Current Events Kaido is stronger than Lolden and the Sheaths
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Its there for anyone to see that Kaidos dragon form is useless and barely top tier level. He is simply a huge punchbag and a dream to fight against. Especially for a strong swordsman who has a huge target to go at. Kaido had to be in his dragon form for Oden to scar him.
Sneaky attack or not. Base Kaido finished off Oden with a single hit.
Sneaky attack or not. Base Kaido finished off Oden with a single hit.
It's almost as if Oda wants him to be a big target so he could show off the scabbard's abilities and give them hope, but also his durability, only for him to then turn the tables and show off why his Dragon form is truly a force of nature.
The arc is far from over so this thread just feels like venting.
The arc is far from over so this thread just feels like venting.
These past current chapters have been shite for Kaido...but people actually are wanking Oden and the Scarrbards more when theyre actually trash.
Kaido's Dragon form is the weakest jobber form a Top Tier can ever get.
- He's slow af
- He's big af
- He has no range with his limbs
- He only has one attack that can be countered in many ways.
Ffs let the Low Trio and Mid Trio jump him....and he will be in a worst state than hes in with the scarbards.
Kaido wont be able to do shit until he gets into Base or even maybe Hybrid. I doubt he'll even need Hybrid tbh. But anyways its obvious Oda is nerfing tf outta him for the sake of tension. And now people are taking the bait and wanking the Sheaths.
People jumping to conclusions cause a couple of mid tiers can jump Kaido in his slowest weakest form....
Lets recap......
What happened after Oden landed his hit....Kaido reverted to base and oneshotted him.
What happened after Luffy landed all his hits.....Kaido reverted to base and oneshotted him.
Like I dont like how retarded Oda is making Kaido...like which Zoan even fight in Full Zoan form. What chance would Lucci have against Luffy, if he was in Full Zoan form the entire fight. The fight aint fair cause Oda is just nerfing him.
- Anyways I feel like this is the reason why Oda is making not only Kaido, but the entire Beast Pirates into retards. The true reason why all of these dudes fight in Full Zoan is cause Oda doesnt want to reveal their Hyrbids yet. Hes probably saving it for the SH fights. But he also doesnt want them to fight in Base since it'd be lame if they didnt use their DFs in a fight.
So all thats left is to make them fight in Full Zoan. Which the weakest and shittest form anyways.
Anyways how this shit is gonna end is Kaido going into base and oneshotting all of these fools. Or Kaido finally revealing hie Hyrbrid....and oneshotting them. Either way they finally landed their scar in Oden....and finally mirrorer him. And symbolic potrayall...yada yada... who tf cares.
Kaido is oneshotting them next chapter.
Kaido's Dragon form is the weakest jobber form a Top Tier can ever get.
- He's slow af
- He's big af
- He has no range with his limbs
- He only has one attack that can be countered in many ways.
Ffs let the Low Trio and Mid Trio jump him....and he will be in a worst state than hes in with the scarbards.
Kaido wont be able to do shit until he gets into Base or even maybe Hybrid. I doubt he'll even need Hybrid tbh. But anyways its obvious Oda is nerfing tf outta him for the sake of tension. And now people are taking the bait and wanking the Sheaths.
People jumping to conclusions cause a couple of mid tiers can jump Kaido in his slowest weakest form....
Lets recap......
What happened after Oden landed his hit....Kaido reverted to base and oneshotted him.
What happened after Luffy landed all his hits.....Kaido reverted to base and oneshotted him.
Like I dont like how retarded Oda is making Kaido...like which Zoan even fight in Full Zoan form. What chance would Lucci have against Luffy, if he was in Full Zoan form the entire fight. The fight aint fair cause Oda is just nerfing him.
- Anyways I feel like this is the reason why Oda is making not only Kaido, but the entire Beast Pirates into retards. The true reason why all of these dudes fight in Full Zoan is cause Oda doesnt want to reveal their Hyrbids yet. Hes probably saving it for the SH fights. But he also doesnt want them to fight in Base since it'd be lame if they didnt use their DFs in a fight.
So all thats left is to make them fight in Full Zoan. Which the weakest and shittest form anyways.
Anyways how this shit is gonna end is Kaido going into base and oneshotting all of these fools. Or Kaido finally revealing hie Hyrbrid....and oneshotting them. Either way they finally landed their scar in Oden....and finally mirrorer him. And symbolic potrayall...yada yada... who tf cares.
Kaido is oneshotting them next chapter.
Because the majority of this forum is either a kids or narutard
They dont appreciate one piece as much as the original reader
Every veteran readers know zoan hybrid is strongest form most of zoan fights vs shp is in hybrid mode
If kaido can do so much damage with his animal form then imagine how strong he is when using hybrid
Also notice every chapter or spoiler is just a bait to trigger zoro vs sanji over and over again, its getting old
#smh
Kaido will clap all of them one by one next couple of chapters boys!!!!!
I can't wait 
I can't wait
K
How can you be so sure? the kaido blades had no trajectories, they were created in a short space of time, amid their roar, it is something invisible that only appeared in the painting for the reader to see. It's hard to dodge something you don't know, the trajectory is different from a sword attack.It is difficult to avoid something that you do not know, the trajectory is different,
a sword attack has a trajectory in which it is noticeable by the enemy from beginning to end, if the opponent is focused on what the enemy is doing, but kiku did not notice it here even though it is focused.
a sword attack has a trajectory in which it is noticeable by the enemy from beginning to end, if the opponent is focused on what the enemy is doing, but kiku did not notice it here even though it is focused.
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Well I'm fairly confident that a more experienced Scabbard would have avoided it, let's say Kinemon. The attack was pretty tricky but not inevitable and overall it is pretty logical to believe that Oda would not have had Kinemon get his arm cut so easily.
