Character Discussion Oda failed to make King and Queen menacing characters?

Luffy bin Dragon

Luffy bin Dragon

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#41
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Chrono said:
Nah its not cause Queen looks bad....(though last chap didnt help him).

Its that Queen just does not match the aethestic of a Sanji opponent. Unless he has another form that makes him slimer and faster than he wouldnt be such a useless opponent. But we know hes a Zoan user so his only other forms are Full Zoan and Hybrid. And his Full Zoan form looks fat and slow af.

Queen just doesnt suit Sanji. His boosters and flight technology will be wasted on him. Not only that....but King will be wasted on Zoro.



Like ive stated Zoro's opponents dont fight with Sanji....and vice versa, until theyve atleast got set-up with the other one.

Again I dont think Zoro will be fight Queen. He has his set up with Kaido and Orochi...the 2 antagonists of the arc. He will reopen Kaido's scar and defeat Orochi.
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Orochi is dead. Also Kaku fought Sanji.

Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest. Mr.1, Kaku, Ohm, and Ryuma. The only one you could argue is hachi and kurobi and even then Zoro was nerfed and just came out of a fight with a top tier
 
Chrono

Chrono

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#44
#44
Luffy bin Dragon said:
Orochi is dead. Also Kaku fought Sanji.

Zoro always fights the 2nd strongest. Mr.1, Kaku, Ohm, and Ryuma. The only one you could argue is hachi and kurobi and even then Zoro was nerfed and just came out of a fight with a top tier
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Wanna bet hes dead ?

Like I said...
until theyve atleast got set-up with the other one.
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Kaku already had his set-up as Zoro's opponent before he kicked and engaged with Sanji.


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No he doesnt....

Kuroobi > Hatchi

Wanze > T bone

Kaku is only stronger in base by a bit, whilst Jabra has the superior DF, can fight with Tekkai on and has more training with his fruit.

Ryuma isnt proven to be stronger than Absaldom ever.

And Wadatsumi is far stronger than Hyouzou.

Only stronger opponent Zoro ever fought was Mr 1, and the only thing that goes for Mr 1 > Mr 2....is their crew heiarchy. If we look at Thriller Bark crew heiarchy then Absaldom > Ryuma, since Absaldom is the leader of the General Zombies....and Ryuma is a general Zombie.

So Mr 1 > Mr 2 has as much standing as Absaldom > Ryuma....

Sanji never really fought anyone in Skypeia, but he makes up for it for defeating the leader of the Flying Fish riders whilst Zoro defeated fodder.
 
Luffy bin Dragon

Luffy bin Dragon

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#46
#46
Chrono said:
Wanna bet hes dead ?

Like I said...


Kaku already had his set-up as Zoro's opponent before he kicked and engaged with Sanji.


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No he doesnt....

Kuroobi > Hatchi

Wanze > T bone

Kaku is only stronger in base by a bit, whilst Jabra has the superior DF, can fight with Tekkai on and has more training with his fruit.

Ryuma isnt proven to be stronger than Absaldom ever.

And Wadatsumi is far stronger than Hyouzou.

Only stronger opponent Zoro ever fought was Mr 1, and the only thing that goes for Mr 1 > Mr 2....is their crew heiarchy. If we look at Thriller Bark crew heiarchy then Absaldom > Ryuma, since Absaldom is the leader of the General Zombies....and Ryuma is a general Zombie.

So Mr 1 > Mr 2 has as much standing as Absaldom > Ryuma....

Sanji never really fought anyone in Skypeia, but he makes up for it for defeating the leader of the Flying Fish riders whilst Zoro defeated fodder.
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I'll changed my pfp to sanji kicking zoro
Mr. 1
There is no proof for Jabura > kaku while Jabura feared Kaku's Rankyaku
Well actually Mr 2 feared for his life and complained out loud that he was afraid Mr 1 would kill him so it's not only crew hierarchy.
 
Chrono

Chrono

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#49
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Luffy bin Dragon said:
I'll changed my pfp to sanji kicking zoro
Mr. 1
There is no proof for Jabura > kaku while Jabura feared Kaku's Rankyaku
Well actually Mr 2 feared for his life and complained out loud that he was afraid Mr 1 would kill him so it's not only crew hierarchy.
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Ok lol...

