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Hit them where they're vulnerable: money. Their power comes from money letting them force others to do what they want, just so those people can survive. It's completely legal, to not give these jackoffs money.
The North Atlantic Slave Trade was ended by the British Commonwealth spitting in the face of the nobility and boycotting goods. 400,000 braves souls boycotted, and made history.
They don't care about kids. The rich people propping up the government, need money, so they can boss others around live slaves. No money? No debt slavery.
Rip these freaks bank accounts apart legally.
Here is what you said:
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> To arrive to a communist society, we need to get rid of capitalism to arrive to a classless and stateless society.
So...
If you are ok with communism and anti-capitalist but cool with meritocracy.... you are living with a MAJOR contradiction that influences all your choices in life and your entire vision of the world.
And to that I answer:
Think beyond.
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> To arrive to a communist society, we need to get rid of capitalism to arrive to a classless and stateless society.
> To arrive to this type of society, we must push for the collective ownership of the means of production.
> To manage that we must destroy at the very least three major idea that keeps the entire working class and pretty much the entire world from wanting to destroy capitalism in the first place:
- The idea that a stateless and classless society where the means of productions are shared... is bad.
- The idea that capitalism is working
- The idea of that productive people are more valuable than unproductive one and that rich people deserve their wealth and worked for it.
This last point means basically that we CAN'T get rid completely of capitalism if we do not understand that Meritocracy is a major problem, a complete myth created to justify the horrors of capitalism and a set of beliefs that enter in the equations of multiple systems of domination. (For ex, I've been called lazy here because of my handicap and my situation. Which was a clear symptom of what meritocracy can create in symbiosis with the system of domination that is ableism)So...
If you are ok with communism and anti-capitalist but cool with meritocracy.... you are living with a MAJOR contradiction that influences all your choices in life and your entire vision of the world.
And to that I answer:
Think beyond.
Here is what you said:
>>>
Now...
> To arrive to a communist society, we need to get rid of capitalism to arrive to a classless and stateless society.
So...
If you are ok with communism and anti-capitalist but cool with meritocracy.... you are living with a MAJOR contradiction that influences all your choices in life and your entire vision of the world.
And to that I answer:
Think beyond.
>>>
Now...
> To arrive to a communist society, we need to get rid of capitalism to arrive to a classless and stateless society.
> To arrive to this type of society, we must push for the collective ownership of the means of production.
> To manage that we must destroy at the very least three major idea that keeps the entire working class and pretty much the entire world from wanting to destroy capitalism in the first place:
- The idea that a stateless and classless society where the means of productions are shared... is bad.
- The idea that capitalism is working
- The idea of that productive people are more valuable than unproductive one and that rich people deserve their wealth and worked for it.
This last point means basically that we CAN'T get rid completely of capitalism if we do not understand that Meritocracy is a major problem, a complete myth created to justify the horrors of capitalism and a set of beliefs that enter in the equations of multiple systems of domination. (For ex, I've been called lazy here because of my handicap and my situation. Which was a clear symptom of what meritocracy can create in symbiosis with the system of domination that is ableism)So...
If you are ok with communism and anti-capitalist but cool with meritocracy.... you are living with a MAJOR contradiction that influences all your choices in life and your entire vision of the world.
And to that I answer:
Think beyond.
which is funny because I didn't even remember what meritocracy is I had to look it up before I formed an opinion on it
I was this..
.. close to think that there was going to be an actual self-questionning here.
But no... My hope was crushed once again. as even you (a simple confused centrist) are completely glued to your belief system and vision of the world going so far as explaining to me a concept I've studied and been working around for years after reading a definition in a dictionnary 10 minutes ago
This is what I mean by targetting people's biases. And here, Monster proves just how difficult it is to even become aware of them..
What a shame
.. close to think that there was going to be an actual self-questionning here.
But no... My hope was crushed once again. as even you (a simple confused centrist) are completely glued to your belief system and vision of the world going so far as explaining to me a concept I've studied and been working around for years after reading a definition in a dictionnary 10 minutes ago
This is what I mean by targetting people's biases. And here, Monster proves just how difficult it is to even become aware of them..
What a shame
I was this..
.. close to think that there was going to be an actual self-questionning here.
But no... My hope was crushed once again. as even you (a simple confused centrist) are completely glued to your belief system and vision of the world going so far as explaining to me a concept I've studied and been working around for years after reading a definition in a dictionnary 10 minutes ago
This is what I mean by targetting people's biases. And here, Monster proves just how difficult it is to even become aware of them..
What a shame
.. close to think that there was going to be an actual self-questionning here.
But no... My hope was crushed once again. as even you (a simple confused centrist) are completely glued to your belief system and vision of the world going so far as explaining to me a concept I've studied and been working around for years after reading a definition in a dictionnary 10 minutes ago
This is what I mean by targetting people's biases. And here, Monster proves just how difficult it is to even become aware of them..
What a shame
I was this..
.. close to think that there was going to be an actual self-questionning here.
But no... My hope was crushed once again. as even you (a simple confused centrist) are completely glued to your belief system and vision of the world going so far as explaining to me a concept I've studied and been working around for years after reading a definition in a dictionnary 10 minutes ago
This is what I mean by targetting people's biases. And here, Monster proves just how difficult it is to even become aware of them..
