Questions & Mysteries Who is the traitor?

[Tyki_Mikk]

One major argument who speak totally for Kanjuro beeing a traitor.
When Momosuke,Kanjuro,Raizai and Kinemon left Wano, they split up in groups and Raizo land in Zou. Only someone who was their could tell this to Orochi and Kaido. Why Jack was after Raizo? Where he know that Raizo was split up with the other ones? Vivrecard can´t be the reason, otherwise they would easily find Raizo in zou without searching him.

I watch this video and most like agree with him:

From all arguments, the one with Raizo and Zou is the most point which let me believe that Kanjuro is the traitor. Either Shinobu,Okiki or someone else could know that Raizo was split up with the others. Only one of the group(Kanjuro,Kinemon and Momo) know that Raizo was split up and lead to Zou. The other arguments are good aswell, Yasuie get caught after Kanjuro/Shinobu hear about him, the same with Hawkins and xDrake with Nami and co. Everytime Kanjuro was alongside with them, yet he do nothing important yet.

Either Shinobu or Kanjuro and I would my all money for Kanjuro.

 

[dizzy2341]

One major argument who speak totally for Kanjuro beeing a traitor.
When Momosuke,Kanjuro,Raizai and Kinemon left Wano, they split up in groups and Raizo land in Zou. Only someone who was their could tell this to Orochi and Kaido. Why Jack was after Raizo? Where he know that Raizo was split up with the other ones? Vivrecard can´t be the reason, otherwise they would easily find Raizo in zou without searching him.

I watch this video and most like agree with him:

From all arguments, the one with Raizo and Zou is the most point which let me believe that Kanjuro is the traitor. Either Shinobu,Okiki or someone else could know that Raizo was split up with the others. Only one of the group(Kanjuro,Kinemon and Momo) know that Raizo was split up and lead to Zou. The other arguments are good aswell, Yasuie get caught after Kanjuro/Shinobu hear about him, the same with Hawkins and xDrake with Nami and co. Everytime Kanjuro was alongside with them, yet he do nothing important yet.

Either Shinobu or Kanjuro and I would my all money for Kanjuro.

Every single mink on Zou knew that Raizou, and Raizou alone made it to Zou.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

Every single mink on Zou knew that Raizou, and Raizou alone made it to Zou.

I know but be honest I can´t see a Mink do something like this when all of them get attacked by Jack and when Yasuie get caught, no Mink was around the troup. When Nami and co get caught in Flower capital by xDrake and Basil, only Shinobu,Kanjuro and Brook was along them. Because that I don´t think any Mink has do with the traitor think. In other point, Jack only search Raizo which means he was knowing that Raizo was split up with the others. And as I said it again, with this it can only be a Mink, Kanjuro or Kinemon and be honest, I don´t think either Kinemon or a Mink are the traitor. At this point Kanjuro make really sense.

 

[dizzy2341]

I know but be honest I can´t see a Mink do something like this when all of them get attacked by Jack and when Yasuie get caught, no Mink was around the troup. When Nami and co get caught in Flower capital by xDrake and Basil, only Shinobu,Kanjuro and Brook was along them. Because that I don´t think any Mink has do with the traitor think. In other point, Jack only search Raizo which means he was knowing that Raizo was split up with the others. And as I said it again, with this it can only be a Mink, Kanjuro or Kinemon and be honest, I don´t think either Kinemon or a Mink are the traitor. At this point Kanjuro make really sense.

Yasu let himself get caught so he could use the opportunity to help the alliance by spreading a message on a big stage. Had nothing to do with Kanjuro, he intentionally went to go steal, posing as the witching hour boy so that he could get captured.

Drake and Hawkins were checking places where it would be easy to see the crescent moon tattoo. They never mentioned anything about the skirmish at Orochi's castle. If Kanjuro was the traitor, then he would've done a lousy job because he would know that none of the straw hats would have that mark and hence wouldn't get captured.

Not to mention, the crescent moon mark was something Kanjuro had known for ages. Orochi only recently found out what it meant.

 

[Sadistic Senpai]

Why shouldn't she?

