Future Events Wano will mirror Dressrosa. Luffy/Law vs. the boss, Zoro vs. Top Tier Swordsman (Fuji/BM)
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So your argument is that there has never been a reason for Zoro to get a Sword, yet you also argue that Zoro getting Enma must mean he is going to kill Kaido, because of it's past connection....
And? Oda needed a reason to have Zoro give Shusui back to Wano. "Here's this super strong sword, that we'll give you in exchange for Shusui." Problem solved....
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And? Oda needed a reason to have Zoro give Shusui back to Wano. "Here's this super strong sword, that we'll give you in exchange for Shusui." Problem solved....
No my argument was who made the sword was NEVER a reason why zoro got a sword,
i mean her selling point and the focus of enma was put on who made the sword right lmfao
besides as i said before
besides
Zoro is literally carrying odens sword which has his will and needs to finish his unfinished battle to take kaidos head.
i mean her selling point and the focus of enma was put on who made the sword right lmfao
besides as i said before
besides
Zoro is literally carrying odens sword which has his will and needs to finish his unfinished battle to take kaidos head.
No my argument was who made the sword was NEVER a reason why zoro got a sword,
i mean her selling point and the focus of enma was put on who made the sword right lmfao
besides as i said before
besides
Zoro is literally carrying odens sword which has his will and needs to finish his unfinished battle to take kaidos head.
i mean her selling point and the focus of enma was put on who made the sword right lmfao
besides as i said before
besides
Zoro is literally carrying odens sword which has his will and needs to finish his unfinished battle to take kaidos head.
Ame no habakiri is Momo’s sword and I believe was used to kill the yamata no Orochi in Japanese mythology ( don’t quote me on that I’m not an expert on it)
You do make a good point about the Shimotsuki ties to it but can’t it Be both?
Zoro clearly cares more about the state of Wano than any kingdom before having a emotional attachment to it with yasuie and has shown interest in fighting Kaido and the fact that Enma is the one which is highlighted as the one which scarred Kaido rather than ame no habakiri ( it probably was both of them but Enma was the one specifically highlighted) and the fact that Enma trains your armament HAKI given that We know it takes advanced HAKI to hurt Kaido it feels like to me that Oda Is building Zoro up to do something against Kaido
You do make a good point about the Shimotsuki ties to it but can’t it Be both?
Zoro clearly cares more about the state of Wano than any kingdom before having a emotional attachment to it with yasuie and has shown interest in fighting Kaido and the fact that Enma is the one which is highlighted as the one which scarred Kaido rather than ame no habakiri ( it probably was both of them but Enma was the one specifically highlighted) and the fact that Enma trains your armament HAKI given that We know it takes advanced HAKI to hurt Kaido it feels like to me that Oda Is building Zoro up to do something against Kaido
Kid luffy and law will be the main players in kaidos defeat
The other supernova and strawhats helping is possible tho
If zoro ends up fighting and especially soloing a calamity i do think it lessens his chances on facing a yonko this arc. Or at the very least playing as big a role. Well unless luffy and maybe the other 2 get a warm up calamity too
If he doesn't fight one then yeah hes gonna have to help with one of them
If orochi comes back then hed probably have to get involved. Well unless hed rather let momo and maybe yamato handle it
Him stalling linlin someone just as strong as kaido and a swordsman at that wouldn't be bad either.
I still think him cutting kaido is on the table but imo the less characters involved against kaido the better. Like i dont want to see all the supernova and/or strawhats all working together to take him down. Zoro kiler and yamato helping them already sound like too much imo
The other supernova and strawhats helping is possible tho
If zoro ends up fighting and especially soloing a calamity i do think it lessens his chances on facing a yonko this arc. Or at the very least playing as big a role. Well unless luffy and maybe the other 2 get a warm up calamity too
If he doesn't fight one then yeah hes gonna have to help with one of them
If orochi comes back then hed probably have to get involved. Well unless hed rather let momo and maybe yamato handle it
Him stalling linlin someone just as strong as kaido and a swordsman at that wouldn't be bad either.
I still think him cutting kaido is on the table but imo the less characters involved against kaido the better. Like i dont want to see all the supernova and/or strawhats all working together to take him down. Zoro kiler and yamato helping them already sound like too much imo
Zoro, among other things:
-is from the Wano immigrant village where he learned swordsmanship
-carried the sword of legendary Wano hero Ryuma- famed for dragon cutting
-trained future Shogun Momo in swordsmanship
-spent the arc rescuing Oden's daughter Hiyori
-was given Oden's sword
There is a bad guy, Kaido, who has:
-terrorised Wano
-plans to make it even worse
-killed Oden
-wants to kill Oden's children
- is a dragon
-has spent an entire fight with samurai talking about the effect Oden has had on him and how no one will be able to cut him in the same way
Conclusion- Zoro will fight Big Mom, a character with nothing to do with him or the Wano situation, because of the structure of a totally different arc where Zoro had a relatively minor role.
Brilliant deductive skills. A tour-de-force in literary understanding.
