You realize Kaido is going to be proven wrong right. Lol Shonen one v one. Yes he smiling because its going to be a good fight. You realize Kaido thing is he doesn't want boring world and he wants good fights. After he told BM to stand back let him see these guys really got he starts smiling. Xause he enjoying himself. When the sccabards showed him what they really got, he said they are weak and not monsters. Also take note: He calling them little monsters off of their opening attacks. Onigiri isn't a high level 3 sword style attack. Thats normally Zoro opening attack.
General & Others Who still thinks Zoro surpasses Oden this arc ?
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even if Kaido get proven otherwise ... it would be at the end of arc when Luffy did all of his power ups and stand whole level above now
at end of Wano ... Luffy MIGHT get a chance ....
but that's cause he have MC plot armor level around him
Zoro and others ain't have that
Zoro will reopen what Oden created and that's a good and max level hype for him
at end of Wano ... Luffy MIGHT get a chance ....
but that's cause he have MC plot armor level around him
Zoro and others ain't have that
Zoro will reopen what Oden created and that's a good and max level hype for him
Luffy is stronger than Oden. He just did what Kaido taught he couldn't do and damage him where he couldn’t quickly heal from it. Which is why he says. How the hell did he di that and start comparing him to people who can actually fight him. So what what we do know is.
Luffy has power to damage him like Oden a significant way.
Luffy has better CoO/FS then Oden
I would say Oden had more lethality because of his Sword attacks.
Luffy is more versatile than Oden because of his fruit. Idk what your talking about with this and Luffy in big fights always has something in the bag we didn't see. Lucci he had G3, Katakuri he had Snakeman, Doffy G4 etc.... So Don't think the Luffy you seeing at the opening is going to be the same Luffy when things get down to the wire and Onigashima is about to fall.
Luffy has power to damage him like Oden a significant way.
Luffy has better CoO/FS then Oden
I would say Oden had more lethality because of his Sword attacks.
Luffy is more versatile than Oden because of his fruit. Idk what your talking about with this and Luffy in big fights always has something in the bag we didn't see. Lucci he had G3, Katakuri he had Snakeman, Doffy G4 etc.... So Don't think the Luffy you seeing at the opening is going to be the same Luffy when things get down to the wire and Onigashima is about to fall.
No end of Wano he is. Lol Samething people were saying no way Luffy leaving WCI on Katakuri level. Look how that turned out. No many Ls taking, but hey doubting Luffy and Zoro will .ake people take Ls. We will see though. I guess i should think of it has Oda being a giod writer somewhat. He makes people really think the their no way things can happen to surprise them. It happened in dressrosa alot of people taughr Luffy couldn’t beat Doffy and had no clue about G4. Lol 😆 Oda a genius
Bro I am not talking about superficial hits. After Luffy hits him he starts thinking about people who gave him good fight. After sccabards be says there attacks are garbage.
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Bro I am not talking about superficial hits. After Luffy hits him he starts thinking about people who gave him good fight. After sccabards be says there attacks are garbage.
I will give him more hype ... and maybe equal AP as Oden
but I still doubt they have equal DP as Oden who tanked 1 hour long magma level oil with 10 people above his head
but I would hail Zoro as a top tier nonetheless ... as any logical man should
but again ... don't worry ... Kaido is a power level guy ... he LIKES to compare people to X or Y
if either Zoro or Luffy come close to Oden level
or they do something Oden could have done
100% Kaido will say something like : "your power remind me of Oden" or "just like Oden" or something like that
he didn't failed me yet as well ... and I had more badshit crazy shit expectations than this :)
but I still doubt they have equal DP as Oden who tanked 1 hour long magma level oil with 10 people above his head
but I would hail Zoro as a top tier nonetheless ... as any logical man should
but again ... don't worry ... Kaido is a power level guy ... he LIKES to compare people to X or Y
if either Zoro or Luffy come close to Oden level
or they do something Oden could have done
100% Kaido will say something like : "your power remind me of Oden" or "just like Oden" or something like that
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he didn't failed me yet as well ... and I had more badshit crazy shit expectations than this :)
For the black blade argument.
