You said they need to fight P1 and Ulti to grow stronger, but you didn't explain how they gonna do it. Nami and Usopp never grew from fights like Luffy, Zoro, Sanji but through different methods. Usopp could add kairoseki (we are in the land where its being made) to his sniping to be able to fight DF users, Nami with homies. Ulti and P1 are stronger, faster, have both haki types and a physical DF. Eventually they would land hits and that's something Nami and Usopp can't tank a lot of. Not good matchups for them, unless like I said Oda makes it so that they never get hit. Which is BS
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They'd become better fighters by acquiring experience fighting & defeating yonkou top dogs. Haki also improve when someone is in a pinch, perfect for Usopp. The fact so many people believe they can't win is what makes it the perfect match-up. You certaintly don't get better by gettinng stuck fighting nameless mooks or some irrelevant headliner fodder like powerscalers want
Everytime straw hats get stronger after every island as Zoro said. Nami literally learned to use her climat tact through her fight against Doublefinger. Then made up new attacks with the perfect one against Kalifa. Not a straight fight but Usopp unlocked COO trying to snipe Sugar.
Nami getting to try her new CT and Usopp his COO in a fight against strong opponents is a perfect tool to progress. Heck, they might even be able to find a way to combine weather and plants together. "Getting stronger" isn't just getting more physical strenght.
Nami getting to try her new CT and Usopp his COO in a fight against strong opponents is a perfect tool to progress. Heck, they might even be able to find a way to combine weather and plants together. "Getting stronger" isn't just getting more physical strenght.
I still think that new team members will mostly be accepted on the basis of race. The first 4 are ordinary people. The second 4 are unusual people. Third 4 - inhumans(more precisely, people of a different race).
Such thoughts are based on the fact that the World Government destroyed certain races - the King race, the three-eyed race(perhaps), oppressed the Fishmen and the Tontatta tribe, etc. In the end, there will be a war with the WG, a war of ideologies.
first 4 - all four of them do not have any physical changes and can be positioned as ordinary people.
second 4 - if it wasn't for Franky, it could be said that their bodies had undergone changes due to the influence of the DF. However, Franky himself changed his body, making himself a Cyborg.
Third 4 - The first member is a Fishman. 2nd I think will be Mink\Oni. 3rd/4rd someone from Sky people. 3rd/4rd - ?
Come to think of it, who else is in her team / fleet?
Hajrudin and his team - Giants
Leo and his team - Dwarfs
Ideo and Blue Gilly - Longarm and Longleg
If you remember the list of slaves on Sabaody, almost everything is already in the list. Missing from the list of Minks, Snakeneck, Merfolk and other race.
With a stretch here still write Shirahoshi/Poseidon - Merfolk.
Some Minks will join probably after Wano.
Such thoughts are based on the fact that the World Government destroyed certain races - the King race, the three-eyed race(perhaps), oppressed the Fishmen and the Tontatta tribe, etc. In the end, there will be a war with the WG, a war of ideologies.
first 4 - all four of them do not have any physical changes and can be positioned as ordinary people.
second 4 - if it wasn't for Franky, it could be said that their bodies had undergone changes due to the influence of the DF. However, Franky himself changed his body, making himself a Cyborg.
Third 4 - The first member is a Fishman. 2nd I think will be Mink\Oni. 3rd/4rd someone from Sky people. 3rd/4rd - ?
Come to think of it, who else is in her team / fleet?
Hajrudin and his team - Giants
Leo and his team - Dwarfs
Ideo and Blue Gilly - Longarm and Longleg
If you remember the list of slaves on Sabaody, almost everything is already in the list. Missing from the list of Minks, Snakeneck, Merfolk and other race.
With a stretch here still write Shirahoshi/Poseidon - Merfolk.
Some Minks will join probably after Wano.
Nami could have learned to use it before/after, the fight wasn't necessary for it. She got her new one on Zou, she had enough time to learn all about it. Oda had to give her Zeus to boost her. And it's true that haki grows in extreme situations, it's how Usopp and Coby unlocked it. But this isn't a fight for it. The opponent is a physical monster and Usopp lacks the firepower to last long enough (unless Oda gave him kairoseki already, since P1 is a DF user) to win. You're right that getting stronger isn't getting more physical which is exactly why these matchups are pointless for Nami and Usopp. They have little to gain
First version of climat tact seemed to be a near useless toy, if this wasn't in a life or death situation where she was forced to win chances are that she wouldn't have tried hard to make it a working weapon. Like, Zoro would have still learned to cut steel (since every decent swordsman can do it) without fighting Mr.1 but that fight made him develop the skill quicker.
As you said the dino siblings are very durable, too much to get knocked out by the cowards duo classical attacks. Meaning they will have to use their brain to find a way to overcome apparently unbeatable enemies by making up new attacks (combining different weather effects for Nami, plants for Usopp?), combo (plants and weather, there's a way for oda to make it work ) and trickery = progress as a fighters and as a duo in addition to the experience gained facing top fighters. And there is a whole lot of to gain just in term of prestige.
I perfectly understand being skeptic on their abilities to defeat topi roppo, I myself wouldn't bet on them doing it alone. But if they do it I believe this will help them as fighters by the virtue of having to overcome such odds. Even with the help of plot, there's still that highlighted ancient zoan power and thoughness to overcome.
As you said the dino siblings are very durable, too much to get knocked out by the cowards duo classical attacks. Meaning they will have to use their brain to find a way to overcome apparently unbeatable enemies by making up new attacks (combining different weather effects for Nami, plants for Usopp?), combo (plants and weather, there's a way for oda to make it work ) and trickery = progress as a fighters and as a duo in addition to the experience gained facing top fighters. And there is a whole lot of to gain just in term of prestige.
I perfectly understand being skeptic on their abilities to defeat topi roppo, I myself wouldn't bet on them doing it alone. But if they do it I believe this will help them as fighters by the virtue of having to overcome such odds. Even with the help of plot, there's still that highlighted ancient zoan power and thoughness to overcome.
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The thing that bothers me the most is that none of the Supernovas outside of maybe the Kidd and Apoo are even trying to expand their Influence. Law was in Dressrossa Zou and now in Wano yet he's acting like he doesn't give a shit while Luffy is expanding his large pool of allies left and right, would it kill him to try to get closer to Inu/Neko so that the Minks would be potential allies for the heart pirates in the future? No he just stands there as if he doesn't care which goes against his pre Timeskip portrayal that showed him as an opportunist
I hope Apoo leaves Wano with the Numbers honestly
I hope Apoo leaves Wano with the Numbers honestly
Why didn’t Sanji and luffy Try save Nami and ussop themselves? Since you see the fight to be impossible for them handle. Why didn’t other character step in order help them Or save them? It might be possible Oda has some creative way On how to deal with their opponents. It takes more than just brute force to win a fight it sometimes requires strategy and Outsmarting their opponents.
You forget that this fandom has people who powerscale every character and don't realize that a battle in One Piece is simply narrative driven more than being a battle shonen. That's why One Piece fights don't typically have the crazy choreography that some other series may have. If Oda wants to buff Usopp and Nami to handle Page One and Ulti, then he will. Also, we don't know their complete arsenal. This isn't just limited to Usopp and Nami. We should see the full capabilities of everyone in the crew.
But honestly speaking, this isn't the thread to talk about things like this.
But honestly speaking, this isn't the thread to talk about things like this.
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