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[Welkin]

Judge’s rant on Sanji:



Where is "Sanji is weak" here?
Did we forget Sanji absolutely ripping Yonji a new one on WCI?
Or Ichiji leveraging hostages against Sanji to prevent him from packing up Niji (with these fools ganging up on someone who couldn't hit back)
Or Sanji going toe to toe with Judge and probably packing him up as well but for Judge using one of the Germa Soldiers as a meat shield to throw Sanji off in his fight against him?

What this nonsense about Sanji requring his germa awakening to prove his strength against the Vinsmokes?
Do you think better aramment would've changed anything againt Niji with his bum brothers levergaing hostages againnst him?
or do you think better aramament would've suddenly made Sanji not drop his guard against Judge when he quite literally used his own soldier as a meat shield to gain an advantage against Sanji?

What is so strong about what these lunatics were doing?

Let's not forget that the very tings about Sanji that Judge is dissing and waffling about was the very reason his dumbass got saved from Linlin on WCI. His life, ambitions, empire would've all ended on WCI but for Sanji saving his bum ass.

It's okay to say that you wanted Sanji to be developed in a certain way, "strong martial artist, haki extrodinare" and that you don't like the gene awakeining route but let's not blur the lines to fit our narrative.

Anyways, on the whole Germa ting, Sanji has never been normal. Even prior to his full awakening, he had an abnormal resistance to flame and could quite literally combust into and weild flames like the Lunarians (i..e Queen quite literally told us as much on Wano)

On the Sora ting, she was never against Sanji becoming superhuman but rather his emotions being taken away from him, which ended up being preserved with Sanji's full awakening and seems to be the very source of Sanji's next development phase via PoL.

Whole Gema ordeal emphasizes all of the things that make Sanji such a great character (kindness, selflessness, resourcefulness etc.), and makes Sanji's development route very unique and also gives him a lot of potential with regards to strength development going forward, which I and some others have already discussed exhaustively on here already.

It's insane to me that even some of our fellow Sanjibros completely misunderstand the narrative. Or rather I think some of them understand but they just don't like the route Oda chose for Sanji's Wano development because they wanted him to only develop through haki

Sanji literally bodied Yonji and it came to Judge's ears, he said "He is quite strong, you know.." then Sanji says "Then i guess im better.."

He knows Sanji has grew strength, he is Just coping that his kids are superior and one of the main reasons is that Sanji still cares for people and shit. Judge despises that and so do his kids

@Julius Funnily enough I was just about to put that in my reply to Puck

He meets Sanji who he knows defeated Yonji, realizes that he can use haki, and still calls him a failure

Hmmmm I'm sure it has everything to do with strength and nothing to do with his emotions! That makes sense!

 

[JJtheman]

I agree.
I always said that the route Oda went with Sanji and the whole Germa thing was nonsensical.
Like he said in the video, Sanji was human, that's why Sora died, that's the whole reason he was hated by his family and was called weak - and instead of overcoming them with his own strenght, by being a Human, he just out of nowhere ends up enhanced like them. Basicaly proving his Father right. The conclusion of this backstory is retarded.

The Germa genes help Sanji as they prove his willpower and spirit are stronger than its programming. Because from what was shown in the story, with it Sanji would have no emotions (or at least empathy) and willpower, and he would lose his flames and haki, what truly puts him above his brothers. And as well Sanjis exoskeleton is in a completely different league from his brothers, probably because he went through a lot more tough shit that forced him to grow stronger and he didnt have an exoskeleton or raid suit to protect him, he was forced to grow stronger. By having Sanji forced to have his genes awakened but retaining his emotions it shows his strength of character and that Soras sacrifice wasnt for nothing, she was able to foster a spirit strong enough to resist Judges programming. Sanji looks better thanks to the germa genes plotline. And to those saying Sanji couldnt reach the levels of Ifrit Jambe without the exoskeleton, he literally showed in Elbaf that his armament haki has grown so much that he can now use IJ in base. The genes are his Enma, but they help to show his strengths as a character instead of being a meaningless deus ex machina.

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It's insane to me that even some of our fellow Sanjibros completely misunderstand the narrative. Or rather I think some of them understand but they just don't like the route Oda chose for Sanji's Wano development because they wanted him to only develop through haki




@Julius Funnily enough I was just about to put that in my reply to Puck

He meets Sanji who he knows defeated Yonji, realizes that he can use haki, and still calls him a failure

Hmmmm I'm sure it has everything to do with strength and nothing to do with his emotions! That makes sense!

