Future Events Will Oda really have the balls to end the Luffy show?
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There is no set up just to scar kaido
The set up for the one who opens the scar is the one kaido thinks is the one worthy of killing him.
This is actually whats said and this is the whole sequence of that part,
It starts of with doji outright saying this fight isnt over until his head is severed. I e this war wont be over until hes dead.
so kaidos words
I saw a visage of oden
I could have let you kill me
But you are not oden
We will never see a monstrous samurai like oden again
Its too shallow you dont even have enough power to open the old wound
people just focus on his last line instead of his whole speech and just say zoro will just open the wound without looking at why kaido said that,
kaido was going to let the scabbards kill him until he realized they are not oden they are not as strong as oden they couldnt even open the wound oden gave him
so the samurai that CAN open the scar that IS as monstrous as oden IS the one he will accept that kills him.
The set up isnt for there to be someone to just open the wound, but the one who does that is capable of killing him. And thats kaidos own view.
To make it simple so you can understand
kaido is saying YOU CANT KILL ME YOURE WEAK YOU CANT EVEN OPEN THE SCAR
so whoever can scar him is strong enough to kill him
Why are you lying, all he said was oda worded it in a way that if he doesnt die it still fits
and doesnt like to doesnt mean he wont
besides
zoro said the SAME THING about kaido as he did here
and guess what happened
Once again doflamingo isnt the one who has 18 FAILED CAPTURES
There is no set up just to scar kaido
The set up for the one who opens the scar is the one kaido thinks is the one worthy of killing him.
This is actually whats said and this is the whole sequence of that part,
It starts of with doji outright saying this fight isnt over until his head is severed. I e this war wont be over until hes dead.
so kaidos words
I saw a visage of oden
I could have let you kill me
But you are not oden
We will never see a monstrous samurai like oden again
Its too shallow you dont even have enough power to open the old wound
people just focus on his last line instead of his whole speech and just say zoro will just open the wound without looking at why kaido said that,
kaido was going to let the scabbards kill him until he realized they are not oden they are not as strong as oden they couldnt even open the wound oden gave him
so the samurai that CAN open the scar that IS as monstrous as oden IS the one he will accept that kills him.
The set up isnt for there to be someone to just open the wound, but the one who does that is capable of killing him. And thats kaidos own view.
To make it simple so you can understand
kaido is saying YOU CANT KILL ME YOURE WEAK YOU CANT EVEN OPEN THE SCAR
so whoever can scar him is strong enough to kill him
Why are you lying, all he said was oda worded it in a way that if he doesnt die it still fits
and doesnt like to doesnt mean he wont
besides
zoro said the SAME THING about kaido as he did here
and guess what happened
Once again doflamingo isnt the one who has 18 FAILED CAPTURES
The set up for the one who opens the scar is the one kaido thinks is the one worthy of killing him.
This is actually whats said and this is the whole sequence of that part,
It starts of with doji outright saying this fight isnt over until his head is severed. I e this war wont be over until hes dead.
so kaidos words
I saw a visage of oden
I could have let you kill me
But you are not oden
We will never see a monstrous samurai like oden again
Its too shallow you dont even have enough power to open the old wound
people just focus on his last line instead of his whole speech and just say zoro will just open the wound without looking at why kaido said that,
kaido was going to let the scabbards kill him until he realized they are not oden they are not as strong as oden they couldnt even open the wound oden gave him
so the samurai that CAN open the scar that IS as monstrous as oden IS the one he will accept that kills him.
The set up isnt for there to be someone to just open the wound, but the one who does that is capable of killing him. And thats kaidos own view.
To make it simple so you can understand
kaido is saying YOU CANT KILL ME YOURE WEAK YOU CANT EVEN OPEN THE SCAR
so whoever can scar him is strong enough to kill him
Why are you lying, all he said was oda worded it in a way that if he doesnt die it still fits
and doesnt like to doesnt mean he wont
besides
zoro said the SAME THING about kaido as he did here
and guess what happened
Once again doflamingo isnt the one who has 18 FAILED CAPTURES
the way it so easy to dismantle their arguments.
Truly amazing how many folks here are willing to accept the status quo simply because it’s a shonen...if you don’t expect more out of the creators you support, you won’t get the product at its fullest potential. Accepting good when great is an option is usually a poor choice, but something tells me that’s lost on a lot of you.
