ONE PIECE CHAPTER 993: WANO KUNI'S DREAM

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Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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PurpleSwordsman said:
Based on Zoroliebers headcannon, Zoro currently is Luffy lvl, or above him, or Oden lvl, or above him, or he is going to kill Kaido, etc. It's not pretty clear, you can't define it as it is some imaginary stuff after all.

So the beetle guy is a random for those kind of characters = Zoro must have destroyed him with his eye alone.

That's the point.
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How is it imaginary?

Luffy and Zoro clashed equally at the beginning of the manga.

You have Zoro one shotting Kaku, an opponent not meant to be an utter fodder to Lucci who is in return extreme diffed by Luffy. Both were exhausted, not just Kaku, the fact Asura annihilated him so quickly stands. Expecially when Kaku wasn't even injured till then.

Luffy undergoes 1 haki training + another one on Wano, Zoro does the same.

Luffy and Zoro have always been portrayed as equals actually.
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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sanjikun said:
Zoro/Hiyori is the theme of Shimotsuki/Kozuki alliance (see Yasuie), not that Zoro will become a Kozuki like Oden,
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I am gonna be honest with you, I know you are one of the biggest Luffy wankers on the forum (either that or its just a big Doffy shadow wank) but Wano is ending with Kaido getting his head taken off his shoulders and its getting done at the hands of Zoro.

That's more than just a prediction, its pretty much a spoiler.
If you don't like that ending, better learn to cope with it right now then to be utterly disappointed when it happens. Whether you like it or not, that's set in stone.
 
PurpleSwordsman

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Finalbeta said:
How is it imaginary?

Luffy and Zoro clashed equally at the beginning of the manga.

You have Zoro one shotting Kaku, an opponent not meant to be an utter fodder to Lucci who is in return extreme diffed by Luffy. Both were exhausted, not just Kaku, the fact Asura annihilated him so quickly stands. Expecially when Kaku wasn't even injured till then.

Luffy undergoes 1 haki training + another one on Wano, Zoro does the same.

Luffy and Zoro have always been portrayed as equals actually.
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This is not debatable. And I don't to repeat myself everytime about this. The manga is already pretty clear about this.
Zoro and Luffy were not in the same lvl never and never will be. Luffy is the captain, he is above all his members combined.

The only thing which you may see somthing like "equality" between them is their relation, they always had that bond more special than with any other strawhat, like Crocodile with Mr.1, Lucci with Kaku, Smoker and Tashigi, etc, typical in Captain and Vicecaptain relationships or a Boss and his righthand subordinate.
 
Finalbeta

Finalbeta

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PurpleSwordsman said:
This is not debatable. And I don't to repeat myself everytime about this. The manga is already pretty clear about this.
Zoro and Luffy were not in the same lvl never and never will be. Luffy is the captain, he is above all his members combined.

The only thing which you may see somthing like "equality" between them is their relation, they always had that bond more special than with any other strawhat, like Crocodile with Mr.1, Lucci with Kaku, Smoker and Tashigi, etc, typical in Captain and Vicecaptain relationships or a Boss and his righthand subordinate.
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The manga shows the facts I mentioned actually, there's nothing to debate here honestly.
You can't flesh out contents that werealready fleshed out.
The best you can hope for is believing that Kaku was less than a one shot material for Lucci.

That being said, the manga also points toward Kaido and Big Mom both falling soon, since there's no time to make a big deal out of Elbaf. 2 yonko are not going down in the same arc if you don't have enough firepower to bring them down and we know in advance who Luffy will go for. He isn't taking down 2.
 
PurpleSwordsman

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Finalbeta said:
The manga shows the facts I mentioned actually, there's nothing to debate here honestly.
You can't flesh out contents that werealready fleshed out.
The best you can hope for is believing that Kaku was less than a one shot material for Lucci.

That being said, the manga also points toward Kaido and Big Mom both falling soon, since there's no time to make a big deal out of Elbaf. 2 yonko are not going down in the same arc if you don't have enough firepower to bring them down and we know in advance who Luffy will go for. He isn't taking down 2.
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No, Luffy won't take down both of them in this arc, that is pure delusion.

