Speculations Franky vs Sasaki
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I’m more of a Zoro scarring kaido kind of man but it’s irrelevant here
Ah yes sanji the man who never hits a woman with Black Maria he’ll definitely beat her right?
So what if x drake left? How does that change anything
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If the strawhats aren’t gonna fight the Tobi Roppo who will?
Ah yes sanji the man who never hits a woman with Black Maria he’ll definitely beat her right?
So what if x drake left? How does that change anything
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If the strawhats aren’t gonna fight the Tobi Roppo who will?
Return to what? Getting obliterated? Even Hyogoro that can blast Haki out of hand, said all he can do is "slow down" Tobi Roppo.
These guys are on Apoo's and X-Drake's level. P1 brushed off an Elephant Gun from Luffy. That means Usopp needs > G3 levels of power. Saying Nami and Usopp are going to beat them is mass stupidity. We told you guys, and still keep going at it.
These guys are on Apoo's and X-Drake's level. P1 brushed off an Elephant Gun from Luffy. That means Usopp needs > G3 levels of power. Saying Nami and Usopp are going to beat them is mass stupidity. We told you guys, and still keep going at it.
Literally this. There are virtually no other capable fighters to take on the Calamities and tobi roppo unless you expect every single Supernova and Yamato to take over those fights, and even then there still isn't enough or room to then handle Kaido/Big Mom.
You'd have to rely on this idea that more support is coming, then you also have to hope the BMP don't show up. You can't even waste one person on purely Numbers or smile fodder fights as an accomplishment, there is literally no additional characters whom are strong enough to be able to take the tobi roppo on without having the goal of fighting Kaido (sans Zoro, but I think hes going to be stopped by a Calamity first)
I made a whole thread on this, but it never gained traction: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...e-strawhat-pirates-vs-the-beast-pirates.8759/
Essentially:
- 10 strawhats
- 9 Scabbards (who should be done/too weak to fight anyone now)
- 6 other Supernova (who are either on Kaido's side currently (Hawkins), down (Apoo), or intending on fighting Kaido (Law, Kid, Killer, Drake)
Let's say you subtract the 9 Scabbards from the whole battle, and remove the 6 other Supernova +Marco to handle the 2 Yonko with Luffy.
Let's say you then, count the 9 remaining strawhats as available fighters (assuming Zoro isn't directly fighting Kaido first), there are:
- 10 Numbers
- 3 Calamities
- 5 Tobi Roppo
We know the Numbers and Smiles are practically fodder. Fukurokuju and Hotei a have virtually done nothing to warrant actual major battles for their minimal characterization (compared to the Tobi Roppo), leaving 8 villains under Kaido to handle. And guess what, Oda already paired Nami/Usopp to fight one (Ulti), 8 vs. 8:
- Ulti vs. Usopp/Nami
- P1 vs. Chopper
- Black Maria vs. Robin
- Sasaki vs. Franky
- WsW vs. Brook
- Jack vs. Jinbe
- Queen vs. Sanji
- King vs. Zoro
And 3 for the above have already been hinted at, set up or shown by Oda (Ulti chasing Nami/Usopp, Sasaki with Franky and Queen interested in Sanji)
This works JUST like some of Oda's older, more classic matchups. Its a great question:Who can legitimately fight the F6/Calamities they aren't already poised to fight Kaido (I'll leave the Zoro argument out to see if he manages to reach the roof)?
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That's Luffy. Even Sanji could fight him easily. Let someone like Chopper grow from that
You'd have to rely on this idea that more support is coming, then you also have to hope the BMP don't show up. You can't even waste one person on purely Numbers or smile fodder fights as an accomplishment, there is literally no additional characters whom are strong enough to be able to take the tobi roppo on without having the goal of fighting Kaido (sans Zoro, but I think hes going to be stopped by a Calamity first)
I made a whole thread on this, but it never gained traction: https://worstgen.alwaysdata.net/for...e-strawhat-pirates-vs-the-beast-pirates.8759/
Essentially:
- 10 strawhats
- 9 Scabbards (who should be done/too weak to fight anyone now)
- 6 other Supernova (who are either on Kaido's side currently (Hawkins), down (Apoo), or intending on fighting Kaido (Law, Kid, Killer, Drake)
Let's say you subtract the 9 Scabbards from the whole battle, and remove the 6 other Supernova +Marco to handle the 2 Yonko with Luffy.
Let's say you then, count the 9 remaining strawhats as available fighters (assuming Zoro isn't directly fighting Kaido first), there are:
- 10 Numbers
- 3 Calamities
- 5 Tobi Roppo
We know the Numbers and Smiles are practically fodder. Fukurokuju and Hotei a have virtually done nothing to warrant actual major battles for their minimal characterization (compared to the Tobi Roppo), leaving 8 villains under Kaido to handle. And guess what, Oda already paired Nami/Usopp to fight one (Ulti), 8 vs. 8:
- Ulti vs. Usopp/Nami
- P1 vs. Chopper
- Black Maria vs. Robin
- Sasaki vs. Franky
- WsW vs. Brook
- Jack vs. Jinbe
- Queen vs. Sanji
- King vs. Zoro
And 3 for the above have already been hinted at, set up or shown by Oda (Ulti chasing Nami/Usopp, Sasaki with Franky and Queen interested in Sanji)
This works JUST like some of Oda's older, more classic matchups. Its a great question:Who can legitimately fight the F6/Calamities they aren't already poised to fight Kaido (I'll leave the Zoro argument out to see if he manages to reach the roof)?
