Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

I feel like this thread is a not really angry enough. I wanna show you what I mean by that.




Here is a dropplet in the ocean of consequences of the crimes of Israel and but a taste of what I've been seeing every morning in the last few month before breakfast :

(This is historical content that needs to be shared for the sake of the memory duty, even to kids. I expect for this post to remain as it is. I want you to understand why ethics matters more than anything else in this situation)

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING - STARVATION / MALNUTRITION

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING - STARVATION / MALNUTRITION

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING - STARVATION / MALNUTRITION

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING - STARVATION / MALNUTRITION

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959242721089999133

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING - DEATH / STARVATION / MALNUTRITION

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959002283653443959

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING - DEATH / STARVATION / MALNUTRITION

This was only for this week.

Spoiler: Wanna radicalize more ? Let's watch history in the eyes shall we ?

Spoiler: TRIGGER WARNING - BOMBARDMENT - DISTANT DEATH

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959245286372471015

Those are the real life consequences of the reactionnary rethorics and dehumanization that no one care to fight systematically on this very forum.

- In Palestine, it takes the form of colonialism, genocide, forced starvation, fascism.
- In France, it takes the form of Eugenism, repression, police violences
- In UK it take the form of a hunt of LGBTI+ and Palestine protestors on a systemic bases
- In the US it takes the form of concentration camps, military and milicia in cities, migrants hunts, and inflation

I asked for the creation of the political section because I wanted a way to fight the rise of fascism that happens everywhere, even in the smallest of spaces like this one.

When I asked this, NONE of those things had even happened. I was not even aware that things would accelerate this fast, this quick, but here we are..

Sending "Humanitary food" bombs like we feed dogs to fix the problem our systems and governements are responsible of (I spared you the video where one of those humanitary box crashes on a kid, you're welcome)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1959556096093249583

Have a good night or a good morning and remember:

 

[Uncle Van]

The Trump administration believes the Smithsonian museums focuses too much on slavery, and has ordered a review to replace the content with more..."patriotic" exhibits. Yes that even includes changes to the African American History Museum.

 

[Logiko]

The Trump administration believes the Smithsonian museums focuses too much on slavery, and has ordered a review to replace the content with more..."patriotic" exhibits. Yes that even includes changes to the African American History Museum.

Good luck. I hope your nation will find a way to fight back.

 

[Reborn]

Did you literally not support trump before the election?

at least you're realizing now i guess. which is more than what can be said for basically half of muricans.

I was with Trump economic vision and I still stand by it.

Having manufacturing base within America
Made in America goods
Check on illegal migration
Reducing trade deficits
Higher exports
Reducing National debt


All these things are essential to build economy and let's be real - USA had been ignoring alll of it.

Such vision helped Japan ,china and India to rise rapidly.

Such economic vision is what America needs.

However, the path he took to execute these visions is the problem.

Him getting deals to raise his personal networth (a rapid rise in his estimated networth since he became President) while common Americans are facing inflation is a problem.

 

[Logiko]

Such economic vision is what America needs.

I think what America needs is the end of capitalism and imperialism.

 

[Reborn]

I think what America needs is the end of capitalism and imperialism.

US won't see end of capitalism

Almost all the countries are deeply intertwined in the global trade, finance, labour movement, supply chain and market forces.

A crash in one part of the world can crash market in entire world.

I will give you an example of how deeply this web runs that when US imposed sanctions on Russia - US asked European nations and India to buy more energy from Russia to stabilize the energy market.

It's so deeply integrated across the world and with politics as well, that a major economy like USA won't see end of capitalism. Because, the world itself won't let it happen

 

[Logiko]

US won't see end of capitalism

Almost all the countries are deeply intertwined in the global trade, finance, labour movement, supply chain and market forces.

A crash in one part of the world can crash market in entire world.

I will give you an example of how deeply this web runs that when US imposed sanctions on Russia - US asked European nations and India to buy more energy from Russia to stabilize the energy market.

It's so deeply integrated across the world and with politics as well, that a major economy like USA won't see end of capitalism. Because, the world itself won't let it happen

Unless the entirerity of the world ends capitalism.
The goal is not just one country.
It's the world.

 

[Reborn]

Unless the entirerity of the world ends capitalism.
The goal is not just one country.
It's the world.

