Controversial General Political Discussion

[Logiko]

In the internet era, rapid communication and spread of education do not inherently favor leftist movements over fascist ones.

In fact, the global trends reveal that authoritarian and right groups have demonstrated an exceptional ability to exploit online platforms, misinformation, narrative diffusion and media to connect with the masses and mobilize support far more efficiently than the left.

Thus, the assumption that education and digital interconnectedness will naturally accelerate "real leftism" overlooks how these same tools are weaponized by the right in much better ways.

The vision of a “global radical leftist transformation” as an inevitable next wave underestimates the resilience of capitalism, which has repeatedly adapted to crises.

Infact, capitalism has emerged as a self sustaining and evolving system which over time became part of life of every citizen across the world.

There is nothing to bring this system down because the World itself will prevent it's collapse unless we witness a global catastrophe

Maybe I wasn't clear with my point:

I'm not saying that leftism is inevitable or that the rise of the internet is favoring leftism over reactionnarism. I'm telling you that the rise of leftism is something that is happening NOW. It's an observation, not a prediction. You are completely right, the internet DO favor fascistic rethorics. I know that very well since I've been screaming about this danger in the wind for 3 years on this very forum.

What I'm telling you, is not that leftism is inevitable, but that Leftism is the best answer to reactionnarism. Since both are rising and the world is about to feel (or is already feeling) the wrath of fascism, Leftism will have an opportunity to transform the world in every place where we manage to take down Fascism or counter it effectively without letting any place to liberals

I think you are looking at history too much like a freezed system. It's really not. To understand what I'm saying and how this system can be taken down., we need to talk about historical materialism.

But this is sadly something that needs a lot of explaining, demonstrations and once again, I won't make another big bulk of text in the wind. If you are curious and willing to listen, ask me.

 

[Midnight Delight]

@Logiko Whig interpretation of history has created Far more problems than it solved

 

[Reborn]

Maybe I wasn't clear with my point:

I'm not saying that leftism is inevitable or that the rise of the internet is favoring leftism over reactionnarism. I'm telling you that the rise of leftism is something that is happening NOW. It's an observation, not a prediction. You are completely right, the internet DO favor fascistic rethorics. I know that very well since I've been screaming about this danger in the wind for 3 years on this very forum.

What I'm telling you, is not that leftism is inevitable, but that Leftism is the best answer to reactionnarism. Since both are rising and the world is about to feel (or is already feeling) the wrath of fascism, Leftism will have an opportunity to transform the world in every place where we manage to take down Fascism or counter it effectively without letting any place to liberals

I think you are looking at history too much like a freezed system. It's really not. To understand what I'm saying and how this system can be taken down., we need to talk about historical materialism.

But this is sadly something that needs a lot of explaining, demonstrations and once again, I won't make another big bulk of text in the wind. If you are curious and willing to listen, ask me.

Nah not needed.

Having an opportunity and being able to grab the opportunity are two different things.


Additionally, I didn't say system is freezed but that the system has checks and balances in place, it's self sustaining and evolving which are wired to prevent it's collapse

 

[Logiko]

@Logiko Whig interpretation of history has created Far more problems than it solved

Indeed. Hence why we need to talk about historical materialism instead. History is not freezed or linear, it's ever evolving. Which means that being fatalist about capitalism or thinking that progress will happen on its own are really not the best move to resolve social issues.

Having an opportunity and being able to grab the opportunity are two different things.


Additionally, I didn't say system is freezed but that the system has checks and balances in place, it's self sustaining and evolving which are wired to prevent it's collapse

Ok. But what you deny is that those systems are unbreakable in their current state. This is not true. But to understand how we need to break them, we need to understand them fully and therefore we need to talk about historical materialism and intersectionnality through a materialist pov.

 

[Ravagerblade]

Unless the entirerity of the world ends capitalism.
The goal is not just one country.
It's the world.

You and a number of ppl in this thread are apart of cult, almost religion. You call yourselves righteous when you aren't. Just another bunch of crazies.
It all stems from just not liking the other viewpoint, holding a different one. You need to go back to the void and take everyone that is with you along.

 

[Logiko]

You and a number of ppl in this thread are apart of cult, almost religion. You call yourselves righteous when you aren't. Just another bunch of crazies.
It all stems from just not liking the other viewpoint, holding a different one. You need to go back to the void and take everyone that is with you along.

I'm not righteous. I strive to be ethical. This is the entire difference between liberals and me. I don't do morals, I do ethics.

The difference between me and you Ravager - and it is something that I hope you will never have to understand harshly - is that I'm not fighting the opposite side because I don't like them or the way they think.

I'm fighting them because their system threaten my very LIFE. And this awareness allows me to understand what others are living too.

I hope that one day, you will have the curiosity to let me explain to you what I mean by that without ignoring me. At your level of reactionnarism, you do not understand how lucky you are to have people like me, on the radical leftist side still willing to explain things to you calmly. But I'm not giving that for free anymore. From now on, if I make an effort of demonstration, I expect respect and attention in return.

 

[Reborn]

Well, the World is suspending postal shipments to USA. India, Australia, S. Korea, Austria, Singapore, China, Sweden, Ireland, France and list goes on.....

They all suspended postal shipments to USA due to lack of clarity because of tariffs on goods below 800$ globally - which means even a letter or a pair of shoes from abroad is under Tariffs by USA lmao


And, al over the world, people are considering options to not sell goods to USA.....

Taco,Tariffs and Taxes - 3Ts that will bring USA downfall

 

[grey matter]

I don't understand if a lot of the posts here are trolling or schizo posting lmao.

Weird discussing politics in an anime forum, without free speech, where dudes aren't even willing to be in good faith for fictional characters lmao.

