Break Week Why the Sanji downplay is stupid and pathetic!!!
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About COC part, i agree Sanji and zoro have the possibilty of having CoC. About the Ryou part, Ryou is basically the same thing as Armament, or did you mean Advanced Ryou? If yes, then it's really unlikely for Sanji having adv Ryou, story wise it's impossible for some reasons:
1. Oda told us Sanji specialized in Observation, so having adv ryou out of nowhere is not possible
2. Sanji only cooks, with Luffy and Zoro fight someone stronger than Sanji's Opponents, Growth Wise Sanji is getting far behind Luffy and Zoro as time goes, not to mention Zoro always trains relentlessly to catches up to luffy, on the other hand what has sanji done? he only cooks, so if Pre Wano luffy who had fought several yonko commanders level didnt know Adv ryou yet, Wano Sanji too logically dont know Adv ryou yet. On the other hand, Zoro is still possible of having adv ryou since Oda told us he specialized in Armament
and the monster trio part, logically Sanji is the 4th strongest now after luffy, zoro, and jinbe. Jinbe is definitely a YC level based off feats and portrayal, and zoro is stronger than Jinbe acording to databooks. Databook vivrecard volume 1 tells us that zoro is the second strongest after luffy, and as you know Databook vivrecard vol 1 came out during the beginning of Wano arc. And according to databook vivrecard vol 4, Jinbe officially joined the strawhats in WCI, meaning, according to databook vivrecard vol 1 and 4, Wano zoro is stronger than Wano Jinbei. Ofc Sanji has raid suit which could possibly put him stronger than Jinbe, but he's lacking of feats, so until Sanji performs some incredible feats, the ranking of strawhats currently is :
Luffy > Zoro > Jinbe > Sanji > others
1. Oda told us Sanji specialized in Observation, so having adv ryou out of nowhere is not possible
2. Sanji only cooks, with Luffy and Zoro fight someone stronger than Sanji's Opponents, Growth Wise Sanji is getting far behind Luffy and Zoro as time goes, not to mention Zoro always trains relentlessly to catches up to luffy, on the other hand what has sanji done? he only cooks, so if Pre Wano luffy who had fought several yonko commanders level didnt know Adv ryou yet, Wano Sanji too logically dont know Adv ryou yet. On the other hand, Zoro is still possible of having adv ryou since Oda told us he specialized in Armament
and the monster trio part, logically Sanji is the 4th strongest now after luffy, zoro, and jinbe. Jinbe is definitely a YC level based off feats and portrayal, and zoro is stronger than Jinbe acording to databooks. Databook vivrecard volume 1 tells us that zoro is the second strongest after luffy, and as you know Databook vivrecard vol 1 came out during the beginning of Wano arc. And according to databook vivrecard vol 4, Jinbe officially joined the strawhats in WCI, meaning, according to databook vivrecard vol 1 and 4, Wano zoro is stronger than Wano Jinbei. Ofc Sanji has raid suit which could possibly put him stronger than Jinbe, but he's lacking of feats, so until Sanji performs some incredible feats, the ranking of strawhats currently is :
Luffy > Zoro > Jinbe > Sanji > others
"Canon>headcanon" yet you’re saying Usopp has CoC. A bit hypocritical, don’t you think ? A story like One Piece requires anticipation.
Kaido’s complaint ("we don’t need so many CoC users") was about Luffy, Kid and Oden having CoC, he didn’t talk about himself.
Show me where I said Sanji should get it. Also, I didn’t know Chinjao was Roger/WB level, that’s new. Or Dofla, Ace, Kid and Hancock.
Kaido’s complaint ("we don’t need so many CoC users") was about Luffy, Kid and Oden having CoC, he didn’t talk about himself.
Some pretty damn strong characters dont have it, i doubt all 3(4 if you count Aokiji) Admirals we saw thus far have it, why should Sanji get it? Are you trying to say Sanji should reach Roger/WB powerlevels by EoS?
Show me where I said Sanji should get it. Also, I didn’t know Chinjao was Roger/WB level, that’s new. Or Dofla, Ace, Kid and Hancock.
You are literaly saying Sanji should get CoC because the strongest characters in the verse have it. If he is not to make to Roger/WB level, then why should he ever get it?
I will say it again, let Sanji have Sanji stuff, just because a stronger character than him gets feats and upgrates dosent mean he should get the same upgrates.
I will say it again, let Sanji have Sanji stuff, just because a stronger character than him gets feats and upgrates dosent mean he should get the same upgrates.
Totally agree. Sanji is not on the level of the other two, especially since the timeskip. Still, a lot of his fans debate on how he is. This aspect of the fandom is very similar to another I feel which is Zoro's and Luffy's. 95% of the fans know/think that Zoro isn't on Luffy's level but the other 5% still debates on how he is, even though the contrary is very very crystal linear. And there is nothing wrong with all this, be it Sanji's fans or Zoro's. Everyone just wants their favourite character to shine. That's how shonens work mostly.
I'll keep my answer fast, the reason most Sanji downplay is bad and pathetic for the majority of time comes from:
1- Fans wanting Sanji to do something HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, IT IS NOT HIS ROLE... (for example, just recently people attacking Sanji for not being among the squad against Kaido... like what are you smoking? it's not his role in story to take out big bad guy... and nor was he hinted or foreshadowed to want to test his swordmanship to cut Kaido tough skin like Zoro.. why the fuck would he be there? don't ask Sanji to do something he is NOT SUPPOSED to be part of
2- Fans wanting Sanji to NOT BE SANJI... only for people to hate on him if he did anyway... They want him to fight women (if he did, people will say he's a bad written character if he broke that character... same will be applied for NOT using hands code.. same for a nosebleed or being a perv EVEN in middle of most serious battle... that's just who he is... That's who he is the same way Zoro gets lost, same way Nami and money, same way Luffy and meat...