I'm not entirely sure about someone on Vice Admiral level, I can see Kinemon stronger than most Vice Admirals.
But I think someone like Momonga would have avoided it, or Onigumo.
I'm not entirely sure about someone on Vice Admiral level, I can see Kinemon stronger than most Vice Admirals.
But I think someone like Momonga would have avoided it, or Onigumo.
And, logic lesson. Kaido "getting stronger" does not mean he's surpassed Oden. Oden looked noticeably stronger than Kaido in the day. The only thing even putting them close is when Kaido blocked Oden from killing Orochi.
However, we know clash =/= equal, just have to be somewhat close. If Oden was 30% stronger then, now he might be only 10% stronger, and by Kaido's own words he's admitting his own inferiority even now.
However, we know clash =/= equal, just have to be somewhat close. If Oden was 30% stronger then, now he might be only 10% stronger, and by Kaido's own words he's admitting his own inferiority even now.
I doubt Kaido got any stronger. He back then was already at an age you would consider prime. And the narrative is that the scabbards try to finish what Oden couldn't. Wouldn't have much meaning if Kaido grew yet stronger. Which is even more evident by the fact that he is still suffering from the Trauma Oden gave him and acknowledges all the time how monstrous Oden is.
With wb, bringing up shanks vs mihawk and not shanks vs any yonko when talking about shanks rise to becoming a yonko,
with the wb pirates not knowing the situation on wano was so bad
with kaido bothered by oden THIS MUCH
and meme being pregnant constantly until about 8 years ago with her self parked in totland and not seeing kaido at least in decadeds
It all heavily points against the yonko fighting each other pre luffys journey.
with the wb pirates not knowing the situation on wano was so bad
with kaido bothered by oden THIS MUCH
and meme being pregnant constantly until about 8 years ago with her self parked in totland and not seeing kaido at least in decadeds
It all heavily points against the yonko fighting each other pre luffys journey.
All in all it solely depends on how Oda will use that "all out haki" usage. Will it end up as a plain attack power boost or will it addtionally heighten the cutting efficiency of its users.
It's a difficult topic tbh. The sword slashes of Cracker's amour could not pierce Luffy's haki, but still sent him flying. Cracker in base, with the orginial pretzel, instead could pierce his haki, even though he's phyiscally prolly much weaker than his gigantic armour. Indicating that the respective durabilties matter much more than plain attack power in "sword slash" scenarios.
But in this case the AP boosting quirk is (Oden's-) haki aswell. So it's an iffy one.
We imo basically got two options here:
1) Oden's all out haki game does boost his cutting efficiency aswell and therefore he cleaves through Kaido's haki and wins this.
2) It doesn't do that and in a clash of named attacks we therefore have "Oden with his initial haki strength (the actual hardening on his swords) + the addtional, AP boosting haki around his blades" against "Kaido and his haki + his far superior strength in hybrid/awakened form". In which the winner would rather be decided by who has the more powerful attack.
I personally still lean more towards option 2, cause this way you got "initial haki strength" vs "initial haki strength" (a clash of CoA hardening), with different attack power boosting methods. A concept much easier to balance out. It could probably also give black blades more meaning this way (heightend durability-> better cutting efficiency).
And cause otherwise - with option 1- stat monsters like BM and especially Kaido would by default always lose against better CoA users that wield a blade. Means that Roger, non Gura Primbeard, Shanks, Mihawk, Oden and nowadays Zoro prolly aswell, could just walk towards them with their blades fully eveloped in haki and cut them down. They would ,realistically speaking, have no way to defend themselves, cause all their physical might would mean jackshit in front of that big amount of haki. I dunno, it doesn't sounds right.
It's a difficult topic tbh. The sword slashes of Cracker's amour could not pierce Luffy's haki, but still sent him flying. Cracker in base, with the orginial pretzel, instead could pierce his haki, even though he's phyiscally prolly much weaker than his gigantic armour. Indicating that the respective durabilties matter much more than plain attack power in "sword slash" scenarios.
But in this case the AP boosting quirk is (Oden's-) haki aswell. So it's an iffy one.
We imo basically got two options here:
1) Oden's all out haki game does boost his cutting efficiency aswell and therefore he cleaves through Kaido's haki and wins this.
2) It doesn't do that and in a clash of named attacks we therefore have "Oden with his initial haki strength (the actual hardening on his swords) + the addtional, AP boosting haki around his blades" against "Kaido and his haki + his far superior strength in hybrid/awakened form". In which the winner would rather be decided by who has the more powerful attack.
I personally still lean more towards option 2, cause this way you got "initial haki strength" vs "initial haki strength" (a clash of CoA hardening), with different attack power boosting methods. A concept much easier to balance out. It could probably also give black blades more meaning this way (heightend durability-> better cutting efficiency).
And cause otherwise - with option 1- stat monsters like BM and especially Kaido would by default always lose against better CoA users that wield a blade. Means that Roger, non Gura Primbeard, Shanks, Mihawk, Oden and nowadays Zoro prolly aswell, could just walk towards them with their blades fully eveloped in haki and cut them down. They would ,realistically speaking, have no way to defend themselves, cause all their physical might would mean jackshit in front of that big amount of haki. I dunno, it doesn't sounds right.
Kaido didn't even use Hybrid. He used his Dragon form where base luffy, all scabbards dodged or coutered it. Stop it Dragon form is ass.
The point is Kaido speed, which he could never do in Dragon form.
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Ive been rereading those chapters for other threads and have seen this
From shinobus view who was spying on them it was nothing more than a single clash before orochi stepped in. Like you say hardly representable of a proper fight between the two.
From shinobus view who was spying on them it was nothing more than a single clash before orochi stepped in. Like you say hardly representable of a proper fight between the two.