@Reborn you are right that "internet" is going right wing. I just disagree that it is because of "misinformation" (lol), no one faction has a monopoly on that.

It is simply what happens when you remove filters and allow a true marketplace of ideas. The old orthodoxy could be maintained only by active censorship across mainstream platforms. There is a reason political sections in forums and reddit are mostly left wing echo chambers, because censorship primarily goes mainly in one direction. Elon buying twitter (just one mainstream platform), and making twitter less censorious, caused an organic shift of the overton window that is inevitable in a free speech ecosystem.

 

[Logiko]

Weird discussing politics in an anime forum, without free speech, where dudes aren't even willing to be in good faith for fictional characters lmao.

Are you willing to be in good faith here ?

 

[Mathias]

I don't understand if a lot of the posts here are trolling or schizo posting lmao.

Weird discussing politics in an anime forum, without free speech, where dudes aren't even willing to be in good faith for fictional characters lmao.

@Reborn you are right that "internet" is going right wing. I just disagree that it is because of "misinformation" (lol), no one faction has a monopoly on that.

It is simply what happens when you remove filters and allow a true marketplace of ideas. The old orthodoxy could be maintained only by active censorship across mainstream platforms. There is a reason political sections in forums and reddit are mostly left wing echo chambers, because censorship primarily goes mainly in one direction. Elon buying twitter (just one mainstream platform), and making twitter less censorious, caused an organic shift of the overton window that is inevitable in a free speech ecosystem.

*Lack of regulation, not censorship.

And this forum is very loose on regulation. It's not full of libs or whatnot. Whenever Trump looks like real ass and rises his fist in the air you'll see all the scoundrels on this cesspool of forum flooding the thread like a bunch of Minions.

It always goes between "hurayyy MAGA" and "it's not THAT bad".

 

[Bisoromi Bear]

It is simply what happens when you remove filters and allow a true marketplace of ideas. The old orthodoxy could be maintained only by active censorship across mainstream platforms. There is a reason political sections in forums and reddit are mostly left wing echo chambers, because censorship primarily goes mainly in one direction. Elon buying twitter (just one mainstream platform), and making twitter less censorious, caused an organic shift of the overton window that is inevitable in a free speech ecosystem.

You forgot to mention the algorithms that push extreme content overproportionally and that platforms are run by multinational corporations instead of small community driven platforms

 

[Logiko]

If Worstgen was really Worstgen, it would become an anarchist stronghold, there would be a division of the space in three parts : The political part, the fanbase part, and Trivia

The fanbase part would be used to talk about One Piece, theorize, all the fan stuff.. while the political part would be used to deconstruct One Piece and other political subjects while using the stories read on the forum to fuel the conversation and make political and popular education content.

I imagine the admin team as a strongly politicized and hardcore radical bunch of leftists, Communists, anarchists, Marxists and antifa (all fans of course) working together with no hierarchy (just like now, but better)

We could even push the forum to a point where it becomes a beacon of politicization in the fanbase, attracting more leftists, radicals and progressive fans while allowing anyone who want to stay to respect a certain sets of basic but important rules.

Damn... this would be good and the forum so much more positive without even being really punishing. But Worstgen has no ambition. There is nothing worthy of the worst generation here



(I think I heard Ravager pass out after my post)

 

[Blax Blah]

@Logiko either way I think the best thing right now economically speaking is making very strong unions, the workers will have power that way, and then they can decide themselves what they want

 

[Logiko]

@Logiko either way I think the best thing right now economically speaking is making very strong unions, the workers will have power that way, and then they can decide themselves what they want

That would be a good step indeed

 

[Okamakama]

Doesn't this place feel so much more alive with Logiko here?

 

[Blax Blah]

Doesn't this place feel so much more alive with Logiko here?

Wogiko
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Indeed. Hence why we need to talk about historical materialism instead. History is not freezed or linear, it's ever evolving. Which means that being fatalist about capitalism or thinking that progress will happen on its own are really not the best move to resolve social issues.


Ok. But what you deny is that those systems are unbreakable in their current state. This is not true. But to understand how we need to break them, we need to understand them fully and therefore we need to talk about historical materialism and intersectionnality through a materialist pov.

That would be a good step indeed

About historical materialism, if you mean that like the marxist term, I think this would be interesting:

 

[Mathias]

If Worstgen was really Worstgen, it would become an anarchist stronghold, there would be a division of the space in three parts : The political part, the fanbase part, and Trivia

The worstgen in the manga aren't only consisting of good gringos.

 

[Okamakama]

The worstgen in the manga aren't only consisting of good gringos.

I mean, I don't even think he insinuated "good" in this instance, just anarchistic. Now, I suppose we could infer Logiko believes anarchy is ultimately good, but that would just be an assumption. Granted... he did say the result would be good...

 

[Blax Blah]

I mean, I don't even think he insinuated "good" in this instance, just anarchistic. Now, I suppose we could infer Logiko believes anarchy is ultimately good, but that would just be an assumption. Granted... he did say the result would be good...

Anarchy like anarchism, which is stateless socialism, not like chaos

 

[Okamakama]

Anarchy like anarchism, which is stateless socialism, not like chaos

The thing is, the Worst Generation don't seem to embody a stateless socialism. Instead, they are anarchistic. I feel if the former is what Logiko was insinuating at, then it's a moot comparison. Ultimately the Worst Generation are mostly scumbags. Sure, they have those they love and cherish, and we can root for them in that aspect, but Capone was out to assassinate BM, Law is pretty manipulative, Kid terrorises civilian populations, Apoo is a cut-throat turncoat, Hawkins, whilst possessing some honour, lets his crewmates die for him, etc.

I wouldn't want to be equated to them, lol.