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Which devil fruit is more impressive?


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Obviously it's about Luffy, but as I said, Loki is perhaps the most important piece after the Luffy (Nika), Blackbeard (Davy Jones) and Imu pieces. Imu shitting his pants at his most valuable Knight being obliterated was just the first taste test. We already have the narrative of Elbaf being the decisive factor when it comes to conquering the world and Loki being the apex specimen of that nation, unique and overpowered even for ancient giant standards (Sauron's eyes, Kaido's fruit on steroids, Ragnir, forget even about CoC which is a side piece). The fact the new chapter is now titled the world's strongest, the fact infant Loki replicated Kaido's introduction feat.

Kaido was literally a villain that fell before the final saga.

Here are some counterarguments that you mostly just skip over:
1) Demon Xebec is stronger than mere HK Harald.
Arguable. You might as well say that DR Xebec and HK Harald mirrored each other. Started out as equals and ended as equals through different paths; Xebec being forcefully turned into a demon, while Harald willingly became a soldier.
2) Like you mentioned, Roger and Garp were not in their peak.
Yes, but not far off imo.
Gaban and Shanks slowed down Harald's regen. This is not an opinion. It's Gaban's own words. They just needed 1 final shot.
Gaban said hitting a HK with ACoC slows down their regeneration. That was a general statement. It wasn't a "we did the groundwork so Loki can finish it". Harald by the time Loki arrived, regenerated all of his damage, even continued regenerating after Loki beat Harald up and sliced him to pieces with his claws -> regeneration clearly continued working. Though Loki managed to beat Imu's influence out of Harald that easily, which allowed Harald to communicate with Loki and ask him for the finishing blow in the first place.
Harald let Loki beat him. He literally told him "Hurry up, before I recover".
No, he told Loki to hurry before he loses his senses again.



But the point was: When Harald was controlled and capable of regeneration, Loki beat the shit out of him with ease, to a point Harald regained senses (still capable of regeneration, as he recovered from the wounds Loki gave him in his Zoan form).
Loki doesn't even know what CoC is. Gaban made it clear. You must understand the power to be able to harness it properly. All his hype so far is 90% just DFs.
Well, that actually speaks for Loki. Loki not being aware of/understanding his own power at that point (while still being astonishingly strong) can just be used as an excuse and now that Loki is released and specifically said that he now understands what Gaban was talking about, that's a different game now.
10 years of pirating and he still has a Warlord level bounty (not saying he's Warlord level, just his bounty).
iirc, "special bounty".
 
Let be honest, from what I saw of Roger and Xebec, nope it doesn´t even come close to that what Loki pose.

Strong Haki
Strong Physical power(surpassed his dad one).
Insane strong weapon(Ragnir)
Insane strong legend devilfruit power
Is massive big as a island
His Hybrid form destroyed HK Harald easily
Can most likely use Elemental skills(Ice/Lightning and more)
Most likely can use also soul manipulation
Special eyes (?)

Vs

(just example Xebec/Roger):
Haki.....

Oda can´t made me believe, pure haki fighter like Xebec or Roger, beating guys with so insane powers, just with haki.
And from what we saw with haki, is unbelivable to think it because haki doesn´t have spexial super hax skills like rejiatsu or nen or chakra...

Loki being stronger then guys like Roger/Xebec make sense.
Loki lost to Shanks whos entirely haki based and doesn't have the portrayal/standing of Roger
 
Let be honest, from what I saw of Roger and Xebec, nope it doesn´t even come close to that what Loki pose.

Strong Haki
Strong Physical power(surpassed his dad one).
Insane strong weapon(Ragnir)
Insane strong legend devilfruit power
Is massive big as a island
His Hybrid form destroyed HK Harald easily
Can most likely use Elemental skills(Ice/Lightning and more)
Most likely can use also soul manipulation
Special eyes (?)

Vs

(just example Xebec/Roger):
Haki.....

Oda can´t made me believe, pure haki fighter like Xebec or Roger, beating guys with so insane powers, just with haki.
And from what we saw with haki, is unbelivable to think it because haki doesn´t have spexial super hax skills like rejiatsu or nen or chakra...

