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It was kind of obvious that Daifuku and Oven were stronger than Tamago. Capone hyped those two up alongside the top commanders and perospero as monsters, Ichiji > Niji > Sanji, with or without raid suits (as long as both have or don't have it in the fight). Oven kept fighting through Ichiji's goring of him and did stuff like take an explosion point blank to his face with no defense.

Oven literally only looked bad against people who are top commander leveled, or cheap shots (like sanji's cheap shot on him when he didn't know sanji even existed on the same island as him and was focused on pound), etc.

Oven > Pedro > Tamago, Tamago was endlessly cut down by Pedro.
Lmao... Perro stronger than Baron Tamago.
 
You know Shishio? You're right. Absolutely right. You were right two years ago.

Zoro will fight the strongest swordsman in Wano. But instead of low top tier Orochi it'll be Linlin .
Orochi thing was just a bummer but it makes sense now. Oda had bigger plans for Zoro.
I forgot the fact that Zoro always exceeds expectations when it comes to end of the arc.
 
Oden was a grown man, fighting another grown man.
Luffy is still a teenager and he's not getting blown out by anyone from his generation.
I mean Luffy is probably going to be dead in the next 5 years, he'll be pirate king by then, but still. Different people start their career at different points, Smoker is a new face despite not being anywhere near a teenager, same with people like capone and stuff, they are still growing in power massively. Luffy, Cavendish, etc simply started their career earlier than others did, Yamato and Ace even had this convo last chapter.
 

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Orochi thing was just a bummer but it makes sense now. Oda had bigger plans for Zoro.
I forgot the fact that Zoro always exceeds expectations when it comes to end of the arc.
Lmfao.

I'd still rather have what we all theorized back then, even over a King v. Zoro match up. We got a lowbudget Doflamingo instead.
 
Feats ofc lol.Oven's feats and hype way better than Tamago.Tamago can't even beat Pedro.Same Pedro hopeless against Oven.
Pedro was "hopeless" against Oven because of his powers which took out his sword. Later on
It was kind of obvious that Daifuku and Oven were stronger than Tamago. Capone hyped those two up alongside the top commanders and perospero as monsters, Ichiji > Niji > Sanji, with or without raid suits (as long as both have or don't have it in the fight). Oven kept fighting through Ichiji's goring of him and did stuff like take an explosion point blank to his face with no defense.

Oven literally only looked bad against people who are top commander leveled, or cheap shots (like sanji's cheap shot on him when he didn't know sanji even existed on the same island as him and was focused on pound), etc.

Oven > Pedro > Tamago, Tamago was endlessly cut down by Pedro.
Pedro is literally one of the strongest Minks. The ones above him are YC Level (Dogstorm and Catviper)
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What are you talking about, am I forgetting something?

Basic haki is the shield style "barrier" thing you're talking about, then stage 2 buso is hardening, where you actually bolster the limbs/weapon itself instead of "coating it" in armor, you make the actual thing it's used on armor itself (which is the black coating). Sanji has level 1 barrier buso, zoro and luffy have buso hardening (along with tons of others who are either top commander leveled, or who specialize it and are don sai+ leveled.

Ryuou as we know it is pushing the haki OUTWARD like an energy blast, not an armor or hardening.

Oden objectively had ryuou, he grew up in the country that literally invented it, and is the strongest mf'er there, and every single one of his scabbards had it, and the only person who could teach rayleigh it cuz it's wano based, is Oden, so he'd have to know it.

Didn't Kaidou said they all have ryuou, but it was just weaker than Oden's?

Honestly speaking, Kaidou is going down by a group effort. Luffy will eventually surpass Oden, but meh, not yet.

Hardening is literally only said by Luffy. Buso is the basic black armour. Source: literally everyone using Buso in OP world.
 
Pedro was "hopeless" against Oven because of his powers which took out his sword. Later on


Pedro is literally one of the strongest Minks. The ones above him are YC Level (Dogstorm and Catviper)
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Hardening is literally only said by Luffy. Buso is the basic black armour. Source: literally everyone using Buso in OP world.
Pedro someone who lost to Perospero by a big margin.Oven and Perospero are close in strength.Oven can tanks Sanji,Bege,İchiji attacks same arc.Although Ichiji pierced his chest, but he was still fighting.İchiji isn't weaker than Peros.
 
So what's the general opinion about how the 5 novas that will take on the two yonko are ranked?

This is my bet:

Zoro >~ Luffy >>> Kidd > Law > Killer
in all honesty Law is an x factor, he'll be as useful as the plot demands

So

Luffy >> Zoro >>> Kidd >> Killer

X-Factor, unrankable, as Oda desires: Law

Law, Hawkins and Drake are all swordsmen so how can they be anything less than backup for Zoro.

Also they’re minor characters and Zoro is the deuteragonist of the manga
Law actually has a lot of relevance to the end game, I just don't know if Oda has the balls to make him center stage, he came to the game rather late compared to the rest of the (OG) SHS. Would love to see it tho. He's definitely the most important outside the Straw Hats and maybe Kid
 
If you think Kidd is going down before the end, you're not paying attention bro. Dude was portrayed to have a similar will than Luffy. Refused to surrender, had to be tortured and jailed and still didnt waver one bit.

Soon people are gonna stop disrespecting Kidd once he pulls out AdCoa and start hurting Kaido.
Kid will not be one of the last standing. Probably has CoA, but real shit he wavered in Udon
 
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