Yes, i can understand why people think it’s too early for Zoro to do it. Too early, hasn’t yet mastered the sword, all good reasons
but
No matter when Zoro does it- he’s going to make Oden look bad retrospectively. Whether Zoro turns Enma black in Wano or by EoS, he’s doing something Oden failed to do in decades in the space of a year, and with a lot less battles.
There’s also the fact that there will never be a more narratively appropriate time for Enma to be made a black blade than now. Enma is Oden’s sword. It’s being used against the man who killed Oden. It’s being used in order to defend Oden’s family and people, and achieve Oden’s dream. It is in the land of samurai, where a famous swordsman, with a connection to Zoro, also forged his black blade- and that samurai‘s most important fight seems to have been against a dragon like Kaido
This being the arc where Enma becomes a kokuto just fits. The pieces are all there to be slotted into place. It won’t have have the same weight in a fight against Mihawk, or Shiryu. There, it just one of three swords, and tbh, Wado is more important, as the sword that has been Zoro’s since childhood. This is the arc where Enma is a big plot point, a tangible connection between the dead Oden and the present day fight.
I thought it would be Diamond Shiryu and the fight would be like a super Mr 1 version. So since OJ there’s been a good few developments that have changed my perception of what Shiryu will be like
-the DF, which no one saw coming. Ironically, given what it does
-the Blackbeard/Rocks connection, where we can now see that Blackbeard is trying to make Rocks 2.0. Can Shiryu match a young Whitebeard, as he was the second strongest Rocks Pirate? I don’t see why not, Weevil apparently can.
-Oda being willing to give a subordinate like Oden such heavy, well, wank. I don’t see any reason why he can’t do that for Blackbeard’s subordinate.
Oda increasingly emphasising to us that One Piece is coming to an end, and Zoro looking to have a much larger role in the Kaido fight than most thought would happen prior to Wano.
Hell, it was only a few chalters ago that some were still saying that Zoro would have no role at all.
I don’t see why Zoro is any different from Law, Kid or Killer in this regard.
Well, there’s no “neccessity”. It’s what i think will happen, and it makes sense to me given that the series is nearly done and Zoro will be the WSS soon, but that doesn’t make it a necessity. The story can go on without Zoro being Oden level- but it doesn’t make it any more or less likely.
That is something we’ll see when it happens. For one thing, Zoro mostly uses Santoryuu, not Niitoryuu. We could easily see Zoro make a new scar, opening up the old X shaped one and adding another line using his third sword, turning it into a more star shaped scar.
No, it’s not unfounded. You can say it would be early, but there’s no argument that Kaido is the best possible opponent for Enma to be made a black blade against.
I’ll also point out- Oda didn’t need to bring up the “make Enma a black blade” plot before the Kaido fight. Could very easily have came after it, with Hitetsu saying it could be something to do in the future. By suggesting it prior to a fight with Kaido, and given the relationship between Enma, Kaido and Oden, it does then bring up the possibility that Oda mentioned it then to set up it happening now.
It’s going to be counterintuitive to an extent whenever he makes Enma black, because of how late he got it compared to all his other swords. They are meant to be forged in battle, it’s not a case of you reaching X level of strength and BAM, you have a black sword. Zoro’s not going to have foguht anywhere near as much with Enma as his other two. Or Wado, at least, if Zoro changes Sandai as well.
Nor does he need to be weaker than Oden after Wano. There’s nothing saying that Zoro needs a big fight on Elbaf, so what would be wrong with him getting to Laugh Tale as strong as Oden was when he got there?
Yes, i can understand why people think it’s too early for Zoro to do it. Too early, hasn’t yet mastered the sword, all good reasons
but
No matter when Zoro does it- he’s going to make Oden look bad retrospectively. Whether Zoro turns Enma black in Wano or by EoS, he’s doing something Oden failed to do in decades in the space of a year, and with a lot less battles.