Why would Jabra stay in place and take a cutting attack.

Post the panel of Mr 2 saying that....I dont remember that.
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Tobi said:
lmao i’ve seen people who think otherwise ryuma being stronger than absalom is swallowable but some people actually think hyouzou is stronger than wadatsumi
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Its literally impossible for Hyouzou to beat Wadatsumi. He has shite AoE and his poison cant do shit to Wada's big body.

The fish Luffy ate at the start of WCI, had the hype of taking down a giant. Luffy at that point had his poison immunity from Magellan, however he still got poisoned by that fish and not Hyouzou. Meaning Luffy's poison resistance is only as good as a giant.....whilst Wadatsumi is far bigger than a giant.

All Hyouzou can do is run lol.
 
rerere

rerere

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#52
#52
I would not describe King and Queen as failures, I mean if compared to Jack yes (dude was much more impressive up to this point) but they've been pretty efficent.
King bounced back Big Mom ship (using the surprise effect) and Queen put Big Mom to sleep (circustances were particular, obviously), they are no jobbers at all tho.
During the raid they've kept control of the situation overall, also they are going to get serious from now on (games probably stopped in this chapter).
 
Kuro Ashi

Kuro Ashi

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#54
#54
Queen is absolutely to be feared based on his showcase so far :king:


This man captured a Yonko and delivered it tied up like a prized piglet



He's a beast who laughs at the thought of facing a Conqueror



Treating these Supernova like kids playing Pirates Games



casually handling Luffy in base without even looking at him



fucking up X Drake without breaking a sweat



or throwing Luffy's and Zoro's asses to the lowest floor as soon as they get too gutsy and try to aim for his captain.

With just one of his Plagues, this man had the feared Wano Samurai and the Yakuza running for their lives, and would have slaughtered them by the thousands without even having to get his hands dirty.

It took the combined effort of multiple Supernova, Straw Hats, the best doctor in the world and a Yonko FM with the perfect ability for the task to containt the situation, and even that wouldn't have been possible if they did not get their hands on the antidote Queen had made for that particular Plague in the first place.

Queen has already showed us that among top YC he is outstanding, which his bounty reflects, and did so without even properly revealing his actual combat style and engaging in any significant 1 vs 1 combat, let alone the Hybrid form which will combine his already impressive physical might, with that of the Largest Ancient Zoan Devil Fruit in the manga.

Hybrid Queen will be an absolute monster, dwarfing the puny F6 in both sheer size and absolute power :finally:
 
rerere

rerere

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#57
#57
Kuro Ashi said:
Queen is absolutely to be feared based on his showcase so far :king:


This man captured a Yonko and delivered it tied up like a prized piglet



He's a beast who laughs at the thought of facing a Conqueror



Treating these Supernova like kids playing Pirates Games



casually handling Luffy in base without even looking at him



fucking up X Drake without breaking a sweat



or throwing Luffy's and Zoro's asses to the lowest floor as soon as they get too gutsy and try to aim for his captain.

With just one of his Plagues, this man had the feared Wano Samurai and the Yakuza running for their lives, and would have slaughtered them by the thousands without even having to get his hands dirty.

It took the combined effort of multiple Supernova, Straw Hats, the best doctor in the world and a Yonko FM with the perfect ability for the task to containt the situation, and even that wouldn't have been possible if they did not get their hands on the antidote Queen had made for that particular Plague in the first place.

Queen has already showed us that among top YC he is outstanding, which his bounty reflects, and did so without even properly revealing his actual combat style and engaging in any significant 1 vs 1 combat, let alone the Hybrid form which will combine his already impressive physical might, with that of the Largest Ancient Zoan Devil Fruit in the manga.

Hybrid Queen will be an absolute monster, dwarfing the puny F6 in both sheer size and absolute power :finally:
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Facts, the man is a beast
Tbh all the Calamities are monsters and deserve respect for it
 
J

Jo_Ndule

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#59
2017/2018

They said I was crazy when I told people that No commander will ever shine as kata did
Would never get such portrayal and hype in an Arc.

I said it that calamities wouldn't fare better than SCs
Wano wouldn't outshine WCI

2020
:milaugh:people are now realising it that Calamities are just secondary/tertiary to Kaido and Orochi

You guys would regret it for thinking bmp and tottoland were boring
 
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