Spoiler Record of Ragnarok (RoR)/Shuumatsu no Valkyrie

[Light D Lamperouge]

I thought that this could be a fun discussion to have here.

If you folks could choose any individual from history or a deity from a religion and place them into the world of RoR or a sequel to RoR as a character, who would you chose?

@Admiral Lee Hung @Light D Lamperouge @Kejon @nik87 @Zoro D Goat @Sadistic Senpai @Jorden625 @Yo Tan Wa @volsnap @Constantine @Starbound Beast D. Draig @Ace @Finalbeta

This is an excellent question.

When it comes to humans I'd like to see the following:

> Alexander the Great

> David, the one who beat Goliath

No one else comes to mind right now, or the others have already mentioned them.


When it comes to Gods, it's even more tricky lmao. Most of the Gods are already there. I guess maybe

> Hades

> Ra

and the rest are either there or already mentioned, like Jupiter or Seth.


I am really looking forward to seeing how they depict Nikola Tesla. He's a genius scientist from my country, we even have his picture on a 100 dinar bill lmao.


Also changed my top 10 a little.

Spoiler

Randgriz got dropped and Hrist moved to 10th place while currently number 9 is Okita Souji

Will probably bump him up the more he shows.

 

[Owl Ki]

For the humans, I would actually go with 3 choices.

Spoiler: Human 1

Alexander the Great

I actually don’t know why Alexander isn’t present here lol. I guess because the empire he conquered, despite being the largest empire of the time, was smaller than Qin Shi Huang’s unified China when it was eventually United.

But Qin Shi Huang was an emperor who sat inside of his throne room for basically his entire career. China was United by his armies, but QSH himself basically sat in his throne room not doing much during the time.

Alexander however, was a frontline fighting warrior King who acted as a commanding General and a frontline cavalry-man in all of his battles lol. There were a few occasions where Alexander was said to have personally slain the commander of the enemy armies that opposed him during his quest to utterly dominate the entirety of Western Asia lol. Sure these are just legends, but this is a fanservice manga and I think they’d be extremely fun to see in a manga lol.

Alexander was also personally instructed in his youth by Aristotle, which for those of you who aren’t that familiar with Greek philosophers...Aristotle is the GOAT. He was personally taught by Plato who was taught by Socrates, and Aristotle’s philosophical ideas and accomplishments transcend both of them.

And yeah, this guy was Alexander’s childhood teacher. No wonder the dude conquered basically the entire known world to the west at the time lol.

Yeah, I did always wonder why Alexander the Great was not on the list. Hell, none of the great strategists from the Mediterranean Antiquety period of history are present. Scipio, Caesar, Hannibal and big daddy Alexander are all absent.

Alexander would definitely be the best one out of the bunch as (according to Plutarch) he was acknowledged by Hannibal as being “The greatest general” (along with Pyrrhus but we don’t talk about him ) when asked by Scipio.

Another big name historical conquerer that was weirdly left out was Genghis Khan. The bloke created the largest continuous land empire to have ever existed, conquering nearly all of Asia and Eastern Europe while flattening dozens of advanced (for the time) civilizations.

By comparison, having Qin Shi Huang is pretty strange, especially considering that it was Wang Jian that did most of the work. Lol. I guess we will see what RoR QSH is made of when he appears.

Spoiler: Human 2

George Washington.

Hear me out.

I’m not a fanboy of any figures in US history, but the legends about Washington himself are actually pretty scary.

Unlike the rest of the US founding fathers (or at least most of them), Washington was not a politician or a statesmen, he was the best General that the rebels had at the time. He was voted to be the first President of the US not because of his political skill, but because he was an extremely popular war hero unlike the rest of the Founding Fathers.

The scary legends about Washington involve tails about his own physical strength which are historically false but could make for a fun backstory in series, but my favorite legend about George was that his teeth were made of wood...which in and of itself is a bastardization of the REAL legend about Washington’s teeth, that he would sometimes take teeth off of animal corpses and shove them into his mouth as a replacement for his real teeth that had fallen out.

The legends about Washington were that he killed Bears, Wolves, and Horses, and would use their teeth as his own.

Yeah. So combine this legend with other legends about his strength and such, and you’d have the makings for a terrifying manga version of him lol. Essentially the public image we know of George would be a facade for a savage monster who had beast-teeth and unnatural strength and extreme bloodlust lol.

I think this would be awesome.

