Powers & Abilities Is Law and the Ope Ope no Mi fair game in the WSS competition?

#1
Had this argument on another thread and thought it would be interesting to debate it.

There are 3 prominent opinions on who falls under the WSS competition.
  1. Each and every swordsman/sword user falls under the WSS competition
  2. Only those fall under the WSS title, whose main/strongest asset is swordsmanship
  3. Only "pure" swordsmen fall under it
In my opinion it is 2. Why? Because of, for example, Law. King falls under the WSS title despite of his versatility, since his strongest and main asset is swordsmanship, which is boosted by his zoan, that boosts his physicals. His fire (given his epithet) is just a part of his versatility, so it doesn't really matter in the grand scheme.

As for Law however, I see it differently. Law is a swordsman, yes, but as a swordsman, he sucks. Without his fruit, he struggles stalling one of Doffy's clones. His main power comes from his DF and that DF is vastly superior to his swordsmanship. His DF also has nothing to do with swordsmanship and is separated. Gamma Knife, heart removal, shambles, his most frequently used and most devastating abilities are not related to swordsmanship. Not even his cutting is. His cutting is spatial hax and can be performed with basically any tool. That's why Law uses a plain, low quality no name sword. Because it doesn't matter for his ability.

Would Law becoming the WSS through the sheer power of his DF be a fair game? Would it count? Because, plot aside, Law could basically steal any swordsman's sword with shambles (like he has stolen the Den Den Mushi out of the Marines pockets) and then destroy him with his devil fruit.

It's imo a difference, whether a DF just adds to the versatility of a swordsman, or if said DF or ability makes up the vast majority of his power, while his swordsmanship in itself is just a weak side power. Thus, Shanks and Oden definitely fall under the WSS domain, but guys like Law, imo, not.

Take the following analogy: 2 boxers meet in battle to decide who is the strongest boxer in the world. Only difference, one boxer is fully armored, with blades and a machine gun, while the other one goes naked and with bare fists.

Your thoughts? The Ope Ope no Mi is, of course, only one example, but the most prominent one in this case.

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#7
Law 100% counts. He’s not someone like Kizaru or BM, who you could say are perfectly capable of fighting without his lightsaber/Napoleon. Take Law’s sword away and he’s next to useless. He’s needed his sword in every real fight (Smoker, Vergo, all his Doffy fights, Hawkins) that he’s had.
not to mention we have oda statement for him being a swordman so case closed
 

TheAncientCenturion

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#8
Law 100% counts. He’s not someone like Kizaru or BM, who you could say are perfectly capable of fighting without his lightsaber/Napoleon. Take Law’s sword away and he’s next to useless. He’s needed his sword in every real fight (Smoker, Vergo, all his Doffy fights, Hawkins) that he’s had.
If you can take away their swords and it’s a nerf, they should be counted in the swordsman category. Both Kizaru and Linlin fall in there for that reason, too.
 

Finalbeta

Zoro Worshipper
#9
Yeah. This ain’t complicated kids, he has a sword. He’s a swordsman.
Actually it's true. Having a sword is not enough to be labeled as a swordsman.

You need swordsmanship in order to be englobed into such category and not simply be a sword user, but there's no reason as to why Law should languish either way.

And yeah so nothing is unfair here.
 
#10
Whats your opinion on fujitora
Depends on the ratio of strength between his swordsmanship and his DF. So far, he was barely relying on his sword either. But more than Law. So far all of his abilities are based on his DF. Dropping meteors, increasing gravity around a given location, lifting matter up. Even his most offensive move is just him throwing horizontal gravity.

Let's rephrase it. Imagine DFless Fujitora loses low diff to Mihawk, but wins extreme diff by spamming island sized gravity waves.

lmao did oda say he is a swordman or not ?? now ppl want to make exceptions about everything :suresure::suresure::suresure:
It's a pretty valid concern though.

Law 100% counts. He’s not someone like Kizaru or BM, who you could say are perfectly capable of fighting without his lightsaber/Napoleon. Take Law’s sword away and he’s next to useless. He’s needed his sword in every real fight (Smoker, Vergo, all his Doffy fights, Hawkins) that he’s had.
What. It is exactly the other way around. Law doesn't need his sword at all to perform any of his abilities. Even for the cutting, he could take a knife or any other sharp tool.
 

Garp the Fist

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#15
What. It is exactly the other way around. Law doesn't need his sword at all to perform any of his abilities. Even for the cutting, he could take a knife or any other sharp tool.
This is like saying that Zoro would be perfectly capable of fighting at the same level with a scythe like he used against Kamazou, or a knife.

There’s nothing to suggest that Law is at all skilled in any weapon other than the sword.
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If you can take away their swords and it’s a nerf, they should be counted in the swordsman category. Both Kizaru and Linlin fall in there for that reason, too.
Kizaru I’m still iffy about because he didn’t bring out his sword once in Marineford. It might be the case that he only brings his swords out for serious one on one fights, and that’s why he did it against Ray, but I don’t think we know enough to say for sure.

Linlin, again, seems to swap and change between using Napoleon and fighting with her hands with the homies. If throughout the fight on the roof she uses Napoleon the majority of the time, I’ll say she counts, but until we see more of her I’m still keeping her in the maybe category
 
#16
There’s nothing to suggest that Law is at all skilled in any weapon other than the sword.
He is. Doffy said Law was not only taught in swordsmanship by Diamante, but also by Lao G in martial Arts and in weaponry by Gladius.

You talk about Kizaru being iffy, when Law is an even more extreme example. Like literally, his abilities have zero to do with swordsmanship. Gamma Knife? Heart Removal? Shambles? Not even the cutting is swordsmanship but spatial hax. Whether he swings his nameless sword or an old rusty knife, he will bust that mountain. Of course he uses a sword, because a sword is a better weapon of choice than a knife, but still, his DF makes up vast majority of his power.

But Kizaru too is a good example.

Do you realize that Law could just teleport Zoro's swords out of his hands and throw them into the sea?
 
#17
Depends on the ratio of strength between his swordsmanship and his DF. So far, he was barely relying on his sword either. But more than Law. So far all of his abilities are based on his DF. Dropping meteors, increasing gravity around a given location, lifting matter up. Even his most offensive move is just him throwing horizontal gravity.

Let's rephrase it. Imagine DFless Fujitora loses low diff to Mihawk, but wins extreme diff by spamming island sized gravity waves.


It's a pretty valid concern though.


What. It is exactly the other way around. Law doesn't need his sword at all to perform any of his abilities. Even for the cutting, he could take a knife or any other sharp tool.
dude fujitora has a fucking DF that gave him gravity / bringing a meteor from the outer space and he is still considered a swordman by oda lmao
 
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