Questions & Mysteries Katakuri was made to be the anti-Luffy not the anti-Marco or anti-King. Stop comparing them.

[sanjikun]

With Shanks' crew and Beckman, Oda made it clear he doesn't have to make every right hand equal in power or even in the same area. I will explain why Katakuri is no longer comparable to King or Marco.

Katakuri's name comes from "katakuriko" which means "flour" in Japanese. However, the Mochi Mochi no Mi has almost nothing to do with katakuriko. So why is his name that?

It is so because the original Katakuri character Oda created, and the one in the manga are totally different. The ORIGINAL Katakuri had the "Powder Powder no Mi". That makes sense with his name! Powder is related to flour or "katakuriko"/"katakuri". Oda clearly retconned everything about this character to make him the anti-Luffy, and not the anti-Marco or anti-King.

Spoiler

1. Devil Fruit

His devil fruit was changed to mimic Luffy's. A Powder Devil Fruit has NOTHING to do with Luffy. The Mochi devil fruit is almost the same as Luffy's.

2. Bounty

With the Yonko bounties, we realized Oda is clearly playing around with the last couple of numbers to describe the characters.

Luffy's number is "56" which is Gomu. Katakuri's bounty was 1 billion + "57" million. Clearly an homage to Luffy.

3. Looks

He went from a dude with an Elvis-fro, to an older looking version of Luffy.

4. Power level

Katakuri was meant to be on the same level as Luffy but just a little bit stronger for Luffy to use him as a benchmark and to surpass him.

5. Fighting Style

He went from a swordsman like King, to an elastic/stretchy brawler like Luffy.

Conclusion

When people say "oh it took so much effort for Luffy to beat Katakuri" how can Zoro or Sanji beat King/Queen, the answer is: Katakuri WAS MADE TO BE EQUAL TO LUFFY, (ffs they fought in the MIRRO WORLD) just like King and Queen will be made to be as strong as the plot demands.

 

[ZenZu]

2. Bounty

With the Yonko bounties, we realized Oda is clearly playing around with the last couple of numbers to describe the characters.

Luffy's number is "56" which is Gomu. Katakuri's bounty was 1 billion + "57" million. Clearly an homage to Luffy.

This is equivalent to an illuminati confirmed meme.

3. Looks

He went from a dude with an Elvis-fro, to an older looking version of Luffy.

You're trolling right?

4. Power level

Katakuri was meant to be on the same level as Luffy but just a little bit stronger for Luffy to use him as a benchmark and to surpass him.

This is evidence/breakdown of power levels or an opinion?

Conclusion

Lmfao how are you going to casually pull up with a conclusion after most of your evidence was just a bunch of opinions.

This is like posting a theory and the evidence backing the theory is more theories. You've managed to say close to nothing. Only the character design change and rushing part has some merit but then again he doesn't need to be the anti King or Marco to be close to their strength as long as his feats compare to theirs he's fine where he is.

 

[Albino 👑]

Just because he was made for luffy to bounce off of and have similarities doesn't mean katakuri isnt the 1yc/right hand of the big mom pirates. Hes still comparable to the others yonkos strongest members

Thats like saying kid or even blackbeard aren't comparable to anyone but luffy

 

[sanjikun]

This is equivalent to an illuminati confirmed meme.

What the actual fuck are you talking about? Look at all the Yonko bounties. They're all puns on their selves.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1178422946584387584

Whitebeard's bounty ended in "46" which is literally "shi-ro".
Kaido is "110" which is literally "hyaku-ju" (or hundred beast)

Luffy's number is "56" which is "Go-mu". Katakuri was made "57".

Just because he was made for luffy to bounce off of and have similarities doesn't mean katakuri isnt the 1yc/right hand of the big mom pirates. Hes still comparable to the others yonkos strongest members

Thats like saying kid or even blackbeard aren't comparable to anyone but luffy

Where did I say that? I said this version of Katakuri was modelled with Luffy in mind, not King or Marco. His power level is not tied to those guys, but Luffy. Just like Beckman's power is tied to be somewhat under Shanks', not be equal to King or Marco.

Lmfao how are you going to casually pull up with a conclusion after most of your evidence was just a bunch of opinions.

Luffy "I'm going to surpass him" -> Opinion

Katakuri "I no longer think you're below my level" -> Opinion

Carrot "Their powers are the same" -> Opinion

Them fighting in the Mirro world/a.k.a. Reflection of another -> Opinion

You "Your conclusion is based on opinions"

Keep posting crap.

 

[Uncle Van]

This is equivalent to an illuminati confirmed meme.


You're trolling right?


This is evidence/breakdown of power levels or an opinion?




Lmfao how are you going to casually pull up with a conclusion after most of your evidence was just a bunch of opinions.

This is like posting a theory and the evidence backing the theory is more theories. You've managed to say close to nothing. Only the character design change and rushing part has some merit but then again he doesn't need to be the anti King or Marco to be close to their strength as long as his feats compare to theirs he's fine where he is.

You were afk for 2 years so you missed the insanity that is Sanjikun. Shit like this is the norm. Dude puts Doflamigo above Katakuri cause he stopped G3 while Kaido got sent flying. Just a little example.

 

[sanjikun]

You were afk for 2 years so you missed the insanity that is Sanjikun. Shit like this is the norm. Dude puts Doflamigo above Katakuri cause he stopped G3 while Kaido got sent flying. Just a little example.

I have no idea what you're going on about Gear 3 or Kaido or whatever, but stick to the topic.