Even if She don't cry, she don't need smile like that lol

Honestly, that's the face of "Acceptance" and letting go, while remembering the goodness this person has done. At least that's how I interpret it. Carrot to me moved on

I have a another point which I get from a youtuber:

Why wasn´t Kanjuro on this list? Doffy probably should know that Kanjuro was free, why he don´t give him bounty stars aswell? Why Kanjuro drawing a Dragon instand of drawing a Tiger or other animal when they climp Zou? At this point only the troup of Kanjuro,Okiku and co can be the traitor because of the Zou thing with Raizao...

In otherway I like the arguments of @dizzy2341 and ask myself if Kanjuro is really the traitor, some points doesn´t would make any sense...

NO NO NO.
I want to be fair here. I did not include this simply because at this moment, I'm pretty sure that Kinemon has yet to rescue Kanjuro. I'm very positive that the moment Doffy declared the names, Kinemon still didn't free Kanjuro

After all, when I include clues regarding Kanjuro, I truly am trying to seek the traitor hahaha.

I'm very lazy to go back to the chapters to check, but I'm very positive Kinemon still was looking for Kanjuro at that time, if I recall correctly. So there was no need for Doffy to put a bounty on a person who he has in prison anyway. That's why I dismissed that point

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1174005890090823681

Let see with theory Artur coming up.

 

[King7]

It's that painter man

also i read Wano is meant as a reference to Tokugawa Japan and during it there was a painter who was a traitor for the Shogun

 

[Diamond]

Kanjuro is obviously a good choice. While the motive isn't entirely clear, he definitely is in a position to pull off the traitor card and it be believable.

However, something in my gut tells that traitor Kanjuro just doesn't feel right. Maybe that's just me not wanting goofy lil' Kanjuro to be the bad guy, but perhaps that's how Oda planned it. On the other hand, I'm still kind of suspicious it's a member of the Heart Pirates; after all good story telling always has the bad guy be someone you'd least suspect. What better way to compromise the alliance than have one of Law's men be a traitorous swine and Shinobu be right, hah! Well in any scenario, I can't wait to see what Oda brings to the story! :whistle:

 

[PeperLevi]

:cry:I'm so damn happy that finally there is peoples putting that damn rabbit girl in her place!

 

[Zenos7]

I have a another point which I get from a youtuber:

Why wasn´t Kanjuro on this list? Doffy probably should know that Kanjuro was free, why he don´t give him bounty stars aswell? Why Kanjuro drawing a Dragon instand of drawing a Tiger or other animal when they climp Zou? At this point only the troup of Kanjuro,Okiku and co can be the traitor because of the Zou thing with Raizao...

In otherway I like the arguments of @dizzy2341 and ask myself if Kanjuro is really the traitor, some points doesn´t would make any sense...

kanjuro did draw a tiger, a cat and a dragon at zou, didnt he?

 

[Longleg Larry]

I think the traitor is Kinemon. Don’t worry, we’ll still get to like him. Orochi has goons on his wife 24/7. If he took her hostage/threatens her life, then he has Kinemon & the rest of Wano by the nuts. If Oda really wants to drive it home, he could make her pregnant (bonus points for twins)

 

[PuckTheGreat]

The current chapter re-affirms for me that Neko is the traitor (potentially Kiku as well making two)

Noticed this a while back and posted it on Oro, but it didn't get a lot of traction sadly. Take a look at the following images:

Kyoshiro's yukata:

Fukurokuju's Yukata:

Kamazou's Yukata:

Mimawarigumi Captain:

Random Subordinate 1:

Random subordinate 2:

Random Subordinate 3:

Nekomamushi:

Coincidentally O-kiku has a similar pattern:

All of their yukata have a characteristic circular pattern although their variations amongst some which doesn't make them as obvious. I reckon Oda did this on purpose so as to not make it obvious.

 

[Tyki_Mikk]

I could understand Kiku but Nekomamushi? Why he would risk his and his own family life, without Nami and co they would be dead now. I don't think that Neko is a traitor,Okiku wise I probably still don't think that she is either a traitor. Otherwise Orochi would know all the things who happend in Udon.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I could understand Kiku but Nekomamushi? Why he would risk his and his own family life, without Nami and co they would be dead now. I don't think that Neko is a traitor,Okiku wise I probably still don't think that she is either a traitor. Otherwise Orochi would know all the things who happend in Udon.