Sanjis exoskeleton exists to show just how strong his haki (willpower) is.

 

[Hiragaro]

When they’re escaping from WCI Judge says one thing about his strength and then critiques him because of his personality which is tied to his emotions. You know, the thing that Sora died to protect?

And because it's ''only'' one thing, it disproves my point? Sanji literly got shot, symbolising and visualizing his humanity (And no, it's not only the physical aspect to make someone human, this is just the ''visual'' comparision betwen him and his siblings). Hence why Judge even points that out.

The Germa awakening are 2 things, the physical aspect and the emotional aspect. A strong soldier with emotions can stil be usefull, as someone with zero emotions that lacks strenght.

I don’t know how you can read a panel like this and say “Sanji not being modified is the reason Judge considered him a failure”

I never said that's the only reason and that the emotions didn't matter. Stop twisting my words....

Here you have Judge giving him a lecture about showing emotions and cooking for rats - following with, that he got no talent unlike his brothers and he has to train 100 times harder to make up the difference. Despite his emotions, if he could physicaly keep up, he would have stil be usefull to him.

Spoiler

Sanji was called a failure once they compared his score with his siblings - which is a physical test. In the previous page Judge also says that Royalty does not serve and how many times he has to tell him that. So it's not the first time that Sanji did it and Judge knew about his different emotions and only after the physical test he was called a failure.

Spoiler

Here we have the scores again and they didn't change. Lack of future promise they say and shortly after Judge fakes his death.

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Meanwhile Judge with with his other kids and their great physical progress...

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Having no emotions is great for a mercyless killing maschine, but you need strenght to be a killing maschine in the first place. Which Sanji was lacking as a kid compared to his siblings.

This part is absolutely mindboggling to me. Sanji being a normal human is not the whole reason he's called weak. Oda couldn't have possibly made it more obvious than this

You doofus, with Human i obviously mean his physical AND his emotional side...

If Sanji was enhanced but remained the same person do you truly believe Judge would view him as a success?

Not a success, but not a failure either. He would have been simply imperfect, but stil usefull as a fighter for him.

He meets Sanji who he knows defeated Yonji, realizes that he can use haki, and still calls him a failure

Hmmmm I'm sure it has everything to do with strength and nothing to do with his emotions! That makes sense!

Again, i never said it's only about strenght and that it has nothing to do with emotions, stop twisting my words...

Judge called him a failure all his life, even blamed Sora's death on him (as far as i remember). What? You think he is gonna call him ''my beloved'' son now?
In his eyes he is stil a failure, because he had none of the Germa awakening and kept his emotions - so his experiment failed completely.

Besides, experimenting on humans, let alone unborn children is beyond fucked up. There is nothing good about.
And instead of Oda going the ''don't do shit like that and try to ''cheat'' and that hard work pays off'' route, he said fuck it, let's give Sanji some Genes...after around 1000 chapters into the story.

 

[Rumble]

To this day still think Sanji was worthy of being up there but Oda decided to give him great character progression with Robin.

Why do you think Sanji was excluded from being a member of the Worst Generation?

This is straight up untrue though, no?

Hirago is correct.

Sanji was called a failure because he had compassion.

That's simply not true.
Sanji wasn't able to keep up with his brothers and because he was not showing the same progress as his brothers, he was deemed a failure. Reiju had emotions, but had the same abilities as her brothers, she was not called a failure.
Even with emotions Sanji would have been usefull to Judge, if he would be able to keep up with his siblings.
In WCI Judge saw that Sanji was not lacking in stats, except his Iron Skin and his emotions. Judge even mentioned how his skin is no armor, besides him having emotions, when he was talking to Luffy. No word of him lacking in super strenght or anything like that, because he saw that Sanji has it even above his siblings.

Judge deemed Sanji a failure because of the revelation Sanji was born ordinary. He was already aware he was soft by then.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

Why do you think Sanji was excluded from being a member of the Worst Generation?



Hirago is correct.



Judge deemed Sanji a failure because of the revelation Sanji was born ordinary. He was already aware he was soft by then.

Judge explained in the end of WCI why he deemed Sanji a failure. It was because he was human and had human emotions.

 

[Rumble]

Judge explained in the end of WCI why he deemed Sanji a failure. It was because he was human and had human emotions.

We know Judge was explicitly aware of Sanji's emotions before he received confirmation he was born ordinary. We know this because he had him barred from the kitchens and the dialogue from when he confronts Sanji after receiving confirmation.