One Piece’s appeal has long come from seeing how the variety of interesting and nuanced characters Oda draws interact with and, more importantly, fight against each other. Used to be that all the SHP would get their own distinct opponent in any given arc and we would see them overcome sometimes significant odds to bring the various villains down...I literally can’t remember anyone other than the main character getting a real fight in Punk Hazard or WCI, two major post-time skip arcs that have more than a few detractors. Fishman Island may not have lived up to expectations, but all of Luffy’s friends got to show off some new skills; Dressrosa was an interminable slog by the end, but all the Straw Hats that got caught in the Birdcage had MVP moments against Doffy’s gang; Wano has been up and down, but everyone seems to be getting a taste so far with the promise of more to come. This series truly only works when Oda calls upon his entire lineup to take a few swings, not when Luffy is hitting homers while everyone else rides the bench.
One Piece’s appeal has long come from seeing how the variety of interesting and nuanced characters Oda draws interact with and, more importantly, fight against each other. Used to be that all the SHP would get their own distinct opponent in any given arc and we would see them overcome sometimes significant odds to bring the various villains down...I literally can’t remember anyone other than the main character getting a real fight in Punk Hazard or WCI, two major post-time skip arcs that have more than a few detractors. Fishman Island may not have lived up to expectations, but all of Luffy’s friends got to show off some new skills; Dressrosa was an interminable slog by the end, but all the Straw Hats that got caught in the Birdcage had MVP moments against Doffy’s gang; Wano has been up and down, but everyone seems to be getting a taste so far with the promise of more to come. This series truly only works when Oda calls upon his entire lineup to take a few swings, not when Luffy is hitting homers while everyone else rides the bench.
In the most basic sense, I understand the move...Luffy IS a very fun and appealing character to most OP fans, so it’s natural that the focus would shift to only him after so many years. That would be fine in a series with much lower stakes, but for all his charisma and spirit, it’s been stated in so many direct and indirect ways that he cannot succeed in becoming Pirate King without his allies. To then shunt them to the sidelines feels tone deaf and cheap, like all of a sudden (i.e. most of the last ten years) he’s the only one who matters and everyone else is swimming in his wake. Even if that’s true or required, Oda could have done a much better job selling it to the older fans of this series. Then again, to be fair, the author can’t be much clearer about how little our opinions matter to him now.
This is not necessarily a rule however. We are all conscious of how crucial and prominent a big fandom can prove when it comes to plot, this is also why Luffy has been unceasingly sparking for all these years... but Zoro's fanbase is booming rapidly and the prospectus is rose-coloured. It's really no coincidence that for once Oda is lending Zoro's character so much highlight in my opinion.
BigMom was not the main villain in that arc and the objective was never about defeating BigMom....
you are missing the point, Oda never changed regarding Luffy, he is all about defeating main boss.....the problem was his crew not getting enough fights...Oda has given side characters more shine than SH other than Zoro....this won't be a problem if all SH gets to shine....
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you are missing the point, Oda never changed regarding Luffy, he is all about defeating main boss.....the problem was his crew not getting enough fights...Oda has given side characters more shine than SH other than Zoro....this won't be a problem if all SH gets to shine....
Duh. Sanji stopped big mom with his role on the crew being a chef. Zoros not going to cook for kaido is he thats not his role.
Lets go back to dressrosa where luffy had the princess of the arc begging him to beat doffy all the way until king kong gun
he has nothing like that this arc
his only emotional tie to wano is not letting tama go hungry (something that even zoro has too on top of all the other ties that luffy doesnt)
what else oh he told momo he would beat kaido (SOMETHING HE SAID HE WAS GONNA DO TO LAW BEFORE HE EVEN MET MOMO)
in reality luffys motivations are selfhish and no different to kidd as shown here
luffy can shine plenty theres a reason there is 2 yonko here and thats not even counting he can beat kaido up too but i dont think hes finishing him.
Lets go back to dressrosa where luffy had the princess of the arc begging him to beat doffy all the way until king kong gun
he has nothing like that this arc
his only emotional tie to wano is not letting tama go hungry (something that even zoro has too on top of all the other ties that luffy doesnt)
what else oh he told momo he would beat kaido (SOMETHING HE SAID HE WAS GONNA DO TO LAW BEFORE HE EVEN MET MOMO)
in reality luffys motivations are selfhish and no different to kidd as shown here
luffy can shine plenty theres a reason there is 2 yonko here and thats not even counting he can beat kaido up too but i dont think hes finishing him.