Holy shit. Where has this version of George Washington been all my life? That sounds hilariously awesome.

I now have this mental image of all the Yanks in the crowd going wild after Heimdall announces that George Washington is the next representative for humanity all while John Adams and Thomas Jefferson look at each other in horror of what is about to be revealed.

Spoiler: Human 3

Blackbeard.

You guys probably know the stories of the irl Blackbeard so I won’t rant here. Whitebeard’s death, where he took hundreds of bullets and stabs or whatever and his body kept standing after he died, is actually plagiarized from the real Blackbeard’s death, where he was killed after taking dozens of stab wounds and bullets, but his body was rumored to stay standing for several minutes after his death, so they beheaded him and threw his body into the ocean. Which it then circled the ship the Navy was on for half an hour lol.

The irl Blackbeard was a enormous monster man who regularly engaged in horrific torture and embarked on pirate suicide missions and came out on top every time until his death. You guys should go look up stories of him lol.

The God side is a bit trickier. My favorite fictional God is Oden and he’s already present and looking like a true BAMF lol. So I had to a more obscure one:

Spoiler: God

Seth (Egyptian)

God of Deserts, Storms, Violence, Disorder, and Foreigners. Read up on this bamf here.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Set_(deity)

And set the mood with some Blackened Death Metal @Zenos7

Aye, Blackbeard is the big daddy of all pirates and one of the most famous criminals of all time so he would be a fantastic choice. Lol.

As for Gods, most famous pantheons have been touched upon already though some certainly get more representation than others (Norse and Greek. Lol).

That said, no deities from Mesoamerica or South America have been represented. The Aztec pantheon would be the most famous of these with the big names from that pantheon being Quetzalcoatl and the sun god, Huitzilopochtli.

Huitzilopochtli could be interesting because in Aztec mythology, he needs human sacrifices for nourishment and strength, so he could be the one God that actually needs humans in order to either have any power or even to live, which would put him in an uniquely awkward position compared to the other Gods of RoR.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

Another big name historical conquerer that was weirdly left out was Genghis Khan. The bloke created the largest continuous land empire to have ever existed, conquering nearly all of Asia and Eastern Europe while flattening dozens of advanced (for the time) civilizations.

I think the writer picked Qin Shi Huang because of how incredible a unified China was when it actually happened but..yeah I think Alexander would've been a better conqueror lol.

I don't know much about Genghis Khan other than that he was a famous conqueror from long ago lol. I may need to brush up on the details of him. Really in retrospect I feel like QSH wasn't the best choice to represent the "Conquerors" of History..I wonder if the writer is planning to do something about QSH's quest to become "Immortal" long after he had conquered China lol. Like instead of the fight revolving around him being a conqueror, the fight will be more about the "Immortal" Gods vs the human who came the closest to immortality? Or something like that lol.

I now have this mental image of all the Yanks in the crowd going wild after Heimdall announces that George Washington is the next representative for humanity all while John Adams and Thomas Jefferson look at each other in horror of what is about to be revealed.

Imagine Jefferson:

The truth is that we rigged the election to get Washington into office...the British were terrified of him for his brutality on the battlefield, and so we forced his election to keep them from attacking us for a little while longer...Lol

Huitzilopochtli could be interesting because in Aztec mythology, he needs human sacrifices for nourishment and strength, so he could be the one God that actually needs humans in order to either have any power or even to live, which would put him in an uniquely awkward position compared to the other Gods of RoR.

You know I was wondering about this as well but..

Hercules stated that he is against ending mankind but...wasn't it stated that the vote to end Humanity had to be unanimous for the Gods to go forward with that plan? Did Hercules vote to end humanity despite not wanting to end humanity? Maybe this will be addressed as I haven't read the series in a few days, but yeah lol.

On the subject of characters I would add, there is one character I would change, and that character is Ares lol. Ares comes off as an ignorant buffoon who is scared of his brother Hermes. He looks strong AF which we might expect from the God of War, but I'm baffled as to why Hermes is being portrayed as his superior lol. Idk.

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Ya know @Owl Ki I just thought of a really fun fight lol. George Washington vs Anubis.

Anubis was the Egyptian God of Death, and iirc he decided which souls would make it into the afterlife.

The story of the fight would be that Anubis knew Washington in life, as Anubis remembered the days where the mangled corpses of Washington's enemies came to him and he would have to ferry them to the next life. Anubis would've thought that Washington was the only human to ever make him experience fear and disgust due to how hard Washington's enemies had been massacred lol.

