News One Piece: Vivre Card (Data book)-Discussion Thread

Well, consider we, the "audience", are going to know Sabo's new bounty before, which Is likely going to be in the 3B range.
And there Is always the "worst criminal", who should equate to highest bounty.

It's possible that even the other Revos Commanders, having attacked Marijoa, are going to have a bounty increase.

So, as things are, what number would you bet on?
Dragon - I would feel more comfortable with 4.5 Billion but if he has 5 I won’t be super shocked just more annoyed by odas inability to properly build him after over a thousand chapters.

Sabo - 2 Billion
Iva - 1.7 Billion

The other being 1 - 1.4 Billions
 
Dragon - I would feel more comfortable with 4.5 Billion but if he has 5 I won’t be super shocked just more annoyed by odas inability to properly build him after over a thousand chapters.

Sabo - 2 Billion
Iva - 1.7 Billion

The other being 1 - 1.4 Billions
On Sabo though, I really think 3B are very likely.

Other than the fame, attacking Marijoa, destroying CDs' symbol, the dude saw Imu and Cobra's assasination.
 
I don’t think 3 Billion would be fair seeing everything Luffy went through to get it. Sabo getting it off of fake hype would be real trash.
Condier that Luffy was underselled by the WG. His real action/worth Is higher.

Also, the strenght Is a quesiton mark, but he really did dose thing:

- he really attacked Marijoa;
- he really declared war on CDs and destroyed their symbol;
- he really saw Imu and Cobra's assasination.

The fake was us believing he had wounded Fujitora.
 
The problem isn't that Luffy has a 3bn bounty.

The problem is that Oda decided, for whatever reason, Law and Kid should have equal bounties.
Right , same with buggy

at least we can tell who is legit or not when it comes to bounties , top tiers with 3B is usually representing their level of power whilst weaker characters is just describing their feat
 
Condier that Luffy was underselled by the WG. His real action/worth Is higher.

Also, the strenght Is a quesiton mark, but he really did dose thing:

- he really attacked Marijoa;
- he really declared war on CDs and destroyed their symbol;
- he really saw Imu and Cobra's assasination.

The fake was us believing he had wounded Fujitora.
Luffys not worth more than 3 Billion right now. Egghead proved that Admirals are still stronger than him.
 
I don’t think 3 Billion would be fair seeing everything Luffy went through to get it. Sabo getting it off of fake hype would be real trash.
Sabo should have a higher bounty by virtue of his position within the Revolutionary Army.

As the face of the movement, he is a bigger threat to the World Government than Luffy, who does not act like an actual Yonkou does, and whose main threat (i.e. Nika) the WG doesn't want to become common knowledge.
 
Top tier is top tier imo. I don’t think the subordinate vs captain difference leads to much of a difference. Maybe 500 million at most which still means Luffys bounty is fine.
We saw multiple examples, starting with the Admirals and Mihawk.

Luffy can fight on par with Emperors and top tiers, he was simply underselled because of the Nika thing.
 
We saw multiple examples, starting with the Admirals and Mihawk.

Luffy can fight on par with Emperors and top tiers, he was simply underselled because of the Nika thing.
Mihawks kinda the point? He’s comparable to Shanks and their bounties only 500 million different

Luffy can only fight on par with other emperors when they’re nerfed. Luffys closer to kid and law than he is BB and Shanks
 
Then there Is nothing to discuss: Mihawk has a 4B captain level strenght while having a 3B bounty as a subordinate. As Admirals as Luffy as (probably) Loki, who has even less.



I think Luffy Is beating BM 100%.
Mihawk has a 3.5 B Berry bounty as a subordinate, and even that’s likely because he’s been doing nothing for decades, he’ll probs get a bounty boost in time himself.

We’ll see what this “Subordinate vs Captain” bounty stuff is when Kuzans bounty gets released. I think it’ll be incredibly close to Sakazukis.

And no way is Luffy beating BM. Luffys g5 isn’t strong enough to take her out before he runs out of steam

As I said Luffy is probably still close to kid and law.
 