Willingly? Nope not at all

Unless the world face a global catastrophe or global war of massive scale (less probability due to the system itself) that results into collapse of the ongoing system.

 

[Logiko]

Willingly? Nope not at all

Unless the world face a global catastrophe or global war of massive scale (less probability due to the system itself) that results into collapse of the ongoing system.

Do not underestimate the tides of time and people.

Fascism is not rising for no reasons. It's a direct result of decades of unchecked liberal capitalistic policies all over the world. Decades of unchecked destruction, reactionnary politicies and frankly a complete lack of understanding of the social reality of the world.

History and Internet shuffled the cards. The level of education available and the quality of said education is only raising years after years. Fascism is indeed rising the same way that it did before the second world war, but we are much more prepared than before. We have tools to fight it, to debunk it, to pressure it.

The rise of fascism is also the rise of leftism. And in the internet Era, this means leftism can spread much faster as education becomes more efficient. This means that there is a chance for a new wave of REAL leftism to hit just after this fascistic wave. At the condition that we prevent fascism to win and we push back liberalism enough.

A global radical leftist transformation is not impossible in the near future. It won't be enough to take down capitalism, but it would create enough momentum to do it later.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

I think what America needs is the end of capitalism and imperialism.

For this, America needs to end

 

[Mathias]

just after this fascistic wave

You think waves come and go just like this ? I don't see the left winning anything in elections before a decade.

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"Tides of time" is a religion.

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

You think waves come and go just like this ? I don't see the left winning anything in elections before a decade.

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"Tides of time" is a religion.

If they keep sitting in their ivory towers ofc they won't

 

[Logiko]

For this, America needs to end

Well.. kinda yeah. At least it must change shape.

You think waves come and go just like this ? I don't see the left winning anything in elections before a decade.

I'm not predicting anything, this is something I'm observing.. The left is rising slowly just as much as fascism is. Both sides of the political spectrum are starting to radicalize in western countries due to the rigorism of liberalism and its rejection.

The fascists are far stronger, but if we manage to beat them, (which like you said, could be very long and very hard), the left will become the obvious solution to stand back up.

"Tides of time" is a religion.

This was a figure of style to make a beautiful sentence.

The point is : Do not underestimate the possibility of change. History and social awareness does not always lead to a repetition of events, change can comes and break everything.

 

[Reborn]

Do not underestimate the tides of time and people.

Fascism is not rising for no reasons. It's a direct result of decades of unchecked liberal capitalistic policies all over the world. Decades of unchecked destruction, reactionnary politicies and frankly a complete lack of understanding of the social reality of the world.

History and Internet shuffled the cards. The level of education available and the quality of said education is only raising years after years. Fascism is indeed rising the same way that it did before the second world war, but we are much more prepared than before. We have tools to fight it, to debunk it, to pressure it.

The rise of fascism is also the rise of leftism. And in the internet Era, this means leftism can spread much faster as education becomes more efficient. This means that there is a chance for a new wave of REAL leftism to hit just after this fascistic wave. At the condition that we prevent fascism to win and we push back liberalism enough.

A global radical leftist transformation is not impossible in the near future. It won't be enough to take down capitalism, but it would create enough momentum to do it later.

In the internet era, rapid communication and spread of education do not inherently favor leftist movements over fascist ones.

In fact, the global trends reveal that authoritarian and right groups have demonstrated an exceptional ability to exploit online platforms, misinformation, narrative diffusion and media to connect with the masses and mobilize support far more efficiently than the left.

Thus, the assumption that education and digital interconnectedness will naturally accelerate "real leftism" overlooks how these same tools are weaponized by the right in much better ways.

The vision of a “global radical leftist transformation” as an inevitable next wave underestimates the resilience of capitalism, which has repeatedly adapted to crises.

Infact, capitalism has emerged as a self sustaining and evolving system which over time became part of life of every citizen across the world.

There is nothing to bring this system down because the World itself will prevent it's collapse unless we witness a global catastrophe

 

[CoC: Color of Clowns]

I think an underrated point of the current political landscape, is they're really trying to go back to the old Abrahamic Religions' biggest cash-cow/love:

Human Slavery and Sex Trafficking
​

We focus on the sexual aspect a lot, but, really, what does MAGA/Dubai/Israel really want?