Idk. Sounds like a fun battle in my head lmfao.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Ya know @Owl Ki I just thought of a really fun fight lol. George Washington vs Anubis.

Anubis was the Egyptian God of Death, and iirc he decided which souls would make it into the afterlife.

The story of the fight would be that Anubis knew Washington in life, as Anubis remembered the days where the mangled corpses of Washington's enemies came to him and he would have to ferry them to the next life. Anubis would've thought that Washington was the only human to ever make him experience fear and disgust due to how hard Washington's enemies had been massacred lol.

Idk. Sounds like a fun battle in my head lmfao.

It does lol. I was up for Hades and thought about Anubis too, but felt if Hades is there Anubis wouldn't be. Have you caught up yet? If not, which chapter are you on?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

It does lol. I was up for Hades and thought about Anubis too, but felt if Hades is there Anubis wouldn't be. Have you caught up yet? If not, which chapter are you on?

I'm just about to start Hercules vs Jack lol. Haven't read in a few days, will probably get some in tonight.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

I'm just about to start Hercules vs Jack lol. Haven't read in a few days, will probably get some in tonight.

Aight. It's an amazing battle. Let us know what you think after it. Won't spoil anything for you.

 

[Bullet]

Hitler and Blackbeard should have been on the list

 

[Owl Ki]

You know I was wondering about this as well but..

Hercules stated that he is against ending mankind but...wasn't it stated that the vote to end Humanity had to be unanimous for the Gods to go forward with that plan? Did Hercules vote to end humanity despite not wanting to end humanity? Maybe this will be addressed as I haven't read the series in a few days, but yeah lol.

Aye, what happened there is that Heracles did not have a vote since he is not a God but a Demigod like the Valkiyres.

Spoiler

On the subject of characters I would add, there is one character I would change, and that character is Ares lol. Ares comes off as an ignorant buffoon who is scared of his brother Hermes. He looks strong AF which we might expect from the God of War, but I'm baffled as to why Hermes is being portrayed as his superior lol. Idk.

Yeah, that one is strange. Hermes, the Greek messenger God, has gotten way more portrayel than I would have expected him to and Ares, the literal Greek god of war is just... Kinda there, Lol.

Ares looks cool and all but damn he just does not do much, all while getting verbally schooled by Hermes. Lol.

Ya know @Owl Ki I just thought of a really fun fight lol. George Washington vs Anubis.

Anubis was the Egyptian God of Death, and iirc he decided which souls would make it into the afterlife.

The story of the fight would be that Anubis knew Washington in life, as Anubis remembered the days where the mangled corpses of Washington's enemies came to him and he would have to ferry them to the next life. Anubis would've thought that Washington was the only human to ever make him experience fear and disgust due to how hard Washington's enemies had been massacred lol.

Idk. Sounds like a fun battle in my head lmfao.

Monster Washington sounds fun in general.

It does lol. I was up for Hades and thought about Anubis too, but felt if Hades is there Anubis wouldn't be. Have you caught up yet? If not, which chapter are you on?

I do not think the Gods interfere with each other much. Shiva was described as "the strongest God of Destruction by far", meaning that there are other gods of destruction.

Aye, my memory got jogged and I remembered this panel.

Spoiler: Chapter 15

So Hades does exist in RoR. We just have not seen him yet. Lol.

Also changed my top 10 a little.

Spoiler

Randgriz got dropped and Hrist moved to 10th place while currently number 9 is Okita Souji

Will probably bump him up the more he shows.

Here is a little trivia I found on little Okita.

Another bit of trivia, the designs and personalities of Okita Souji and Kondo Isami seem to originate from another manga called Requiem of the Shogun, a series that runs in the same magazine (Comic Zenon) as Record of Ragnarök and which also has the involvement of Umamura Shinya.

Spoiler

Requiem of the Shogun, Volume 21.

Record of Ragnarök, Chapter 30.

https://mangasee123.com/search/?author=UMEMURA Shinya

I might as well also add this bit of info I found for you and Major to see.

Aye, thanks to @Zoro D Goat for showing me this thread.

Anyway, I was browsing the wiki for this manga and found that (according to the wiki article) Simo Hayha’s design apparently got revealed on the artist’s Twitter account.

Spoiler: Picture and article link.

https://shuumatsu-no-valkyrie.fandom.com/wiki/Simo_Häyhä

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Aye, what happened there is that Heracles did not have a vote since he is not a God but a Demigod like the Valkiyres.