Right , same with buggy

at least we can tell who is legit or not when it comes to bounties , top tiers with 3B is usually representing their level of power whilst weaker characters is just describing their feat
Buggy warrants his bounty because of Cross Guild, which we know is a front for the criminal underworld, and his association with the likes of Mihawk and Crocodile.

While he is not a significant threat unto himself, like Sabo, he is the face for distabilising entity that poses a threat to the WG.
 
Mihawk has a 3.5 B Berry bounty as a subordinate, and even that’s likely because he’s been doing nothing for decades, he’ll probs get a bounty boost in time himself.
Doubt about the boost since he got his Goroawase, but we'll see.

Anyway, then this Is random: Mihawk Is not even close to 4B. We don't know about the Admirals too tbh, since CG only gives 3 or 4, not 3,5. However, the concept is similar.

Subordinates get less that captains, se have seen It left and right during the manga. Zoro Is another clear example.

We’ll see what this “Subordinate vs Captain” bounty stuff is when Kuzans bounty gets released. I think it’ll be incredibly close to Sakazukis.
I agree, becuase Kuzan's relative Is Akainu, who has 5B.

Even then, I think Kuzan Is getting 4.1-4.4 at max, because he Is a subordinate.
If Akainu has 4, Kuzan would have had 3.1-3.4.

And no way is Luffy beating BM. Luffys g5 isn’t strong enough to take her out before he runs out of steam

As I said Luffy is probably still close to kid and law.
I suppose we'll see against Loki. Imho, Luffy has already showed plenty to put him over BM.
 
Doubt about the boost since he got his Goroawase, but we'll see.

Anyway, then this Is random: Mihawk Is not even close to 4B. We don't know about the Admirals too tbh, since CG only gives 3 or 4, not 3,5. However, the concept is similar.

Subordinates get less that captains, se have seen It left and right during the manga. Zoro Is another clear example.



I agree, becuase Kuzan's relative Is Akainu, who has 5B.

Even then, I think Kuzan Is getting 4.1-4.4 at max, because he Is a subordinate.
If Akainu has 4, Kuzan would have had 3.1-3.4.



I suppose we'll see against Loki. Imho, Luffy has already showed plenty to put him over BM.
Cross Guild will get a boost as they grow more. Mihawks Buggy’s and Crocs are just preliminary bounties. It’s like Blackbeard having a goroawase bounty right now too but we all know he’ll get a bigger one too.

And I think Kuzans getting a 4.6-4.9 billion Berry bounty because Oda never really cares too much about this “subordinate” stuff. Whenever in verse people use bounties to power scale, they never care too specify subordinate or captain. That’s a fandom made concept after all.

And Luffy hasn’t imo. He fought Kizaru both without nerfs, and Luffys G5 tapped out quickly. And BM seems much tankier than Kizaru with an ability to fix damage done to her as well
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It's unbelievable people believe this.
Luffy fought Kizaru 1v1 and was fed by him afterwards while Kizaru was basically fine and could’ve moved on to fight anyone else in egghead without much issue.

Luffys not there yet.
 
Except the arc ended with Kizaru *looking* defeated by his subordinates.

You can bring "mentally nerfed" or whatever brainrot phrases you want, but to the Marines, all they saw was Kizaru flying into a ship and not able to get up.
 
Cross Guild will get a boost as they grow more. Mihawks Buggy’s and Crocs are just preliminary bounties. It’s like Blackbeard having a goroawase bounty right now too but we all know he’ll get a bigger one too.

And I think Kuzans getting a 4.6-4.9 billion Berry bounty because Oda never really cares too much about this “subordinate” stuff. Whenever in verse people use bounties to power scale, they never care too specify subordinate or captain. That’s a fandom made concept after all.

And Luffy hasn’t imo. He fought Kizaru both without nerfs, and Luffys G5 tapped out quickly. And BM seems much tankier than Kizaru with an ability to fix damage done to her as well
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Luffy fought Kizaru 1v1 and was fed by him afterwards while Kizaru was basically fine and could’ve moved on to fight anyone else in egghead without much issue.

Luffys not there yet.
If Luffy was seriously using ACoC, Kizaru along with Lucci would be in the trash bin.
 
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