Slaves
​

Have you seen Trump talk about groceries? Loser is too stupid to know what groceries are, AND PEOPLE THOUGHT HE'D FIX THE ECONOMY. He's so dumb HE NEEDS TO PAY OTHER PEOPLE TO SHOP FOR HIM.

I think that's the real reason I've always despised the Abrahamic Religions as social constructs pretending to love life and morals: all the child sex slaves.

Wonder why the Republicans live forcing women to give birth to rape babies?

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH THAT'S WHAT THEIR ANCESTORS DID TO BLACK KIDS

"MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN, LIKE WHEN YOU COULD BUY BLACK KIDS, AND **** EM LEGALLY. REMEMBER WHEN THE AGE OF CONSENT IN DELAWARE WAS 7? GOOD OLE TIMES, BACK WHEN THE COUNTRY WAS MORE CHRISTIAN"

Why don't you try acting like Jesus, rather that acting Christian, considering his religion got hijacked by the Romans who killed him by torturing him to death, and has been run by scum cults ever since? Weird how all these guys seem to love the Romans who murdered Christ, while doing the opposite of what Jesus said, that's interesting. HUR DUR, ROMAN SALUTE.

Nah these people want child sex slaves, that's why they support the Political/Economic marriage with their religions run by child rapists (not my opinion, Dubai, Israel, and Vatican are openly proud of their sex trafficking). That's why these Streamers/Influencers that can't score women like these groups that are trying to normalize old men using minors like meat.

These people CANNOT get laid on their own, and they certainly can't cook by themselves.

Hillary had to fake OPENING A JAR OF PICKLES on television, LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL.

America was founded by Rich British Fake Christians, who hate Christ/life, following the Old Testament Christ told them not to follow (once again, I love Jesus, but hate the Abrahamic Religions, because they sure as hell weren't made by Christ), and turning little black kids into sex slaves, and selling them in public, while genociding the shit out of the natives.

When they say: "Make America Great Again" what they really mean is: "We're jealous of the rich fat orange trash that gets to use government officials and little girls like his slaves"

You think these old ass boomers, who HATE sharing even more than they hate caring, are going to rebuild the economy?

No, lol, they want to kidnap Mexicans and force them to do it. That's why ICE exists: to make intelligent Mexicans into slaves to do the work foolish overweight white people are incapable of doing themselves.

I don't know if Trump can build Legos. You guys see them spraypainting the wrong side of the border wall black?

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL these Abrahamic Terrorists deserve less than no respect. Shout out to Bibi for ignoring every warning about 10/7, and letting the terrorist group he funded to destroy Palestine, Hamas, into his country.

What a Nazi.

I pray for the poor Mexicans affected by the drug, weapon, and sex trafficking the US's government has pushed into Mexico via arming Cartels, trafficking for Cartels, and raking in bank off of Cartels selling drugs for them.

The US has done a lot to destroy Mexican lives with its government's illegal, evil, and illicit drug trade.

Those drug mules from the Cartels? What are they, other than slaves to the US government? You know, the US: the guys who invaded Afghanistan for Opium/Heroin, then left the girls behind to get raped by the Taliban, and left all our military equipment to them, once we learned how to make synthetic heroin, and didn't need their poppy fields anymore.

Like, no shit people should hate the Abrahamic Religions: each one of them supports slavery directly and then pretends it doesn't, because all the people with power in those religions are liars. They don't love God, they love power.

White people (not Caucasians, but White people, people who are proud of their skin color for absolutely no reason) miss the days of being able to bully entire groups of people because of their skin.

They worship Satanic bullshit, and Power. They don't need money, THE RICH ARE THE ONES WHO PRINT IT.

They need slaves, because no real women want them, so they have to turn kids into their pets instead. They can't do work themselves, so they have to force us to do it.

No one wants to actually work with them, so they have to be able to use the rigged courts, cops, and media to force their lies through and bully everyone who stands up against them

The way the Republican and Democratic Uni-Bomber-Party have been bullying Clinton and Trump's child rape victims for years.

Wake up. It was never just about fucking kids.

It was about putting the poor, fringe, and "colored" folks back in their place in society

Trump/DC, Bibi/Israel, Putin/Russia, British Royalty/London will never grow enough guts to fight their own battles

That is the point of all of this:
Destroying the global economy?
Demonizing anyone who doesn't bend the knee to the empire of Israel?
Painting "non-white-worshipping" minorities as evil?
Destroying Human Rights on an international level?