3- Fans not enjoying moments for what it is... and rather they just use EVERY chance to either DISCREDIT the good moments for Sanji or give too much focus whenever he slips even it's just Oda's way to just allow plot to move his own way... For example, people discrediting Sanji tanking King POINT BLANK piercing attack with relatively no important damage... while giving too much highlight and focus over Sanji leaving Kanjuro to protect Nami over retrieving Momo... because we all know Kanjuro logically SHOULD NEVER LEAVE that place with the existance of "Sanji/Law/Luffy/...etc" while Kanjuro is alone LOL... makes NO SENSE
So... yeah
1- Fans wanting Sanji to do something HE IS NOT SUPPOSED TO DO, IT IS NOT HIS ROLE... (for example, just recently people attacking Sanji for not being among the squad against Kaido... like what are you smoking? it's not his role in story to take out big bad guy... and nor was he hinted or foreshadowed to want to test his swordmanship to cut Kaido tough skin like Zoro.. why the fuck would he be there? don't ask Sanji to do something he is NOT SUPPOSED to be part of
2- Fans wanting Sanji to NOT BE SANJI... only for people to hate on him if he did anyway... They want him to fight women (if he did, people will say he's a bad written character if he broke that character... same will be applied for NOT using hands code.. same for a nosebleed or being a perv EVEN in middle of most serious battle... that's just who he is... That's who he is the same way Zoro gets lost, same way Nami and money, same way Luffy and meat...
3- Fans not enjoying moments for what it is... and rather they just use EVERY chance to either DISCREDIT the good moments for Sanji or give too much focus whenever he slips even it's just Oda's way to just allow plot to move his own way... For example, people discrediting Sanji tanking King POINT BLANK piercing attack with relatively no important damage... while giving too much highlight and focus over Sanji leaving Kanjuro to protect Nami over retrieving Momo... because we all know Kanjuro logically SHOULD NEVER LEAVE that place with the existance of "Sanji/Law/Luffy/...etc" while Kanjuro is alone LOL... makes NO SENSE
So... yeah
You don't realise how silly it is say that Usopp will have a CoC? Chopper have more chance than him
Also there is a statement from Oda saying that Usopp will always be the weakest strawhat because he's the only normal human in the crew
Im not downplaying him but that's how Usopp is and will be till EoS
As for Sanji there are LOTS of factors indicating that he can have it and he shares most of them with Luffy (and Zoro)
Lol Isn't that just Ulti's haki effect? Usopp doesn't even have CoA
Also there is a statement from Oda saying that Usopp will always be the weakest strawhat because he's the only normal human in the crew
Im not downplaying him but that's how Usopp is and will be till EoS
As for Sanji there are LOTS of factors indicating that he can have it and he shares most of them with Luffy (and Zoro)
Black lightning isn’t CoC
Also, I don't think Sanji needs to have CoC, it isn't his nature. If anything, Zoro and Usopp are going to be the one who will get it. Sanji can get really good in the other aspects of haki and that wouldn't take anything away from his as a character.
CoC is not about power levels but about one's will. Usopp has more chances of getting CoC than the admirals even though he'll never be on their level.
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CoC is not about power levels but about one's will. Usopp has more chances of getting CoC than the admirals even though he'll never be on their level.
Where did I say such a thing ? You don’t seem to remember what this discussion was about. I said if Usopp has CoC, Sanji definitely has it too. Then your argument for Usopp having it and not Sanji was "let Sanji have his own things or everyone would have an invisible power ranger suit" when CoC is something literally 15 characters are confirmed to possess so far. Speaking of which, isn’t it hypocritical to say Sanji shouldn’t have CoC because we should give him his "own things" but defending at the same time the idea of Zoro and Usopp getting it like Luffy ? That doesn’t make any sense at all.
"Just because a stronger character..."
So now Usopp is stronger than Sanji ?
"Just because a stronger character..."
So now Usopp is stronger than Sanji ?
Exactly
Like Sanji WILL NOT have CoC, and Usopp has more chances than Sanji because of his personality and drawing people and allies just like luffy
yet, somehow despite ALL OF US knowing that about Sanji's character, people will randomly say "Sanji took an L" for not having CoC like XXX and XXX who awakened it... like from the beginning we knew Oda was NOT gonna give it to him, why the fuck are we even talking about this
Like Sanji WILL NOT have CoC, and Usopp has more chances than Sanji because of his personality and drawing people and allies just like luffy
yet, somehow despite ALL OF US knowing that about Sanji's character, people will randomly say "Sanji took an L" for not having CoC like XXX and XXX who awakened it... like from the beginning we knew Oda was NOT gonna give it to him, why the fuck are we even talking about this
Did you see this before quoting me??
I already said there’s a way it could make sense seeing as legendary crews tend to have more than one user (although I don’t think there have been more than two at a time outside of Rocks), but that doesn’t automatically guarantee it will happen, or even that it should. At a certain point, we’re just oversaturating the market; if everyone has CoC, it becomes another boring, generic ability, which sounds way more underwhelming to me.
I already said there’s a way it could make sense seeing as legendary crews tend to have more than one user (although I don’t think there have been more than two at a time outside of Rocks), but that doesn’t automatically guarantee it will happen, or even that it should. At a certain point, we’re just oversaturating the market; if everyone has CoC, it becomes another boring, generic ability, which sounds way more underwhelming to me.