Spoiler One Piece Chapter 1174 Spoilers Discussion

[Paperchampion23]

Exactly.

Let's assume Imu is this arc's villain. We are talking about someone who no-sold Xebec, Garp, Roger, WB, BM and Kaido (rookie). Idk why people think it's not enough.

My issue with it is that Imu is clearly not getting resolved this arc anyway lol. This does nothing like Egghead did nothing. Lore wise? Excellent obviously, but it scares me when people are absolutely okay with this series being entirely endloaded.

More villains = less screentime or a far more bloated war than we are expecting. Its why with all of the HKs I was expecting some sort of resolution here with them. If these 3 die, Imu probably can just replace them like he did Saturn. If more died or lost this arc at least it suggests he cant replace them all.

Thats my fundamental issue with the last 2 arcs atm because Kizaru is still 100% fine and Saturn was simply replaced by a more important character. Now we are here risking the same thing happening

 

[Elder Lee Hung]

You gotta pass me that panel as well.

No I don’t. We all saw Harald one shot Saint Shanks and Gaban while solo’ing a hundred giants. Lol

 

[TheD.]

A few arcs later he made the ultimate chad Oden (who actually defeated Kaido) look like a school boy with one kamusari and

Sounds cool and all until you realize oden was weaker back then vs when he one shot kaido,also oden got up and completely ate the kamusari Roger gave him.

 

[Dragon777]

I love shitting on odas power scaling as much as the next guy but cmon, oda isn’t going to have Loki power cliff Roger and then have Luffy team up with him while Luffy is still at best equal to an admiral. Cmon now. When has Luffy ever allied with someone that much stronger than him

 

[OPKnK]

How is a random domi reserve PU - a PU which even fodder giants got - stronger than Imu's exclusive Holy Knight PU? He gave no fucks to Xebec losing to Roger and Garp but he was shocked at HK Harald being killed by someone. HK Harald was stated to be a monster by Imu himself, lol.
It's pretty clear HK Harald > DR Xebec.

Why would Imu give a fuck when rocks died and PU you get from DR is base on strong were before.
DR rocks was made kill his family and everyone around him and then the knight to kill him after he came out DR.
Because he no longer had any use for him and because Imu did not want him to escape.
With harlald him getting kill effect Imu plans of controlling elbaf and also hurt him .
The context around there fights and story was very differnt in how it was done.

Loki in hybrid mode should have all that power concentrated though. Hybrid usually gives an user best of both worlds.

Yeah hybrid does that but this OP power scaling and i won't put it pass Oda not have AP 1 to 1 cause he want to make loki creature form look awesome for the first time.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

At no point were these two treated as equal partners. Whitebeard treated him like a runt to protect, not a partner to fight alongside.

Do you think Lokis just going to be protecting Luffy all of Elbaf?

 

[soupongo]

@Shiroyru @EmperorKinyagi @MarineHQ
Does True Prime Hiruzen look better then any OP title merchant?
>No Tsundere rivalries:
Crydo and Scrambeard had Tsundere fights with Big Mom, but never definitvely beat her. Big Mom basically called Kaido a bitch who could never beat her to his face and he basically took it. Crydo and Scrambeard both endlessly glazed Oden of all people. Mihawk has a tsundere history with Shanks, which he never settled because ¨muh arm¨.
>Mastered all the Jutsus of Konoha, while Scrambeard and Crydo couldn´t even master the one ability they had(awakening), Mihawk refuses to eat a DF which would just solve his problem of dealing with navy fodder
>Beat a plot relevant villain in a war: Orochimaru and his 2 edos
Scrambeard lost half his face to not even the worlds strongest military force(Shamrock, the governments child of destiny probably didnt even think it was worth his time, scarring him previously), Crydo couldn´t beat Big mom or Oden fairly in wars, and Obviously Mihawk begged Vista to fight him later, and never did so.

 

[nik87]

After Zoan Loki without ACoC and Ragnir washed a fully controlled Harald, meaning his defense was useless against Loki's power level.

And even if we argue Shanks' CoC is that sophisticated (knocking people out of their DF, which he more or less did against Aramaki the way Joyboy's Haki did to the elders), that's off limit for Kaido, he has shown nothing bar hitting hard. At least we have never seen Kaido knocking out anyone out of their DF (be it Luffy or Yamato).