It's because they want:
Slaves to cook their food
Slaves to fight their wars
Slaves to censor the truth (the media)
Slaves to live and die for them

And slaves for Trump's 3-inches that have drowned the lives of god knows how many Women and Children and buried them in the Swamp

Who do you serve? The people? Or the creepholes? ​

 

[Logiko]

In the internet era, rapid communication and spread of education do not inherently favor leftist movements over fascist ones.

In fact, the global trends reveal that authoritarian and right groups have demonstrated an exceptional ability to exploit online platforms, misinformation, narrative diffusion and media to connect with the masses and mobilize support far more efficiently than the left.

Thus, the assumption that education and digital interconnectedness will naturally accelerate "real leftism" overlooks how these same tools are weaponized by the right in much better ways.

The vision of a “global radical leftist transformation” as an inevitable next wave underestimates the resilience of capitalism, which has repeatedly adapted to crises.

Infact, capitalism has emerged as a self sustaining and evolving system which over time became part of life of every citizen across the world.

There is nothing to bring this system down because the World itself will prevent it's collapse unless we witness a global catastrophe

Maybe I wasn't clear with my point:

I'm not saying that leftism is inevitable or that the rise of the internet is favoring leftism over reactionnarism. I'm telling you that the rise of leftism is something that is happening NOW. It's an observation, not a prediction. You are completely right, the internet DO favor fascistic rethorics. I know that very well since I've been screaming about this danger in the wind for 3 years on this very forum.

What I'm telling you, is not that leftism is inevitable, but that Leftism is the best answer to reactionnarism. Since both are rising and the world is about to feel (or is already feeling) the wrath of fascism, Leftism will have an opportunity to transform the world in every place where we manage to take down Fascism or counter it effectively without letting any place to liberals

I think you are looking at history too much like a freezed system. It's really not. To understand what I'm saying and how this system can be taken down., we need to talk about historical materialism.

But this is sadly something that needs a lot of explaining, demonstrations and once again, I won't make another big bulk of text in the wind. If you are curious and willing to listen, ask me.

 

[Midnight Delight]

@Logiko Whig interpretation of history has created Far more problems than it solved

 

[Reborn]

Maybe I wasn't clear with my point:

I'm not saying that leftism is inevitable or that the rise of the internet is favoring leftism over reactionnarism. I'm telling you that the rise of leftism is something that is happening NOW. It's an observation, not a prediction. You are completely right, the internet DO favor fascistic rethorics. I know that very well since I've been screaming about this danger in the wind for 3 years on this very forum.

What I'm telling you, is not that leftism is inevitable, but that Leftism is the best answer to reactionnarism. Since both are rising and the world is about to feel (or is already feeling) the wrath of fascism, Leftism will have an opportunity to transform the world in every place where we manage to take down Fascism or counter it effectively without letting any place to liberals

I think you are looking at history too much like a freezed system. It's really not. To understand what I'm saying and how this system can be taken down., we need to talk about historical materialism.

But this is sadly something that needs a lot of explaining, demonstrations and once again, I won't make another big bulk of text in the wind. If you are curious and willing to listen, ask me.

Nah not needed.

Having an opportunity and being able to grab the opportunity are two different things.


Additionally, I didn't say system is freezed but that the system has checks and balances in place, it's self sustaining and evolving which are wired to prevent it's collapse

 

[Logiko]

@Logiko Whig interpretation of history has created Far more problems than it solved

Indeed. Hence why we need to talk about historical materialism instead. History is not freezed or linear, it's ever evolving. Which means that being fatalist about capitalism or thinking that progress will happen on its own are really not the best move to resolve social issues.

Having an opportunity and being able to grab the opportunity are two different things.


Additionally, I didn't say system is freezed but that the system has checks and balances in place, it's self sustaining and evolving which are wired to prevent it's collapse

Ok. But what you deny is that those systems are unbreakable in their current state. This is not true. But to understand how we need to break them, we need to understand them fully and therefore we need to talk about historical materialism and intersectionnality through a materialist pov.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Unless the entirerity of the world ends capitalism.
The goal is not just one country.
It's the world.

You and a number of ppl in this thread are apart of cult, almost religion. You call yourselves righteous when you aren't. Just another bunch of crazies.
It all stems from just not liking the other viewpoint, holding a different one. You need to go back to the void and take everyone that is with you along.