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That's Luffy. Even Sanji could fight him easily. Let someone like Chopper grow from that
Agreed I don’t think Oda will let people’s views on what characters should be able to do stop him from doing what he wants
Besides this is the the kind of screen time the strawhats desperately need
Also who’s gonna fight them the yakuza bosses? Nobody even know a their names
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I disagree ussopp vs numbers seems like a good fight to me he can use his range to take them out or even use the Kibi dango
Besides this is the the kind of screen time the strawhats desperately need
Also who’s gonna fight them the yakuza bosses? Nobody even know a their names
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I disagree ussopp vs numbers seems like a good fight to me he can use his range to take them out or even use the Kibi dango
While I get where you are coming from, I frankly don't think Oda is going for this. The Numbers really don't seem ranked at all, and even "higher" ranking ones (4 and 5 KO'ed by Franky and Luffy respectively) seem pretty mindless. Even the 10 Number laughted at the 4 Number from being knocked out by Franky. They just seem so uncharacterized that I personally don't see anyone fighting them seriously
Maybe you are right though, I just think that since we've seen Usopp/Nami fight Ulti exclusively, and begin to give chase while P1 was being held up by the baboon, it may separate them for different fights.
I only argue that they fight Calamities/Tobi Roppo exclusively because they are good, characterized villains as opposed to the Numbers so far. Maybe 1-3 are impressive or all 10 have devil fruits, ill hold out for that.
Maybe you are right though, I just think that since we've seen Usopp/Nami fight Ulti exclusively, and begin to give chase while P1 was being held up by the baboon, it may separate them for different fights.
I only argue that they fight Calamities/Tobi Roppo exclusively because they are good, characterized villains as opposed to the Numbers so far. Maybe 1-3 are impressive or all 10 have devil fruits, ill hold out for that.
Yeah. Remember that Luffy went Gear 2nd on Blueno,who was "weaker" than Fukuro and Kumadori, and yet Chopper/Franky beat those 2.
It all comes down to story merit. I personally think the strawhats benefit most from fighting the most important BP members opposed to giving it to secondary characters while they waste time on fodder, no matter strong they are. If we are to believe Luffy will beat Kaido this arc, his crew can beat his strongest members.
It all comes down to story merit. I personally think the strawhats benefit most from fighting the most important BP members opposed to giving it to secondary characters while they waste time on fodder, no matter strong they are. If we are to believe Luffy will beat Kaido this arc, his crew can beat his strongest members.
I still remember when people said that the Numbers is stronger and more interesting than the Tobi Roppo.
They seem mainly here for hype material or just to move the plot with a move or an attack. Their small intro boxes should be evidence enough that they really aren't that important
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Just let it be known that so far most Tobi Roppo and Calamity interactions (outside of Jack, Queen and WsW) with the enemy has been directed either a Strawhat or Yamato (who may even be a Strawhat by the arcs end). That should pretty much tell you Oda's intentions for the most part.
- Ulti: Luffy, Yamato and Nami/Usopp
- P1: Sanji, Luffy, and Nami/Usopp
- Black Maria: Sanji
- Sasaki: Yamato and Franky
- WsW: So far, only Drake but used to move the plot and get Drake to the good side. There us setup for him encountering Yamato at least.
- Jack: Like the above, to move plot and end the mink revenge plotline, has potential to encounter Luffy/Jinbe soon.
- Queen: Luffy, Big Mom, Drake, Luffy/Zoro, Chopper/Apoo, Zoro again, now has interest in Sanji
- King: Big Mom pirates, Sanji
The majority is overwhelming tailored to Luffy and his crew, outside of a few plot threads that have had things like Queen/WsW finding a traitor, or Jack fighting the Minks again. Now those things are done.
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Imo, Numbers 4-10 are ranked randomly, so their number doesn’t indicate their strength, but 1, 2, and 3 coincidentally just so happen to be the strongest. Basically Oda decided to make 4-10 the jobbers, and 1-3 the only ones to get any special feats/portrayal. Three is a pretty common number in literature, so it would make sense for a writing perspective if the first 3 Numbers did end up being a bigger deal. If the next Number introduced is either 6 or 9, then I think it’s very likely that Oda does have bigger plans for those 3, since it would be very unlikely, statistically speaking for none of 1/2/3 to be amongst the first 6 Numbers introduced. If 6 and 9 are the next 2 introduced, then that basically confirms that Oda has bigger plans for 1/2/3 since the odds of those 3 Numbers being the last 3 Numbers introduced without there being a storytelling reason for doing so seems rather unlikely. However, Oda could very will end up introducing 1, 2, or 3 next for all we know and end up killing this theory