And you ignored that Oda gave numbers to CP9, the powerlvls are established there and won't change. But you ignored conveniently, like the others.
The other arguments are easily rebuttables or are not even arguments, like, Luffy and Zoro had Haki training, so what? xDDD
Don't expect more answer about this.
 
ShishioIsBack

ShishioIsBack

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#547
PurpleSwordsman said:
This is not debatable. And I don't to repeat myself everytime about this. The manga is already pretty clear about this.
Zoro and Luffy were not in the same lvl never and never will be. Luffy is the captain, he is above all his members combined.

The only thing which you may see somthing like "equality" between them is their relation, they always had that bond more special than with any other strawhat, like Crocodile with Mr.1, Lucci with Kaku, Smoker and Tashigi, etc, typical in Captain and Vicecaptain relationships or a Boss and his righthand subordinate.
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Zoro shits on Luffy
 
Guymieux

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PurpleSwordsman said:
No, Luffy won't take down both of them in this arc, that is pure delusion.

And you ignored that Oda gave numbers to CP9, the powerlvls are established there and won't change. But you ignored conveniently, like the others.
The other arguments are easily rebuttables or are not even arguments, like, Luffy and Zoro had Haki training, so what? xDDD
Don't expect more answer about this.
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Oh so you’re desperately clinging on to doruki numbers! Kaku was a swordsman all doruki measures is physical strength. Swords plus strength is where a swordman true value lies. Luffy is far stronger then kinemon but due to kinemon being a sword master with ryou he’s able to do more damage to kaido then luffy who just beat a 1st commander . Zoro is leagues beyond kinemon . Zoro would have been able to harm kaido straight out of the timeskip while luffy can’t . Take your terrible powerscaling back to your Sanji fan club . Clearly this children manga is to much for you to keep up with
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Ravagerblade said:
Time to wake up, You dreaming.
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Zoro could harm kaido fresh out of the timeskip meanwhile lufffy couldn’t . That’s facts
 
Ravagerblade

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Guymieux said:
Oh so you’re desperately clinging on to doruki numbers! Kaku was a swordsman all doruki measures is physical strength. Swords plus strength is where a swordman true value lies. Luffy is far stronger then kinemon but due to kinemon being a sword master with ryou he’s able to do more damage to kaido then luffy who just beat a 1st commander . Zoro is leagues beyond kinemon . Zoro would have been able to harm kaido straight out of the timeskip while luffy can’t . Take your terrible powerscaling back to your Sanji fan club . Clearly this children manga is to much for you to keep up with
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Zoro could harm kaido fresh out of the timeskip meanwhile lufffy couldn’t . That’s facts
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hahaha. Stop kidding yourself. You know that's a lie. Your wanking bias is getting in the way of Objective analysis.
 
Guymieux

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Jaguark101 said:
What's your proof? Apart from headcanon.
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Do you not understand that zoro was stronger then kinemon since the time skip and had better ryou? Kinemon who is weaker then zoro by far was able to hurt kaido. Is this not a simple enough train of evidence for you to follow?
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Ravagerblade said:
hahaha. Stop kidding yourself. You know that's a lie. Your wanking bias is getting in the way of Objective analysis.
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Zoro was always stronger with better ryou then kinemon . Are you delusional ? Then again you are the genius that said he wants brook to get enma so I understand
 
nik87

nik87

Kitetsu Wanker
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It's ok for people to underestimate Zoro, they want to be surprised by him. :catsure:
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Jaguark101 said:
Show me manga proof that zoro's armament haki was Stronger at the start of the timeskip than Luffy who trained 2 years with the pirate kings right hand man.
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Training with a fragile old man for 2 weeks > training with PK's right hand man for 1.5 years.
 
Ravagerblade

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Guymieux said:
Do you not understand that zoro was stronger then kinemon since the time skip and had better ryou? Kinemon who is weaker then zoro by far was able to hurt kaido. Is this not a simple enough train of evidence for you to follow?
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Zoro was always stronger with better ryou then kinemon . Are you delusional ? Then again you are the genius that said he wants brook to get enma so I understand
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Yeah I said that. So what. I don't think Zoro deserves it. He fucking gave Shusui back... He aint no fucking pirate.
And Again you have no Objective Analysis, So Just stop talking.
 
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