Spoiler

Yeah, that one is strange. Hermes, the Greek messenger God, has gotten way more portrayel than I would have expected him to and Ares, the literal Greek god of war is just... Kinda there, Lol.

Ares looks cool and all but damn he just does not do much, all while getting verbally schooled by Hermes. Lol.

Monster Washington sounds fun in general.

I do not think the Gods interfere with each other much. Shiva was described as "the strongest God of Destruction by far", meaning that there are other gods of destruction.

Aye, my memory got jogged and I remembered this panel.

Spoiler: Chapter 15

So Hades does exist in RoR. We just have not seen him yet. Lol.

Here is a little trivia I found on little Okita.

I might as well also add this bit of info I found for you and Major to see.

Oh nice thanks for sharing Owl. Can't wait for more chapters.

Btw, who are your top 10 faves? Don't remember seeing it.

 

[Owl Ki]

Oh nice thanks for sharing Owl. Can't wait for more chapters.

Btw, who are your top 10 faves? Don't remember seeing it.

Yeah, I have not really thought about a Top 10 list for RoR much. Lol. Off the top of my head, so far I would go with;

I) Adam.
II) Sasaki Kojiro.
III) Jack the Ripper.
IV) Heracles.
V) Buddha.
VI) Brunhilde.
VII) Thor.
VII) Loki.
IX) Lu Bu.
X) Hrist.

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Yeah, I have not really thought about a Top 10 list for RoR much. Lol. Off the top of my head, so far I would go with;

I) Adam.
II) Sasaki Kojiro.
III) Jack the Ripper.
IV) Heracles.
V) Buddha.
VI) Brunhilde.
VII) Thor.
VII) Loki.
IX) Lu Bu.
X) Hrist.

Good list. You've already seen mine. I guess we have a lot of them in common.

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

I don’t think I gave my top 10 lol. I’ll post them now:

1. Kojiro
2. Thor
3. Oden
4. Musashi
5. Lu Bu
6. Adam
7. Lu Bu’s horse
8. Hercules
9. Shiva?
10. ?

I don’t even really know ten characters in this manga lol. But this would be my top ten as of mid-Heracles vs Jack.

 

[Seth]

Future reader here.

How does this work.

How humans like Adam fight Gods basically?

Gods are nerfed to the human level stats or Adam gets buffed to the God level stats?

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

How humans like Adam fight Gods basically?

Gods are nerfed to the human level stats or Adam gets buffed to the God level stats?

You’ll see but there is an explanation (a really cool one). Not to spoil anything lol.

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As you guys can see from my avatar, I may have spoiled myself in my search for a Heracles avatar lmfao. But god damn, I love this version of him. I’m at the part where he just used his “Nemean Lion” attack.

 

[Bullet]

I can't wait for Leonidas
I really hope they show some of the persian side in the audience as well like Xerxes, Darius or Cyrus the great and maybe even Artemis but she has to be as hot as the Eva Green version :cheers:
Btw i think Moses should have been Poseidon's opponent

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

I thought that this could be a fun discussion to have here.

If you folks could choose any individual from history or a deity from a religion and place them into the world of RoR or a sequel to RoR as a character, who would you chose?

@Admiral Lee Hung @Light D Lamperouge @Kejon @nik87 @Zoro D Goat @Sadistic Senpai @Jorden625 @Yo Tan Wa @volsnap @Constantine @Starbound Beast D. Draig @Ace @Finalbeta

Ayyy. Sorry for the late reply LOL. Anyway, my picks would be:

Humans - Joseph Stalin (I think he's a cool leader)
Gods - Kratos from God of War

 

[Mr. Anderson]

Finally something worth discussing

 

[Warchief Sanji D Goat]

Finally something worth discussing

Welcome LOL:cheers:

 

[Owl Ki]

Chapter 39 is out.

Spoiler: Chapter link.

https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Shuumatsu-No-Valkyrie-chapter-39.html

 

[Light D Lamperouge]

Chapter 39 is out.

Spoiler: Chapter link.

https://mangasee123.com/read-online/Shuumatsu-No-Valkyrie-chapter-39.html

Read it yesterday. Tbh, in my opinion, nothing special. I don't feel any bond or connection with either of the two combatants in this round, and I just wanna see the end of the fight already lmao, so we can hopefully go on to better rounds with some more interesting characters. And some Buddha action would be nice lmao.