Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1001 Spoilers Discussion

[CbShadow]

Killer showed an attack equal a rengoku oni giri, that fact you cannot deal with.
The same onigiri that Zoro used to defeat Kamazou.

Zoro = Killer for now, Zoro may prove stronger later, but it is not the reality now

That is just wrong. It doesn't work that way.

Hody who was not as strong as Luffy, not counting his G4 which puts Luffy on even higher level, almost killer Luffy because of his deadly bite.

The rest I've already answered in a previous post.

You are wrong.

You can't just give Killer those blades, weapons or whatever he meant and then ignore everything else about that battle. I'm seeing too many people do this and that is a mistake.

Zoro was then and still is much stronger than Killer.

Zoro is physically much stronger than Killer. He stopped Killer from pulling the scythe out of his body by just flexing his muscles.

Zoro is much faster than Killer. Killer was only able to hit Zoro because he was distracted by a character he was ignoring and didn't consider a threat.

Zoro also blitzed Killer. Zoro didn't need to block or break through Killer's weapon to hit him.

Zoro still had faster attacks. His lion song and dragon blaze attacks are two of his fastest attacks.

Zoro is a more skilled fighter and blade/edge weapon user. He used the scythe skillfully in an instant and used it to help defeat Killer. Killer had more experience with it and time to train with it.

Zoro vs Ryuma is a excellent fight that strong how strong Zoro with 2 swords can be.

 

[Crush]

Awaiting raws

 

[Celestial D. Dragon]

What, didnt you say that Zoro didnt had ryou because he didnt injure Kaido seriously enough? Even though it was clearly stated when the scabbards stabed him that adv ryou was ESSENTIAL to be able to harm Kaido?

And that is not what I said in the slightest. I said Zoro doesn't possess the same Haki Luffy does.

Show me a single quote where I said he doesn't have Haki at all.... I'll wait....

Again... You guys misconstruing what I say....

 

[KAIDO D. STRONGER]

 

[Buusatan94]

This chapter is also one of the many reminders that it's always Luffy who land the decisive and final hits on the big bad and gets the credits for it.

 

[Shisui]

"As Kaidou looks at Luffy, he sees the shadows of Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Shanks and Rocks behind him"
I know it is a stretch but what if the shadows are a representation of each SNs.
Luffy - Roger ( The parallel is painfully obvious)
Zoro - Oden (If you know you know)
Kidd - Shanks ( They both lost an arm and have red hair)
Law - Rocks (He threw rocks at Kaido, that has to mean something)
Killer - WB (Blondes nuff said)

 

[BangOO🍅]

eyyy welcome back bro lol

 

[Ryuarashi]

This chapter is also one of the many reminders that it's always Luffy who land the decisive and final hits on the big bad and gets the credits for it.

Wait what? I thought Zoro was the main character?

Wasn't he going to kill Kaido?

"As Kaidou looks at Luffy, he sees the shadows of Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Shanks and Rocks behind him"
I know it is a stretch but what if the shadows are a representation of each SNs.
Luffy - Roger ( The parallel is painfully obvious)
Zoro - Oden (If you know you know)
Kidd - Shanks ( They both lost an arm and have red hair)
Law - Rocks (He threw rocks at Kaido, that has to mean something)
Killer - WB (Blondes nuff said)

No

 

[Finalbeta]

Wait what? I thought Zoro was the main character?

Wasn't he going to kill Kaido?

What makes you suggest he isn't

 

[kom5]

lol ....

Shanks go in to holy land .... alone ....

if any one ... Shanks is the one who is sure he would be safe no matter what

your "feeling" comes from wank

This is not feeling this potrayal the gorosei are busy and Shanks is disturbing them thats all if all they could wipe him out there the gorosei and Im are the last enemies therefore the strongest out of all enemies

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"As Kaidou looks at Luffy, he sees the shadows of Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Shanks and Rocks behind him"
I know it is a stretch but what if the shadows are a representation of each SNs.
Luffy - Roger ( The parallel is painfully obvious)
Zoro - Oden (If you know you know)
Kidd - Shanks ( They both lost an arm and have red hair)
Law - Rocks (He threw rocks at Kaido, that has to mean something)
Killer - WB (Blondes nuff said)

Now because of this post I got eye cancer please make it stop

 

[uyuu]

"As Kaidou looks at Luffy, he sees the shadows of Roger, Whitebeard, Oden, Shanks and Rocks behind him"
I know it is a stretch but what if the shadows are a representation of each SNs.
Luffy - Roger ( The parallel is painfully obvious)
Zoro - Oden (If you know you know)
Kidd - Shanks ( They both lost an arm and have red hair)
Law - Rocks (He threw rocks at Kaido, that has to mean something)
Killer - WB (Blondes nuff said)

The shadows are behind Luffy. It's Luffy who holds that kind of potential, not the others.

 

[Chaves]

Theres just two groups up top, supernovas and yonkos, ninja-pirate-samurai-warever-alliance vs BM+ kaido alliance. Unless you wanna separate them into the "group who ate a fireball to the face" and "group who decided that eating a fireball to the face was a bad idea". Zoro hatters must be REALY stupid to try separating them into diferent "groups" because of a fucking gag LMAO.


But hey, Zoro fans are used dealing with that kind of delusions....nothing new here.

Did you read the spoilers? It seems not.

Literally states in the spoilers Zoro and Killer getting together to make an attack, later, Law / Luffy / Kid forming a combo to attack Kaido. And it has nothing to do with gag lol
It's just Oda separating the groups, and as we all already knew: Kid and Law >>> Zoro / Killer

That is just wrong. It doesn't work that way.

