Yea Advanced Ryou is rare. Barrier Ryou is something commonly taught in Wano to Samurais, Boa sisters have it, Sentumaru has it, Admirals have it etc... The Sccabards have Ryou(Barrier) Kaido doesn't think thats enough or say the line about people who can fight him. Luffy uses Advance and Kaido responds that way. Kidd doesn't know about Advance Ryou which is Rare and only seen in top tiers.
zoro lives rent free in this dude head @stealthblack
Luffy only used Barrier in Red Roc, not the internal. Zoro's words confirm that.
No, retainers used Adv CoA Barrier, Zoro and Killer not.
Like I said, no black lightning, no black swords, no aura aroud their weapons like Luffy with Red Roc, not any quote saying that they used and Zoro confirmed that he is not an Adv CoA user with his words since Hyogoro taught Luffy about Barrier. He didn't know about Internal until Luffy did it with the cuffs.
No, retainers used Adv CoA Barrier, Zoro and Killer not.
Like I said, no black lightning, no black swords, no aura aroud their weapons like Luffy with Red Roc, not any quote saying that they used and Zoro confirmed that he is not an Adv CoA user with his words since Hyogoro taught Luffy about Barrier. He didn't know about Internal until Luffy did it with the cuffs.
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Yet he didn´t have any cut now, either when he take all cuts in dragon form, all vanished.
Kaido literally proof it here that only ryu user can hurt him:
Later in same chapter we know that all use Ryu step one, Hyo himself proof that wano samurai could have ryu.
Their is no way that base Zoro without HAKI or Killer could cut a Kaido, their is not a single point to believe it since Kaido himself make the point that blades usually not cut him.
They only manage to little hurt him, Kaido heal power is too great to give him a major wound, he literally pointed it against the Scabbards:
And Killer indeed cut Kaido, you can see around his head little blood similar as what Zoro did:
Around Kaido head: Bloood which he take from Killer
Around Kaido belly: Blood which he take from Zoro
You can only wound Kaido via ryu, another else wouldn´t work, blades neither.
Luffy hurt and bring Kaido in blood with a g3 attack, yet Kong gun didn´t even hurt him much as before, Kaido was prepared this time.
You mean like this?
Neither of these guys had black sword yet their where able to cut Kaido and you only can cut him via Ryu.
Because Luffy use penetration haki a step above Ryu with even Hyo proof in udon back then.
Ofc Killer or Kid haven´t it, Kaido literally show guys like Roger,Oden and co having it and only match to hit him like that, with make Luffy rare, he don´t mentioned the retainers.
Kaido literally proof it here that only ryu user can hurt him:
Later in same chapter we know that all use Ryu step one, Hyo himself proof that wano samurai could have ryu.
Their is no way that base Zoro without HAKI or Killer could cut a Kaido, their is not a single point to believe it since Kaido himself make the point that blades usually not cut him.
They only manage to little hurt him, Kaido heal power is too great to give him a major wound, he literally pointed it against the Scabbards:
And Killer indeed cut Kaido, you can see around his head little blood similar as what Zoro did:
Around Kaido head: Bloood which he take from Killer
Around Kaido belly: Blood which he take from Zoro
You can only wound Kaido via ryu, another else wouldn´t work, blades neither.
Luffy hurt and bring Kaido in blood with a g3 attack, yet Kong gun didn´t even hurt him much as before, Kaido was prepared this time.
You mean like this?
Neither of these guys had black sword yet their where able to cut Kaido and you only can cut him via Ryu.
Because Luffy use penetration haki a step above Ryu with even Hyo proof in udon back then.
Ofc Killer or Kid haven´t it, Kaido literally show guys like Roger,Oden and co having it and only match to hit him like that, with make Luffy rare, he don´t mentioned the retainers.
Kaido was shown bleeding in the very next panel when they all hit the ground. Selective panel posting doesn't help anyone.
Which is why I stated that neither actually cut Kaido.
You can even see in that panel Kaido is still bleeding.
He didn't cut him.
There's literally a zoomed in panel of Kaido's neck and there's no cut there. You guys are just jumping to conclusions when there's nothing concrete there.
Maybe because he didn't use adCOA when he used Kong Gun
Which is why I stated that neither actually cut Kaido.
You can even see in that panel Kaido is still bleeding.
And Killer indeed cut Kaido, you can see around his head little blood similar as what Zoro did:
Around Kaido head: Bloood which he take from Killer
Around Kaido belly: Blood which he take from Zoro
You can only wound Kaido via ryu, another else wouldn´t work, blades neither.