There’s also the fact that there will never be a more narratively appropriate time for Enma to be made a black blade than now. Enma is Oden’s sword. It’s being used against the man who killed Oden. It’s being used in order to defend Oden’s family and people, and achieve Oden’s dream. It is in the land of samurai, where a famous swordsman, with a connection to Zoro, also forged his black blade- and that samurai‘s most important fight seems to have been against a dragon like Kaido
This being the arc where Enma becomes a kokuto just fits. The pieces are all there to be slotted into place. It won’t have have the same weight in a fight against Mihawk, or Shiryu. There, it just one of three swords, and tbh, Wado is more important, as the sword that has been Zoro’s since childhood. This is the arc where Enma is a big plot point, a tangible connection between the dead Oden and the present day fight.
I thought it would be Diamond Shiryu and the fight would be like a super Mr 1 version. So since OJ there’s been a good few developments that have changed my perception of what Shiryu will be like
-the DF, which no one saw coming. Ironically, given what it does
-the Blackbeard/Rocks connection, where we can now see that Blackbeard is trying to make Rocks 2.0. Can Shiryu match a young Whitebeard, as he was the second strongest Rocks Pirate? I don’t see why not, Weevil apparently can.
-Oda being willing to give a subordinate like Oden such heavy, well, wank. I don’t see any reason why he can’t do that for Blackbeard’s subordinate.
Oda increasingly emphasising to us that One Piece is coming to an end, and Zoro looking to have a much larger role in the Kaido fight than most thought would happen prior to Wano.
Hell, it was only a few chalters ago that some were still saying that Zoro would have no role at all.
I don’t see why Zoro is any different from Law, Kid or Killer in this regard.
Well, there’s no “neccessity”. It’s what i think will happen, and it makes sense to me given that the series is nearly done and Zoro will be the WSS soon, but that doesn’t make it a necessity. The story can go on without Zoro being Oden level- but it doesn’t make it any more or less likely.
That is something we’ll see when it happens. For one thing, Zoro mostly uses Santoryuu, not Niitoryuu. We could easily see Zoro make a new scar, opening up the old X shaped one and adding another line using his third sword, turning it into a more star shaped scar.
No, it’s not unfounded. You can say it would be early, but there’s no argument that Kaido is the best possible opponent for Enma to be made a black blade against.
I’ll also point out- Oda didn’t need to bring up the “make Enma a black blade” plot before the Kaido fight. Could very easily have came after it, with Hitetsu saying it could be something to do in the future. By suggesting it prior to a fight with Kaido, and given the relationship between Enma, Kaido and Oden, it does then bring up the possibility that Oda mentioned it then to set up it happening now.
It’s going to be counterintuitive to an extent whenever he makes Enma black, because of how late he got it compared to all his other swords. They are meant to be forged in battle, it’s not a case of you reaching X level of strength and BAM, you have a black sword. Zoro’s not going to have foguht anywhere near as much with Enma as his other two. Or Wado, at least, if Zoro changes Sandai as well.
Nor does he need to be weaker than Oden after Wano. There’s nothing saying that Zoro needs a big fight on Elbaf, so what would be wrong with him getting to Laugh Tale as strong as Oden was when he got there?
and that samurai ... have to "reopen" his scar ... not create a new one
I can EASILY see Kaido say "you can reach his level" or "this was kinda close to what Oden did" or things like this ...
but "JUST AS STRONG" .... no .... I just don't EXPECT that
Oda and Kaido would be the judges of what will happen ... I'm ready to admit to anything Oda shows me even if I don't like it
I can EASILY see Kaido say "you can reach his level" or "this was kinda close to what Oden did" or things like this ...
but "JUST AS STRONG" .... no .... I just don't EXPECT that
Oda and Kaido would be the judges of what will happen ... I'm ready to admit to anything Oda shows me even if I don't like it