 

[ZenZu]

What the actual fuck are you talking about? Look at all the Yonko bounties. They're all puns on their selves.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1178422946584387584

Whitebeard's bounty ended in "46" which is literally "shi-ro".
Kaido is "110" which is literally "hyaku-ju" (or hundred beast)

Luffy's number is "56" which is "Go-mu". Katakuri was made "57".

Ok you're correct in that Oda plays around with Bounties giving fitting ones. The focus of the bounty in the story is it being above 1 Bil, the end digits are easter eggs, they don't add anything we don't already know. Cool fun fact I guess but Katakuri said he and Luffy are similar multiple times himself in the manga, we don't exactly need to crack codes to figure that out. None of this stops us from comparing Katakuri to other commanders.

You were afk for 2 years so you missed the insanity that is Sanjikun. Shit like this is the norm. Dude puts Doflamigo above Katakuri cause he stopped G3 while Kaido got sent flying. Just a little example.

Sounds like fun times

 

[sanjikun]

Ok you're correct in that Oda plays around with Bounties giving fitting ones. The focus of the bounty in the story is it being above 1 Bil, the end digits are easter eggs, they don't add anything we don't already know. Cool fun fact I guess but Katakuri said he and Luffy are similar multiple times himself in the manga, we don't exactly need to crack codes to figure that out. None of this stops us from comparing Katakuri to other commanders.

You can compare him to Usopp if you want. The point of the thread is this iteration of Katakuri was made to be the anti-Luffy, so making arguments like "look at how much Luffy had to go through with Katakuri" make no sense, when he was specifically designed with Luffy in mind, right down to his fighting style and Devil Fruit.

 

[Albino 👑]

So just like luffy he doesnt compare to king, ben, etc. Nice

 

[Uncle Van]

I have no idea what you're going on about Gear 3 or Kaido or whatever, but stick to the topic.

Katakuri, King and Marco on the same level. Boom.

 

[Albino 👑]

I don't get the point of the thread tbh

Are you tryna say kata is weaker or stronger for being a mirror to luffy? Like why

 

[MD Zolo]

I get it that Oda made Katakuri with the soul intention of giving Luffy training, he doesn't serve much importance in the story beyond it.

But why would that make him incomparable to Marco or King? They are all YC1 and Oda will remain consistent. He may add something for Marco and King that puts them above Katakuri, but for now, they are all comparable.

 

[Monkey D. Luffy]

You're right that Katakuri is meant to be a parallel for Luffy, but he also serves as a stepping stone for the Emperors. If he can't beat an Emperor's strongest, then he has no business challenging them.

 

[Lifeismeh]

I don't get the point of the thread tbh

Are you tryna say kata is weaker or stronger for being a mirror to luffy? Like why

I think he's saying YCs doesn't need to be on the same lvl, they are as strong as the plot demand, so its possible that zoro and sanji can beat king and queen, their strength will be according to zoro and sanji capabilities

 

[Finalbeta]

Nice theory

 

[Uncle Van]

I don't get the point of the thread tbh

Are you tryna say kata is weaker or stronger for being a mirror to luffy? Like why

I think he's saying YCs doesn't need to be on the same lvl, they are as strong as the plot demand, so its possible that zoro and sanji can beat king and queen, their strength will be according to zoro and sanji capabilities

It's to put Mingo above Katakuri and at YC1. He made threads similar to this one that downplays YCs in general to make Mingo look better. He always said Luffy beat Katakuri fair n' square while he needed help against Mingo.

 

[Inspector_Mu]

So Katakuri was made equal to Luffy but little stronger and to be surpassed
What exactly do you mean? Was he luffy equal to was luffy weaker and needed to match ans surpass him?

Everybody knows Katakuri is linked to Luffy not Marco or Zoro
Everybody knows Katakuri is luffy benchmark

So now tells me is this your other thread where you think Doffy is Luffy Benchmark is still superior to lufy and has adCoA , but you disguised it by writing about Katakuri
Or are you actually writing something interesting?

Oops I remembered since katakuri wa last minute character, kata is below Dofdy
Oops
I guess every strong character Oda made up quickly during an arc is below Doffy
Coz well originally Oda meant to make X but made Z bla bla

 

[Dettles]

I wish Katakuri was hyped up prior to WCI. Like at the end of Fishman Island, or a mention during Punk Hazard like Jack, so when we saw him at WCI there was some kind of payoff. He just feels like a one and done villain, that was only there for Luffy to progress, which is a bummer because he's really cool and his powers are interesting and it feels like we have only stretched the surface.

 

[PuckTheGreat]

I think the point @sanjikun is trying to make is that Oda designed Katakuri to completely counter Luffy in every way imaginable thus making the fight extremely difficult for him. So Zoro & Sanji might not necessarily have to go through the same ordeals Luffy went through to beat Katakuri in order to beat King and Queen if they are not specifically designed to counter them.

In other words, folks should not take feats at face value but also consider the matchups as well?

@sanjikun please correct me if I’m wrong mate.

 

[Dettles]

I think the point @sanjikun is trying to make is that Oda designed Katakuri to completely counter Luffy in every way imaginable thus making the fight extremely difficult for him. So Zoro & Sanji might not necessarily have to go through the same ordeals Luffy went through to beat Katakuri in order to beat King and Queen if they are not specifically designed to counter them.

In other words, folks should not take feats at face value but also consider the matchups as well?

@sanjikun please correct me if I’m wrong mate.

It's why I think the "War" is with the Beast Pirates, because of their Zoan type powers, the actually match ups of powers won't matter as much in regards to advantages or disadvantages. And the Samurai don't seem to have crazy powers so the fights are seemingly going to be straight forward fights.