Luffy hurt and bring Kaido in blood with a g3 attack, yet Kong gun didn´t even hurt him much as before, Kaido was prepared this time.
Around Kaido head: Bloood which he take from Killer
Around Kaido belly: Blood which he take from Zoro
You can only wound Kaido via ryu, another else wouldn´t work, blades neither.
Luffy hurt and bring Kaido in blood with a g3 attack, yet Kong gun didn´t even hurt him much as before, Kaido was prepared this time.
There's literally a zoomed in panel of Kaido's neck and there's no cut there. You guys are just jumping to conclusions when there's nothing concrete there.
Maybe because he didn't use adCOA when he used Kong Gun
First, in case Kawamatsu used Adv Haki there but Oda didn't draw it with the typical effects, is not valid proof for Zoro and Killer since we know from BEFORE that Kawamatsu has this Haki because he showed it before while Zoro & Killer didn't show it before.
Second, that Kawamatsu attack can be without Haki without a problem since this chapter basically confirms that you don't need Ryou for damaging Kaido, you only need enough AP since his hardness has a limit like it was obviously. Trunks would cut him to pieces and he doesn't have "Ryou".
And now that I remember, even Kinemon has a scene like that where he cut his mouth without Haki. Another piece of evidence for it.
Second, that Kawamatsu attack can be without Haki without a problem since this chapter basically confirms that you don't need Ryou for damaging Kaido, you only need enough AP since his hardness has a limit like it was obviously. Trunks would cut him to pieces and he doesn't have "Ryou".
And now that I remember, even Kinemon has a scene like that where he cut his mouth without Haki. Another piece of evidence for it.
You think both Zoro and Killer aren´t able to cut Kaido in this panel?
What are then the small black points around Kaido body?
Yeah after taking a attack from 4guys using ryu+hardening, later it stop bleeding and heal himself back.
Doubt it since Luffy know without adCoA he can´t damage him, the different was that Kaido was prepared and don´t let him caught against as in previous chapter.
What are then the small black points around Kaido body?
Yeah after taking a attack from 4guys using ryu+hardening, later it stop bleeding and heal himself back.
Doubt it since Luffy know without adCoA he can´t damage him, the different was that Kaido was prepared and don´t let him caught against as in previous chapter.
Yes I don't think they cut Kaido in that panel.
It could be anything
Exactly he stopped bleeding LATER.
But in this chapter, he isn't even bleeding initially. Oda zooms in at that initial attack to his neck and there's no blood
Him being prepared or not would be irrelevant because as long as the attack with adCOA lands, Kaido should take damage but he didn't so it means there was no adcOA
It could be anything
Exactly he stopped bleeding LATER.
But in this chapter, he isn't even bleeding initially. Oda zooms in at that initial attack to his neck and there's no blood
Him being prepared or not would be irrelevant because as long as the attack with adCOA lands, Kaido should take damage but he didn't so it means there was no adcOA
No I mean it with the point that Kaido wasn´t take any big damage by the retainers, the retainer still had not the same lvl as Oden have it.
When Luffy hit Kaido, he directly remind himself about Oden,Roger and co.
Without haki you cannot damage Kaido, Kid literally said it about punches, in his intro in chapter 795 it was stated that neither blades or other stuff couldn´t kill him, Kaido HIMSELF state that blades couldn´t hurt him, the only way where ryu as he state it out.
If Zoro and Killer indeed cut Kaido, they use ryu but @Geo has a point with saying neither Zoro or Killer cut off Kaido.
In that case if they cut Kaido, they most like use both ryu.
Why using trunks as example when we literally having a Luffy who Kong Organ couldn´t even scatch Kaido? You wanna tell me Killer and Zoro Ap(without haki) >>>Kong Organ?
Like I said before Kaido himself state that blades couldn´t hurt him, only ryu can.
When Luffy hit Kaido, he directly remind himself about Oden,Roger and co.
Without haki you cannot damage Kaido, Kid literally said it about punches, in his intro in chapter 795 it was stated that neither blades or other stuff couldn´t kill him, Kaido HIMSELF state that blades couldn´t hurt him, the only way where ryu as he state it out.
If Zoro and Killer indeed cut Kaido, they use ryu but @Geo has a point with saying neither Zoro or Killer cut off Kaido.
In that case if they cut Kaido, they most like use both ryu.
Why using trunks as example when we literally having a Luffy who Kong Organ couldn´t even scatch Kaido? You wanna tell me Killer and Zoro Ap(without haki) >>>Kong Organ?
Like I said before Kaido himself state that blades couldn´t hurt him, only ryu can.