What a shame
.. close to think that there was going to be an actual self-questionning here.
But no... My hope was crushed once again. as even you (a simple confused centrist) are completely glued to your belief system and vision of the world going so far as explaining to me a concept I've studied and been working around for years after reading a definition in a dictionnary 10 minutes ago
This is what I mean by targetting people's biases. And here, Monster proves just how difficult it is to even become aware of them..
What a shame
I love how people think here that I'm rigidly stuck in a belief simply because I do not want to stop questionning their rethoric.. It's very interesting socially speaking. But being open to change does not necessarily mean starting to agree with everyone or even aknowledging the legitimacy of their words.
My conviction is just an illusion that makes you think that I'm a rock in my belief system, when in reality, I've changed my vision and values a LOT since I came here.
Yup, it's not about winning, it't about politicizing. Something that is not a competition, but a necessity under the rise of fascism.
I do let people shape my beliefs.
ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
> In fact, no late that yersterday, I listened to a 16yo activist. This allowed me to understand and prevent myself from developing a major bias toward the fights of younger politicized people.
> Just a mear week ago - as I explained earlier - I listened to an activist explaining how anti-asian racism and specifically the cases of North Korea and China were overused under the colonial ombrellas of antifascism for no reasonnable reasons other than making shamefull comparison to "shamefull" countries when they are really not worse that what is happening at the moment in the western world.
> A few week before that, I learned about the horrors of racism linked with gentrification and completely changed my vision of the way I apprehend noise in the public space.
I have hundreds of exemple like that in this year alone. Btw... did you noticed that I'm using swear words now ? I did that after multiple people convinced me of the futility of keeping my vocabulary safe in front of people who want me dead. If I said "I will never let anyone mold my thought and beliefs" when I was a conspiracy theorist and borderline reactionnary.. I would have NEVER become a leftist.
My reactance in front of your guyz's rethorics and the biases that you guys have created in response are completely preventing you from looking at the actual nature of the person that is talking to you right now. A person that is literally defined by change and the idea that listening to people and allowing them to change who you are is one of the best quality one can have.
And if you don't understand what I'm saying here. I suggest you look at my messages that were adressed to this thread before and after Blax entered the discussion.
"Think beyond" does not only means thinks "something else" or think beyond "what you believe about the world while being careful of your biases".
It literally means.. "think beyond" the image that I project.
My biggest rightist belief is this:
I can abandon the idea that we must keep talking to rightist and reactionnaries to convince them in - and only in - closed spaces like this one or in a family gatherin for ex.
Many radical leftists would laugh or ridiculize me for doing what I'm doing here. But I just can't give up on this idea. I was like them, so if I changed, this means that everyone has that same potential.
My conviction is just an illusion that makes you think that I'm a rock in my belief system, when in reality, I've changed my vision and values a LOT since I came here.
Yup, it's not about winning, it't about politicizing. Something that is not a competition, but a necessity under the rise of fascism.
I do let people shape my beliefs.
ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
> In fact, no late that yersterday, I listened to a 16yo activist. This allowed me to understand and prevent myself from developing a major bias toward the fights of younger politicized people.
> Just a mear week ago - as I explained earlier - I listened to an activist explaining how anti-asian racism and specifically the cases of North Korea and China were overused under the colonial ombrellas of antifascism for no reasonnable reasons other than making shamefull comparison to "shamefull" countries when they are really not worse that what is happening at the moment in the western world.
> A few week before that, I learned about the horrors of racism linked with gentrification and completely changed my vision of the way I apprehend noise in the public space.
I have hundreds of exemple like that in this year alone. Btw... did you noticed that I'm using swear words now ? I did that after multiple people convinced me of the futility of keeping my vocabulary safe in front of people who want me dead. If I said "I will never let anyone mold my thought and beliefs" when I was a conspiracy theorist and borderline reactionnary.. I would have NEVER become a leftist.
My reactance in front of your guyz's rethorics and the biases that you guys have created in response are completely preventing you from looking at the actual nature of the person that is talking to you right now. A person that is literally defined by change and the idea that listening to people and allowing them to change who you are is one of the best quality one can have.
And if you don't understand what I'm saying here. I suggest you look at my messages that were adressed to this thread before and after Blax entered the discussion.
"Think beyond" does not only means thinks "something else" or think beyond "what you believe about the world while being careful of your biases".
It literally means.. "think beyond" the image that I project.
My biggest rightist belief is this:
I can abandon the idea that we must keep talking to rightist and reactionnaries to convince them in - and only in - closed spaces like this one or in a family gatherin for ex.
Many radical leftists would laugh or ridiculize me for doing what I'm doing here. But I just can't give up on this idea. I was like them, so if I changed, this means that everyone has that same potential.
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Even though I think stricter regulations are necessary, I actually do support responsible gun ownership and believe the Second Amendment should be protected…the idea of having a firearm doesn’t fully appeal to me, but I understand why (most) people want them and they should have the right to defend themselves - again, responsibly 
I actually do support responsible gun ownership and believe the Second Amendment should be protected…the idea of having a firearm doesn’t fully appeal to me, but I understand why (most) people want them and they should have the right to defend themselves - again, responsibly
I was against private gun ownership (and still is) BUT looking at the rise of fascism... my mind is starting to wonder.. maybe not an actual private personnal ownership, but a collectivisation... I don't know