Hody who was not as strong as Luffy, not counting his G4 which puts Luffy on even higher level, almost killer Luffy because of his deadly bite.

The rest I've already answered in a previous post.

When the chapter comes out, I'll quote you there on the Zoro vs Killer thread, it's better than debating here

 

[Ryuarashi]

What makes you suggest he isn't

Because he will never overshadow Luffy, as usual Zoro will have his stoic badass moments but he will never overshadow Luffy

 

[KAIDO D. STRONGER]

eyyy welcome back bro lol

thanks buddy. Keep bringing great kaido spoilers.:cheers:

 

[Gauntlet]

This chapter is also one of the many reminders that it's always Luffy who land the decisive and final hits on the big bad and gets the credits for it.

Captain Axe Hand Morgan: "Am I a joke to you?"

 

[Uncle Van]

You can disagree with me. Never said you can't.

Then dont claim I'm bias or not reading your posts, nor use my position as a moderator to say I'm close minded just because I disagreed with you.

The problem is that even when I say Shanks is a swordsman, somehow that can only mean Mihawk is stronger than him. Like status entirely holds merit over action apparently here.

Well Mihawk has a definitive title with no contradictions so far, except for the things people make up without evidence.

I can't read the manga and believe what I'm seeing apparently. Shanks clearly hasn't shown more impressive feats than Mihawk apparently. The author isn't conveying this message to me apparently, so im wrong.

Isn't this the ABC logic you complained about? Saying someone is stronger because they have better feats? I can easily mention BM....Katakuri has way more more feats than King but that doesnt mean he's stronger.

Soda never conveyed any message that says Shanks>Mihawk. You personally find Shanks more impressive which is completely subjective. Mihawk has concrete portrayal thanks to his title.

Like according to you, no other viable idea is possible because of Mihawk's title. Apparently, Shanks losing his arm, but not losing to Mihawk is impossible. Mihawk gaining his title because of this is impossible..

How is any of this evidence that Shanks>Mihawk or something? This is an assumption. It is a fact that Shanks is a swordsman and Mihawk is called the WSS. Get it?

Shanks potentially having a different fighting style if he fights Luffy (which is a plot point Oda keeps bringing up by the way, him fighting Luffy) is impossible. Apparently, while never explicitly stated in the manga, there is no viable way for Shanks to not have been defeated by Mihawk. Thats your interpretation.

Different fighting style is irrelevant. It didn't matter for Zoro or his opponents so it shouldn't exempt Shanks. I gave you plenty of evidence as to why that is with Zoro himself and his battles. You gave me none for Shanks.

Whether Shanks or Mihawk won isn't a factor. We know that Shanks is a swordsman and that Mihawk is the WSS. That is evidence. You, once again, use complete assumptions.

So again, its not because you disagree with me, its because you are blatantly disregarding the possibility of these things happening, especially since we know nothing of the characters.

We have something called portrayal. It was portrayal that kept Roger as one of the strongest in the series despite his only feat being decapitation by fodder for 950+ chapter. Mihawk's title is his portrayal. The stuff you mention in favor of Shanks are all assumptions with no evidence.

Its not about the WSS meaning what it means. I get that it means Mihawk is the best swordsman. However, the Yonko are the 4 strongest pirates in the world. So if I take the literal interpretation of Yonko, it would mean Mihawk is not one for the 4 strongest pirates in the world, right?

The yonko were never called the strongest. That's a huge misconception. They were called the 4 greatest pirates with the kanji referring to their political power as the Great Politicans.

See how one thing contradicts the other? See how black and white that sounds? That's my point. Its more complicated than that, and thats why I brought up your mod status, because you weren't just disagreeing with me. You were effectively telling me "no, Shanks swordsman" anytime I brought up an argument. I'd expect that from more...essentric users here. But apparently, I'm petty because I think this.

No contradiction as explained above. And there was no reason whatsoever for you to mention my position. It does nothing but hurt your argument as it makes you come off as petty and that you have no arguments.

So bottom line, it is not an assumption to Mihawk is above Shanks due to WSS title. It's is not bias or close mindedness to say that and there's no hard evidence for Shanks being above Mihawk.

 

[Finalbeta]

Because he will never overshadow Luffy, as usual Zoro will have his stoic badass moments but he will never overshadow Luffy

He does not even need to
Luffy is taking the old hag's head

 

[Fujishiro]

Kid goes from struggling against gifters with Killers help to hurting Kaido slight with a group attack with Luffy and Law. I can see why people are annoyed.

Man was flying over them and slicing them, how is that struggling?

 

[Rekien]

Did you read the spoilers? It seems not.

Literally states in the spoilers Zoro and Killer getting together to make an attack, later, Law / Luffy / Kid forming a combo to attack Kaido. And it has nothing to do with gag lol
It's just Oda separating the groups, and as we all already knew: Kid and Law >>> Zoro / Killer



When the chapter comes out, I'll quote you there on the Zoro vs Killer thread, it's better than debating here

The other 3 only atacked after Zoro and killer because they where recovering from the fireball....Why do you speak like the fight is already over? LOL, and why would that make them into diferent "groups"?

 

[kom5]

Someday even @Jo_Ndule will accept Prime Garps superiority over Kaido

Lets look at the plot does it make sense to make the past stronger than the present and overshadow the MC victory ? No

The present is stronger than the past the enemies now are stronger
Kaido>Roger and WB
BM>=Roger andWB
and therefore it makes them stronger than even prime Garp

Luffy will surpass Roger if he beats enemies that are weaker than him and his enemies that whats the point in Luffys prestige ?

Kaido is the strongest being out there and BM is close to him both are inhuman beings and monsters