Loki being stronger then guys like Roger/Xebec make sense.
Let's honest, no other character can deal with Loki except PK+ lvl tier characters.
 
Exactly.

Let's assume Imu is this arc's villain. We are talking about someone who no-sold Xebec, Garp, Roger, WB, BM and Kaido (rookie). Idk why people think it's not enough.
People don´t want to accept that without Loki, the strawhats would lose to Imunko,Killingham and Sommers. Even base Gunko can neg half the crew, and the rest of the crew can´t beat Imunko with the help of the Gods Knights. None of them are canonically even able to harm Imunko(probably Luffy, but that´s not what was implied in the FB)
 
Obviously it's about Luffy, but as I said, Loki is perhaps the most important piece after the Luffy (Nika), Blackbeard (Davy Jones) and Imu pieces. Imu shitting his pants at his most valuable Knight being obliterated was just the first taste test. We already have the narrative of Elbaf being the decisive factor when it comes to conquering the world and Loki being the apex specimen of that nation, unique and overpowered even for ancient giant standards (Sauron's eyes, Kaido's fruit on steroids, Ragnir, forget even about CoC which is a side piece). The fact the new chapter is now titled the world's strongest, the fact infant Loki replicated Kaido's introduction feat.

Kaido was literally a villain that fell before the final saga.



Arguable. You might as well say that DR Xebec and HK Harald mirrored each other. Started out as equals and ended as equals through different paths; Xebec being forcefully turned into a demon, while Harald willingly became a soldier.

Yes, but not far off imo.

Gaban said hitting a HK with ACoC slows down their regeneration. That was a general statement. It wasn't a "we did the groundwork so Loki can finish it". Harald by the time Loki arrived, regenerated all of his damage, even continued regenerating after Loki beat Harald up and sliced him to pieces with his claws -> regeneration clearly continued working. Though Loki managed to beat Imu's influence out of Harald that easily, which allowed Harald to communicate with Loki and ask him for the finishing blow in the first place.

No, he told Loki to hurry before he loses his senses again.



But the point was: When Harald was controlled and capable of regeneration, Loki beat the shit out of him with ease, to a point Harald regained senses (still capable of regeneration, as he recovered from the wounds Loki gave him in his Zoan form).

Well, that actually speaks for Loki. Loki not being aware of/understanding his own power at that point (while still being astonishingly strong) can just be used as an excuse and now that Loki is released and specifically said that he now understands what Gaban was talking about, that's a different game now.

iirc, "special bounty".
It doesn't speak for Loki. It puts his Haki on the same as tier as Zoro. That's why it was mentioned in the same page as Zoro's Haki.

And you're missing something crucial for Loki himself: He doesn't have regen. He doesn't have the CoC shield that Xebec had. He doesn't have Imu's regeneration.

This is where your entire argument falls apart, and why Shanks' Haki made all the difference.
 
This is not really true and empty hype. WB needs couple of attacks to even destroy MF island. He would die of old age before he could come close to destroying the world.
I am not talking about WB or BB i am talking about the Gura Gura it self
Gura gura could just flip the whole of MF upside down and island destroy end of story .
It could just make tidal waves that cover the whole island and then it destroy it.
WB being sick was still able to turn over island half way that just DF power not who using it.
 
Goldberg said you could maybe eat the Godknights, I'm now expecting Loki to at least eat one of them just to see what happens.

MMA were cooked since the fodder straw hats were freed. :ihaha:

Unless Imu summons all the Godknights he's cooked. :risisure:

You know what that means ...? Domi reversi Loki is his only way out.
Domi Loki theory is almost as dumb as
Zkk
 
Whitebeard destroying the world, means the OP world was retconned too?
No, it means he was never capable of something like that, it´s a ridiculous exaggeration on it´s face, spread through rumors after people saw the Gura fruit destroy like.... tiny islands. Oda didn´t even have WB involved in the sinking of God Valley, let alone something that would convince people he could actually destroy the world.
 
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