Powers & Abilities Pre-Wano Luffy CoA vs Zoro CoA

Which CoA is better?


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#44
So his haki withstood the force of his own attack...
And Luffy didn't get his haki broken when using KKG

Withstanding your own attack is not a feat
He's a rubber man. He won't get damaged unless from a slash/pierce attack..so moot point.

Then explain why Zoro checked his swords for any chipping after destroying both the golem and Pica
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When has Zoro used haki to block a move? Or took a blow while in haki?
Blocking Birdcage.
Blocking Mini Golem Punch from Pica
 
#45
Everyone ignores that your haki’s effectiveness is directly related to the force that’s applied to the hardened attack, the original durability of the hardened object, and that harder haki cannot make up for inferior defense or striking strength depending on the difference between the 2...

Otherwise Doffy wouldn’t pierce Luffy’s stomach and turn around and lose to KKG.. same with Bellamy and Hody
 
#46
He's a rubber man. He won't get damaged unless from a slash/pierce attack..so moot point
But his haki can still get broken. There was no indication of that happening


Then explain why Zoro checked his swords for any chipping after destroying both the golem and Pica
Because Mihawk flashback. You want me to be impressed by the fact that Zoro's own attack didn't break his CoA?
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#47
Did hodys bite have more force than the force it took splitting the golem in 2 ?
He's a rubber man. He won't get damaged unless from a slash/pierce attack..so moot point.

Then explain why Zoro checked his swords for any chipping after destroying both the golem and Pica
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Blocking Birdcage.
Blocking Mini Golem Punch from Pica
Again, when has Zoro used haki to block? Extremely faulty to say Zoro's haki is better than Luffy cause it was never broken.

That's no different than saying Luffy>>>>Zoro cause Luffy beat a yonko commander and Zoro never did.
 
#49
Why you comparing luffy using acoa to zoro using hardening? If luffy punched that tonfa his hand would break.
So you agree Luffy can with some conditions but Zoro can't no matters what.
This means Luffy have a better CoA.

I don't understand what People didn't understand when Hyogoro said it is far more powerful.

Also lmao at people saying this is a CoA feat from zoro to fail at cutting Apoo's tonfa.

Ryuo is now related to BOAT if zoro fails to cut steel it means is ryuo isn't good enough.
We aren't like pre-ts. Zoro even use his pre-ts attack against steel for non steel element. (Like PH Dragon).
As for mihawk he just didn't use CoA on Daz Bones.

Blocking Birdcage.
Blocking birdcage with CoA isn' t a big deal.
Marine fodders could too.
Blocking Mini Golem Punch from Pica
Panel ?
 
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#52
But his haki can still get broken. There was no indication of that happening
Again he is a rubber man. Even if his haki is broken, he won't take damage (no indication) unless he is hit by another haki attack/piercing/slashing attack


Because Mihawk flashback. You want me to be impressed by the fact that Zoro's own attack didn't break his CoA?
Yes and what was Mihawk's flashback saying?
You being impressed or not is irrelevant to the fact that Zoro was impressed with himself for not chipping his swords after those attacks


Again, when has Zoro used haki to block? Extremely faulty to say Zoro's haki is better than Luffy cause it was never broken.
Already provided to instances.


Blocking birdcage with CoA isn' t a big deal.
Marine fodders could too.
No marine apart from Fuji actually shown blocking birdcage with haki.
In addition, Zoro was the only one who applied enough force to cause a shockwave in blocking the BC and not just pushing like Kinemon and Kanjuro did.
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In the manga

And Before all the above even comes to play. Zoro is confirmed to have Oden level haki coming out of the timeskip. So even if he had zero feats, that portrayal alone puts his haki above Luffy's
 
#53
Blocking Birdcage.
Blocking Mini Golem Punch from Pica
I think he means taking a direct blow from the opponent while cladding his body in haki.

Zoro's hardening defence is pretty good but is also due to the quality of his blades increasing his defence.

Zoro's body on the other hand doesn't have any defence feat while cladded in haki and we know in a high level battle, you are bound to get hit sooner or later.
 
#54
I think he means taking a direct blow from the opponent while cladding his body in haki.

Zoro's hardening defence is pretty good but is also due to the quality of his blades increasing his defence.