-is from the Wano immigrant village where he learned swordsmanship
-carried the sword of legendary Wano hero Ryuma- famed for dragon cutting
-trained future Shogun Momo in swordsmanship
-spent the arc rescuing Oden's daughter Hiyori
-was given Oden's sword
There is a bad guy, Kaido, who has:
-terrorised Wano
-plans to make it even worse
-killed Oden
-wants to kill Oden's children
- is a dragon
-has spent an entire fight with samurai talking about the effect Oden has had on him and how no one will be able to cut him in the same way
Conclusion- Zoro will fight Big Mom, a character with nothing to do with him or the Wano situation, because of the structure of a totally different arc where Zoro had a relatively minor role.
Brilliant deductive skills. A tour-de-force in literary understanding.
Bro this is the type of shit i am talking about. This is OP. Oda literally makes shit up. On enies lobby all the SH randomly got to where Luffy is by whatever means. If Oda wants Zoro or anybody else up top he will get their. Asking how is almost impossible to predict. Just like all these matchups people had before we got here. Who the hell predicted Apoo vs Luffy and Zoro. Apoo and zoro locked room running for an antidote. Sasaki vs Yamato luffy vs page 1. Stop it
Momo is carrying the Sword that kills Orochi innthe lore actually and right before Zoro got the Sword is when Kappa made that statement about you take your falling comrades sword and do their will. Momo not strong enough. Also lets
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Yeah, yeah, and Momo is carrying Oden's other Sword with his will.... Momonosuke kills Kaido, I guess.
I have to keep reminding people, that this entire war was orchestrated by Law. He's the one who held up Kinemon/Momonosuke in PH until Luffy arrived, the one who made the "30% success" comment and took down the SMILEs. He's also the one who got them all to Zou, because of Beppo, where the alliance was formed.
Wano will also see Kid added to form the "Terrible Trio" formed since Sabaody. If you think Oda formed this trio for no fucking reason, you clearly have not been paying attention
So no, there is no room for a 4th actor here against Kaido. I think Zoro's role was hinted at in Dressrosa. Just like he fought an Admiral swordsman in DR, he will fight a Yonko swordsman in Wano.
But that won't be his "main" fight. His main fight is either Queen or King (that's not the end of it). Oda is recreating the "run to the top" scene here like he did in DR. Luffy/Law march to the top to fight boss while Zoro clears the obstacles (Pica). Here it will be a Calamity instead of a Seat, but afterwards Zoro helped with the birdcage. It wasn't JUST beating Pica.
Remember, the point of the commanders is to clear obstacles for the boss. Look at Jozu and Whitebeard.
Look at what Luffy says
Oda is emphasizing over and over and over and over, that Sanji, Zoro, Jinbe etc... are there to get Luffy to the boss, not to fight the boss themselves.
So far, it seems that Zoro will handle Queen on the floor, Sanji will handle King in the sky/at the top, and Jinbe Jack on the rooftop. But after them, there is the problem of Big Mom.
Marco obviously can't handle Big Mom for the duration of the war. And Oda has already hinted at Straw Hats fighting Big Mom.
The Straw Hats will play the ultimate support role this arc. Just like their captain will take down a Yonko. They will gather all their strength to hold back another Yonko from interfering.
But remember. Commanders don't beat Admirals. They just hold them back for their captain.
Wano will also see Kid added to form the "Terrible Trio" formed since Sabaody. If you think Oda formed this trio for no fucking reason, you clearly have not been paying attention
So no, there is no room for a 4th actor here against Kaido. I think Zoro's role was hinted at in Dressrosa. Just like he fought an Admiral swordsman in DR, he will fight a Yonko swordsman in Wano.
But that won't be his "main" fight. His main fight is either Queen or King (that's not the end of it). Oda is recreating the "run to the top" scene here like he did in DR. Luffy/Law march to the top to fight boss while Zoro clears the obstacles (Pica). Here it will be a Calamity instead of a Seat, but afterwards Zoro helped with the birdcage. It wasn't JUST beating Pica.
Remember, the point of the commanders is to clear obstacles for the boss. Look at Jozu and Whitebeard.
Look at what Luffy says
Oda is emphasizing over and over and over and over, that Sanji, Zoro, Jinbe etc... are there to get Luffy to the boss, not to fight the boss themselves.
So far, it seems that Zoro will handle Queen on the floor, Sanji will handle King in the sky/at the top, and Jinbe Jack on the rooftop. But after them, there is the problem of Big Mom.
Marco obviously can't handle Big Mom for the duration of the war. And Oda has already hinted at Straw Hats fighting Big Mom.
The Straw Hats will play the ultimate support role this arc. Just like their captain will take down a Yonko. They will gather all their strength to hold back another Yonko from interfering.
But remember. Commanders don't beat Admirals. They just hold them back for their captain.
This arc we had
-Luffy/ Law/Kid
-Zoro/Kid/Law
-Luffy/ Zoro/Kid
Luffy/ Sanji/ Jinbei
Are all of these trios fighting the main villain at some point?
