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① Parallels, Inherited Will, Destiny
Rocks & Harald ⇨ (baton pass) ⇨ Luffy & Loki
- Like Rocks did Harald, Luffy will need Loki to challenge the status quo.
- Unlike Rocks who Loki perceived to be Nika, Luffy is Nika
- Unlike Harald who Rocks wanted to consume the legendary df and didn’t, Loki has.
- Unlike Rocks who chose King over Friend, Loki will choose Friend over King in accordance to his mother’s wish and fortunately enough unlike Harald, Loki has his half brother Hadrujin to share the burden of protecting Elbaf with.
② Interaction with SHs
- Portrayal
Ever since their first interaction Luffy’s portrayal in relation to Loki has been Luffy > Loki with Shanks being the standard Oda’s set for Luffy this arc and this portrayal matches Elbaf & the giants’ perception of Nika.
Then there’s that one panel of Zoro kicking Loki’s wound which also really sticks out to me with regard to Loki’s portayal in relation to the M3. Yes Loki was chained & weakened but I don’t think Oda’s drawing that if Loki is several tiers above Zoro not to mention that scene really does give off a sense of vulnerability which Kaido did not show in relation to either of Luffy or Zoro last arc for example.
There’s also the fact that he’s the same age as Zoro & Sanji and also in the same development stage that Zoro is with regards to CoC. Characters that are already at the pinnacle of the verse or close to it are not in their development stage.
- Luffy’s curiosity
It’s been a while since we’ve seen a character draw Luffy’s curiosity the way Loki has since his introduction. What’s even more interesting is that this is unlike Brook or Chopper who are simply interesting looking. There’s something more fundamental or rather something beneath the surface about Loki that is drawing Luffy to him. Somewhat in the same vein as some of the other SHs like Zoro & Sanji so much so that Luffy’s invited Loki to join the crew.
- Luffy’s invitation
I don’t know why folks are flat out ignoring the fact that Luffy’s already invited Loki to join the crew. What was even more interesting was Zoro & Sanji’s comical reactions to it. Issue they mainly had with it was his size which is pretty interesting no? These two are the ones that are always keeping Luffy in check yet even with all of the rumors surrounding Loki as well as his rumored strength, their rejection of it was coz of something nonsensical like size lol. Which means as long as the size issue is addressed they are cuul with him joining.
- Loki’s backstory & the fact that both Zoro & Sanji were present to listen to it I think is also very significant.
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In addition I think it’s noteworthy that Oda’s established a potential connection with Loki & Shirahoshi via Mosa. Loki is a tsundere for the most part so even if he wants to join Luffy’s crew he’s not gonna wanna directly accept the invitation so I can see him boarding the ship under the pretext of saving Shirahoshi who could potentially be in danger given Caribou is now with Teach.
① Parallels, Inherited Will, Destiny
Rocks & Harald ⇨ (baton pass) ⇨ Luffy & Loki
- Like Rocks did Harald, Luffy will need Loki to challenge the status quo.
- Unlike Rocks who Loki perceived to be Nika, Luffy is Nika
- Unlike Harald who Rocks wanted to consume the legendary df and didn’t, Loki has.
- Unlike Rocks who chose King over Friend, Loki will choose Friend over King in accordance to his mother’s wish and fortunately enough unlike Harald, Loki has his half brother Hadrujin to share the burden of protecting Elbaf with.
② Interaction with SHs
- Portrayal
Ever since their first interaction Luffy’s portrayal in relation to Loki has been Luffy > Loki with Shanks being the standard Oda’s set for Luffy this arc and this portrayal matches Elbaf & the giants’ perception of Nika.
Then there’s that one panel of Zoro kicking Loki’s wound which also really sticks out to me with regard to Loki’s portayal in relation to the M3. Yes Loki was chained & weakened but I don’t think Oda’s drawing that if Loki is several tiers above Zoro not to mention that scene really does give off a sense of vulnerability which Kaido did not show in relation to either of Luffy or Zoro last arc for example.
There’s also the fact that he’s the same age as Zoro & Sanji and also in the same development stage that Zoro is with regards to CoC. Characters that are already at the pinnacle of the verse or close to it are not in their development stage.
- Luffy’s curiosity
It’s been a while since we’ve seen a character draw Luffy’s curiosity the way Loki has since his introduction. What’s even more interesting is that this is unlike Brook or Chopper who are simply interesting looking. There’s something more fundamental or rather something beneath the surface about Loki that is drawing Luffy to him. Somewhat in the same vein as some of the other SHs like Zoro & Sanji so much so that Luffy’s invited Loki to join the crew.