Zoro's body on the other hand doesn't have any defence feat while cladded in haki and we know in a high level battle, you are bound to get hit sooner or later.
Well his swords are more important to him than his body, especially for a swordsman going by Mihawk's statement

No doubt his blade is also durable, however, since he checked his blades after dissecting Pica, it implies that without haki, his blades would've chipped etc.

We know BC is sharp enough to cut meteors almost the size as half or more of golem Pica. However, when Zoro applied enough force to cause a shockwave in blocking the BC, there was no chipping of his swords which means his haki held up.
 
#55
Well his swords are more important to him than his body, especially for a swordsman going by Mihawk's statement

No doubt his blade is also durable, however, since he checked his blades after dissecting Pica, it implies that without haki, his blades would've chipped etc.

We know BC is sharp enough to cut meteors almost the size as half or more of golem Pica. However, when Zoro applied enough force to cause a shockwave in blocking the BC, there was no chipping of his swords which means his haki held up.
Yeah I agree
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#56
Again he is a rubber man. Even if his haki is broken, he won't take damage (no indication) unless he is hit by another haki attack/piercing/slashing attack



Yes and what was Mihawk's flashback saying?
You being impressed or not is irrelevant to the fact that Zoro was impressed with himself for not chipping his swords after those attacks



Already provided to instances.



No marine apart from Fuji actually shown blocking birdcage with haki.
In addition, Zoro was the only one who applied enough force to cause a shockwave in blocking the BC and not just pushing like Kinemon and Kanjuro did.
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In the manga

And Before all the above even comes to play. Zoro is confirmed to have Oden level haki coming out of the timeskip. So even if he had zero feats, that portrayal alone puts his haki above Luffy's
"Already proven" but never showed me where Zoro uses haki to see defend himself so you cant use the faulty "his haki was never broken" argument.
 
#57
No marine apart from Fuji actually shown blocking birdcage with haki.
Marine can use CoA and everyone in Dressrosa tried to push Birdcage.

In addition, Zoro was the only one who applied enough force to cause a shockwave in blocking the BC and not just pushing like Kinemon and Kanjuro did.
So he tried to cut it but he fails. That's worse. Luffy was able to destroy those things easily.

It should be easy to find so give them.
 
#58
Already proven" but never showed me where Zoro uses haki to see defend himself so you cant use the faulty "his haki was never broken" argument
When he blocked the BC
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Marine can use CoA and everyone in Dressrosa tried to push Birdcage.
Where are they pushing? The only ones shown pushing were Fuji n co. The rest of the marine fodders went to push the factory



So he tried to cut it but he fails. That's worse. Luffy was able to destroy those things easily.
Where do you draw that conclusion from?

He applied force to stop the cage not cut the cage


It should be easy to find so give them.
That goes both ways so go search it for yourself
 

Uncle Van

Monké Don't Do Taxes
#59
When he blocked the BC
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Where are they pushing? The only ones shown pushing were Fuji n co. The rest of the marine fodders went to push the factory




Where do you draw that conclusion from?

He applied force to stop the cage not cut the cage



That goes both ways so go search it for yourself
Once again, when has Zoro used haki to block a blow? Holding back birdcage isnt one of them....or are you saying Kanjuro=Kinemon=Zoro=Fujitora>Luffy in haki?

"Zoro's haki is stronger than Luffy's cause his haki never got broken holding back bird cage."....really?

Luffy>>Zoro since Luffy beat beat a yonko commander and Zoro hasnt. Your logic not mine.
 
#60
Once again, when has Zoro used haki to block a blow? Holding back birdcage isnt one of them....or are you saying Kanjuro=Kinemon=Zoro=Fujitora>Luffy in haki?

"Zoro's haki is stronger than Luffy's cause his haki never got broken holding back bird cage."....really?

Luffy>>Zoro since Luffy beat beat a yonko commander and Zoro hasnt. Your logic not mine.
I've already provided the example. You accepting it or not is irrelevant.
He applied force to the cage enough to cause a shockwave which means he wasn't just Merely pushing..that comes after

You can go argue that at another thread. This is haki thread

Also the actual question you are asking is as irrelevant as they come. Zoro doesn't need to block a blow in order for us to know that his haki hasn't broken or know his haki strength.
This was already proven when he had the flashback after defeating Pica
 
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