With Neko, I don't think his betrayal is gonna be black & white. There'd probably be some sorta complicated circumstance behind it. Also someone on KOLs stream made an interesting point, with regards to one of Inu or Neko being a traitor and Jack decapitating them, which was, "what if Jack didn't know Neko/Inu was Orochi's informant?"

On Kiku and Udon, Orochi didn't mention it but it doesn't necessarily mean that he doesn't know. I mean all the rebels including those that were free from Udon were going to be gathering on Tokage anyways, so he could simply just round all of them up in one fell swoop. Also it doesn't really make sense for the traitor to not have known about Udon given they are take up a large part of the Rebel army. The events on Udon should already be common knowledge within the alliance.

 

[Patryipe]

Neko: My dear Jack, Raizo is in Zou.
Also Neko: But you can even torture me to death and I won't tell you the exact location.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

Kanjuro or ...

 

[MD Zolo]

Do the Beast Pirates care about culturing a traitor? Probably not. They are unbelievably strong to even need a traitor, specially for weaklings like Oden's subordinates.

Orochi on the other hand, needs those traitors very much. Which means that the traitor should be somebody who can be linked with Orochi.

Carrot cannot be linked to Orochi. So, in my view, this excludes Carrot from the potential list of traitors.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

Also on the Neko ting, if y'all remember when Kinemon was telling the SHs about the events that happened 20 years ago, he mentioned that Inuarashi & Nekomamushi got into an argument and got captured by Orochi's subordinates as a result, which was why they didn't travel 20 years in time with them. Question tho is, if Inu & Neko were captured how were they able to escape Wano? Could one of them have potentially made a deal with Orochi?

Also according to Momonosuke, Inu & Neko used to get along very well in the past but something happened after the others left for the future, that made the two hate one another's guts and they only called a truce because Momonosuke begged them to. What exactly happened that made the two hate one another? Did one of them do something which the other thought was unacceptable?

There's still a quite a few mysteries + conflicts surrounding Inu and Neko that I feel Oda is going to have to touch on later in the future.

If Oda goes the route of both being on the same side till Wano ends, I don't really see how those mysteries or conflicting points would be brought up. However if they take up opposing sides again, then it can come up naturally.

Also Nekomamushi's name literally has the word "Snake" in it ("mamushi is a type of snake"), and the word snake is synonymous with the word "traitor", so I find that a tad suspicious as well.

 

[MD Zolo]

Also on the Neko ting, if y'all remember when Kinemon was telling the SHs about the events that happened 20 years ago, he mentioned that Inuarashi & Nekomamushi got into an argument and got captured by Orochi's subordinates as a result, which was why they didn't travel 20 years in time with them. Question tho is, if Inu & Neko were captured how were they able to escape Wano? Could one of them have potentially made a deal with Orochi?

Also according to Momonosuke, Inu & Neko used to get along very well in the past but something happened after the others left for the future, that made the two hate one another's guts and they only called a truce because Momonosuke begged them to. What exactly happened that made the two hate one another? Did one of them do something which the other thought was unacceptable?

There's still a quite a few mysteries + conflicts surrounding Inu and Neko that I feel Oda is going to have to touch on later in the future.

If Oda goes the route of both being on the same side till Wano ends, I don't really see how those mysteries or conflicting points would be brought up. However if they take up opposing sides again, then it can come up naturally.

Also Nekomamushi's name literally has the word "Snake" in it ("mamushi is a type of snake"), and the word snake is synonymous with the word "traitor", so I find that a tad suspicious as well.

Since Neko is not in Wano (even if he is somehow in Wano, he is not with the alliance), it would be impossible for him to know about Hiyori.

So, if Neko is indeed the traitor, then there must be a second traitor who is feeding Neko these information (okay, it doesn't have to be a traitor, it can be an unwilling participant).

But if we consider your point that Neko and Inu were captured and may had to come to an understanding, then Inu is a possibility too.

 

[stealthblack]

never trust cats. nekomamushi, looking at you. sold his side for some lasagna