- Luffy’s invitation
I don’t know why folks are flat out ignoring the fact that Luffy’s already invited Loki to join the crew. What was even more interesting was Zoro & Sanji’s comical reactions to it. Issue they mainly had with it was his size which is pretty interesting no? These two are the ones that are always keeping Luffy in check yet even with all of the rumors surrounding Loki as well as his rumored strength, their rejection of it was coz of something nonsensical like size lol. Which means as long as the size issue is addressed they are cuul with him joining.
- Loki’s backstory & the fact that both Zoro & Sanji were present to listen to it I think is also very significant.
*Edit:
In addition I think it’s noteworthy that Oda’s established a potential connection with Loki & Shirahoshi via Mosa. Loki is a tsundere for the most part so even if he wants to join Luffy’s crew he’s not gonna wanna directly accept the invitation so I can see him boarding the ship under the pretext of saving Shirahoshi who could potentially be in danger given Caribou is now with Teach.
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Zoro not only lacks control, he didn't even know he had it in the first place.
King can absorb aCoC attacks with Lunarian defense, but he got one-shot without it.
Not only do I think Sanji will, I think both he and Zoro will use advanced Armament techniques going forward without any training or comment,
King can absorb aCoC attacks with Lunarian defense, but he got one-shot without it.
Not only do I think Sanji will, I think both he and Zoro will use advanced Armament techniques going forward without any training or comment,
Zoro not knowing he has it, doesn’t mean anything here, since he in fact did use it.
Control or not, he was constantly using it during his fight with King.
King actually did take 2 or 3 AdvCoC hits with flames off actually. And it’s not like Zoro’s opponents lose after 1 hit most of the time anyways.
Control or not, he was constantly using it during his fight with King.
King actually did take 2 or 3 AdvCoC hits with flames off actually. And it’s not like Zoro’s opponents lose after 1 hit most of the time anyways.
Already had this discussion already with kekaro in this thread yesterday.
There have been cases when the rankings have been ambigious, was the case with Robin when she boarded the ship as well as Jinbe when he joined at the start of Onigashima.
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are all relative so if Loki is weaker than Luffy, then he's not too strong to join the crew as Zoro and Sanji are not that far behind Luffy.
Moreover, even if Loki were stronger than Zoro and Sanji, I don't think him joining matters all that much as long as they regain their places as Luffy's top 2 in the next few arcs. Aokiji in the Blackbeard Pirates is proof of this. Zoro's opponent is clearly Shiryu yet, Aokiji is stronger than him atm.
We can disagree on this though.
There have been cases when the rankings have been ambigious, was the case with Robin when she boarded the ship as well as Jinbe when he joined at the start of Onigashima.
Luffy, Zoro and Sanji are all relative so if Loki is weaker than Luffy, then he's not too strong to join the crew as Zoro and Sanji are not that far behind Luffy.
Moreover, even if Loki were stronger than Zoro and Sanji, I don't think him joining matters all that much as long as they regain their places as Luffy's top 2 in the next few arcs. Aokiji in the Blackbeard Pirates is proof of this. Zoro's opponent is clearly Shiryu yet, Aokiji is stronger than him atm.
We can disagree on this though.
I don't think there was any ambiguity about Sanji's superiority over Robin, not in-universe anyway. It's only the fanbase that had doubts, just like it was the case with Franky, before EL events cleared everything up (which was before he joined, but you get the point).
As for Jinbe, imo Sanji surpassed him when he got the RS at the end of WCI. And by the time Onigashima started, he had already reached YC3 level in base. The SHs constantly grow stronger through the battles they fight, not only when they get a big PU in a conclusive 1v1.
Even if one disagrees with that, bottom line is the OG M3 was never clearly and indisputably "broken". But if Loki joins, there's no doubt it will be, given how insanely powerful he is. And I very much doubt Sanji will ever surpass him.
As for Jinbe, imo Sanji surpassed him when he got the RS at the end of WCI. And by the time Onigashima started, he had already reached YC3 level in base. The SHs constantly grow stronger through the battles they fight, not only when they get a big PU in a conclusive 1v1.
Even if one disagrees with that, bottom line is the OG M3 was never clearly and indisputably "broken". But if Loki joins, there's no doubt it will be, given how insanely powerful he is. And I very much doubt Sanji will ever surpass him.