That never happened.
Harald's defenses did the same thing they did against Shanks+Gaban = regenerated everything.
Shanks haki burst is the same as all other haki bursts(so far only Joyboy's is known) - it removes DFs from equation.
That ability literally exists for that sole reason - to place DF abilities in the B team while Haki rules supreme.

Kaido never doing it could be for one of the 2 reasons.
He either doesnt know how to manipulate CoC to do a burst.
Or it was a narrative decision to prevent those fights from going from low diff to lol diff.

No I don’t. We all saw Harald one shot Saint Shanks and Gaban while solo’ing a hundred giants. Lol

Link plox, Lee-chin.

 

[Buusatan94]

If she isn't joining after Elbaf, neither is she.

Good, I can't stand her.

 

[Dragon777]

At no point were these two treated as equal partners. Whitebeard treated him like a runt to protect, not a partner to fight alongside.

Do you think Lokis just going to be protecting Luffy all of Elbaf?

No, but he might have an active role.

I could have said Jinbe-pre TS Luffy too, but this was more evident.

 

[Kejon]

Logia awakenings will probably be insanely powerful.

 

[TheD.]

Tbh every single strong character was horrible displayed at god valley. WB, Roger, Garp, Rocks, Kaido etc. Everyone was disappointing. Oda can draw really beautiful fights If He wants to do and has the time for it. But God Valley was a simp show

Don’t lump rocks in with them he was a Fantastic character that’s disrespectful also Garp looked good too scaring off the future yonko.

 

[Dragon777]

My issue with it is that Imu is clearly not getting resolved this arc anyway lol. This does nothing like Egghead did nothing. Lore wise? Excellent obviously, but it scares me when people are absolutely okay with this series being entirely endloaded.

More villains = less screentime or a far more bloated war than we are expecting. Its why with all of the HKs I was expecting some sort of resolution here with them. If these 3 die, Imu probably can just replace them like he did Saturn. If more died or lost this arc at least it suggests he cant replace them all.

Thats my fundamental issue with the last 2 arcs atm because Kizaru is still 100% fine and Saturn was simply replaced by a more important character. Now we are here risking the same thing happening

Yeah, this I get.

Nothing would be definitively solved, at least not in the sense of enemies defeated. Or important enemies at least.

We might get some outside of Erbaf news, though.

 

[Akai]

Sounds cool and all until you realize oden was weaker back then vs when he one shot kaido,also oden got up and completely ate the kamusari Roger gave him.

So you telling me that Oden got stronger than WB and Roger when he was sailing the seas with them?

Dont get me wrong. Your point is valid but doesnt change potential and relation.

If Oden came back multiples stronger, imagine how much stronger WB and Roger got in that time.

 

[MegaSpider]

If Imu is strong enough to handle Loki, then the rest of the strawhats outside Luffy will literally be useless fodder in the final war.

 

[OPKnK]

Well, if he were there in person, I think there would be no real prospect of success. Imu is literally the big bad of the OP world since the first era and through 3 eras straight.

Not now at least, with Loki potentially wounded.

Don't get me wrong i full understand why Oda did it this way .
We learn about Imu and see a way to hurt him and Oda need to set up lore and power wise for him if he going to be FV over BB.
Who has gotten way more set up over they years and hell even he get some lore this arc for BB also .

 

[TheD.]

So you telling me that Oden got stronger than WB and Roger when he was sailing the seas with them?

Clearly not but oden would hold his own better against them

 

[Sir Yasheen]

No, but he might have an active role.

I could have said Jinbe-pre TS Luffy too, but this was more evident.

Again, Oda went out of his way here to constantly have Luffy be looked at as the small time in comparison here.

And im talking about Arc allies who join Luffy to fight against an arc antagonist not the vague alliances made in Impel Down and Marineford where defeating an enemy wasn’t even on the table.

Because we all know whoever is the final villain of Elbaf, the last hit is going to Luffy. So unless this villain is going to defeat someone magnitudes stronger just to get beat by Luffy, it’s an absolutely ridiculous concept

 

[Julius]

Loki that big?

Anti Manner Kick Course with coc upscale

Leech n wings ftw

 

[Akai]

Don’t lump rocks in with them he was a Fantastic character that’s disrespectful also Garp looked good too scaring off the future yonko.

No sorryy rocks definitely had his cool moments in the flashback, but at god valley everyone was crap. Even Garp. Those scenes doesnt mean much to me. Thats like BM telling kaido to dodge zoros attack.. Just for the show