping then, Let Sanji and Jinbe in the fight as well then and since we know there isn't gonna be actual cutting heads since its shounen then maybe Jinbei or Sanji could get the honors of dealing last blow :yasu: (btw Orochi is exception since he is not dead :yasu:)
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Again what does it matter that these people take damage?
I mean are you saying that the damage luffy took from Apoo is actually going to matter when shit goes down with kaido? Is Zoro falling going to break one of his legs or arms or something?
Okay if you're talking "bad portrayal" then how come kiku could hurt kaido? I mean does that mean this is bad portrayal for Kaido. Does this mean EVERYONE had bad portrayal?
Maybe all the bad portrayal on both sides balances out in the end so that it doesn't matter then.
Anyway whatever. What will happen will happen despite your ideas of portrayal
I mean are you saying that the damage luffy took from Apoo is actually going to matter when shit goes down with kaido? Is Zoro falling going to break one of his legs or arms or something?
Okay if you're talking "bad portrayal" then how come kiku could hurt kaido? I mean does that mean this is bad portrayal for Kaido. Does this mean EVERYONE had bad portrayal?
Maybe all the bad portrayal on both sides balances out in the end so that it doesn't matter then.
Anyway whatever. What will happen will happen despite your ideas of portrayal
haha you tell me about that, when it was said nothing could cut him when Marines tried to behead him and so executions couldn't be performend and no sword could cut him except Enma and then comes Kiku Piercing him right away.... you tell me what that means
Sanji has Artificial Hardening Though, Suit is of the best Hardening out there and not only that, suit accelerates attacks as well.... Sanji's Suit is the best weapon in OnePiece, only Pluton or Uranus might be able to match its strength :yasu:
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Sanji has Artificial Hardening Though, Suit is of the best Hardening out there and not only that, suit accelerates attacks as well.... Sanji's Suit is the best weapon in OnePiece, only Pluton or Uranus might be able to match its strength :yasu:
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How many times Luffy lost to Ace and Sabo in 1v1 fight, probably not 2000 times. Yeah losing to Mihawk was a long time ago. If he lost one time pre timekip i want him to lose one time postimeskip. Do people not want Zoro to be defeated because of his promise or they are just scared that some Sanji fans will use that to talkshit?
Why should he lose post time skip then according to you?
Remember losses to Zoro don't work like they do to Luffy. For example Luffy in Alabasta fights someone he cannot even harm THREE times and loses twice before he can win through complete grit and determination. Zoro in Alabasta ALSO fights someone he cannot even harm and immediately unlocks armament hakim and bears him first time.
See the reasons other people lose fights don't apply to Zoro in this story because he's the only character who is defined by winning fights. You can say Luffy lost to crocodile because he could not harm him so Zoro should lose to Daz bones because he could not harm him but that's wrong. Zoro still won despite being in a similar situation to Luffy.
Therefore when Zoro loses to Mihawk, there's a VERY good reason. It's not just typical shit like Mihawk was too strong. Those are the reason people like Luffy would lose to someone. They don't apply to Zoro because the story is written differently for different characters.
So when Zoro lost to Mihawk the primary reason was Zoro did not understand how big the world is and had to learn that. Zoro has understood how far he is from the very top and that's stayed with him for the whole journey.
Now if Zoro is to lose again right now in Wano when we are a few years from the end of the series, what is the big reason this time? Remember it can't be some cheap reason like 'this guy was just too strong', Zoro's already lost to Mihawk who is stronger than everybody Zoro will fight so it's redundant to say that's the reason he's losing now. So what do you think is a good reason why Zoro should lose right now?
Remember losses to Zoro don't work like they do to Luffy. For example Luffy in Alabasta fights someone he cannot even harm THREE times and loses twice before he can win through complete grit and determination. Zoro in Alabasta ALSO fights someone he cannot even harm and immediately unlocks armament hakim and bears him first time.
See the reasons other people lose fights don't apply to Zoro in this story because he's the only character who is defined by winning fights. You can say Luffy lost to crocodile because he could not harm him so Zoro should lose to Daz bones because he could not harm him but that's wrong. Zoro still won despite being in a similar situation to Luffy.
Therefore when Zoro loses to Mihawk, there's a VERY good reason. It's not just typical shit like Mihawk was too strong. Those are the reason people like Luffy would lose to someone. They don't apply to Zoro because the story is written differently for different characters.
So when Zoro lost to Mihawk the primary reason was Zoro did not understand how big the world is and had to learn that. Zoro has understood how far he is from the very top and that's stayed with him for the whole journey.
Now if Zoro is to lose again right now in Wano when we are a few years from the end of the series, what is the big reason this time? Remember it can't be some cheap reason like 'this guy was just too strong', Zoro's already lost to Mihawk who is stronger than everybody Zoro will fight so it's redundant to say that's the reason he's losing now. So what do you think is a good reason why Zoro should lose right now?
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