Judge could have lived with Sanji having emotions if he was born with the modifications. It's only because he wasn't that he decided Sanji was worthless to his plans, i.e. a failure.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

We know Judge was explicitly aware of Sanji's emotions before he received confirmation he was born ordinary. We know this because he had him barred from the kitchens and the dialogue from when he confronts Sanji after receiving confirmation.

Judge could have lived with Sanji having emotions if he was born with the modifications. It's only because he wasn't that he decided Sanji was worthless to his plans, i.e. a failure.

Judge saw current Sanji be vastly stronger than the other vinsmokes, and he still called Sanji a failure.

Sanji wasn’t worthwhile to his plans because Sanji wasn’t a heartless soldier like judge wanted them to be. It wasn’t about a lack of power. If Sanji was weak and heartless judge would still find use for him

 

[kekaro]

Judge saw current Sanji be vastly stronger than the other vinsmokes, and he still called Sanji a failure.

Sanji wasn’t worthwhile to his plans because Sanji wasn’t a heartless soldier like judge wanted them to be. It wasn’t about a lack of power. If Sanji was weak and heartless judge would still find use for him

Those things are the same for Judge tho

 

[Rumble]

Judge saw current Sanji be vastly stronger than the other vinsmokes, and he still called Sanji a failure.

Judge saw what Sanji became after having already deemed him a failure.

Given his personality and friction with Sanji, short of soloing Big Mom, there was nothing Sanji could have done on WCI to make Judge take back his words. Surely Judge's lack of objectivity is obvious?

Sanji wasn’t worthwhile to his plans because Sanji wasn’t a heartless soldier like judge wanted them to be. It wasn’t about a lack of power. If Sanji was weak and heartless judge would still find use for him

The entire purpose of Judge's modifications was to create powerful military assets to restore the Germa Kingdom to its former glory.

It's not Sanji's softness he couldn't live with, it was his lack of ability.

If Sanji demonstrated to sufficient power from an early age, there is no indication whatsoever Judge wouldn't have tolerated his flaws, such as he perceives them.

 

[Juanpiz]

Judge saw what Sanji became after having already deemed him a failure.

Given his personality and friction with Sanji, short of soloing Big Mom, there was nothing Sanji could have done on WCI to make Judge take back his words. Surely Judge's lack of objectivity is obvious?



The entire purpose of Judge's modifications was to create powerful military assets to restore the Germa Kingdom to its former glory.

It's not Sanji's softness he couldn't live with, it was his lack of ability.

If Sanji demonstrated to sufficient power from an early age, there is no indication whatsoever Judge wouldn't have tolerated his flaws, such as he perceives them.

Didnt he Talk about the „Bad influence“ of the Cook who saved sanji

 

[MegaSpider]

Since Oda went the "Exoskeleton route" I want there to actually be more use for it than just Sanji using it no different from tekkai/coA hardening, otherwise there's no point. It should be similar to a paramecia df.

Also Theoretically, he can be the next generations BigMom/Kaido in terms of taking damage/immortality, but Oda would actually need to give him focus/screen time for that.

I want to see the real limit to his defence.
Was hoping for Kizaru to truly test Sanji's "immortality" but that didn't happen. Maybe Killingham/Sommers/Dorry/Brogy can do it. Or perhaps DR Loki if Oda goes with the Oars 2.0 route.

 

[Hiragaro]

Judge saw current Sanji be vastly stronger than the other vinsmokes, and he still called Sanji a failure.

You really think Judge would change his mind, apologize and say he was in the wrong? lmao
His hate and blame towards Sanji shaped his opinion, it won't go away just like that.
And what do you guys even expect? Ofc Judge is stil gonna belittle Sanji when asking Luffy, why he would risk his life to save someone like Sanji.
I think he was trying to find an answer for himself, if he is doing the right thing, risking his life to let Sanji escape Toto Land. Because he stil decided to come to help them, even though he didn't had to.
He ain't gonna ask - ''Why would you risk your life, trying to safe the strongest member of Germa that was kind enough to save us?!''...
That would answer his own question.
He is to proud for that.

 

[Sir Yasheen]

You really think Judge would change his mind, apologize and say he was in the wrong? lmao
His hate and blame towards Sanji shaped his opinion, it won't go away just like that.
And what do you guys even expect? Ofc Judge is stil gonna belittle Sanji when asking Luffy, why he would risk his life to save someone like Sanji.
I think he was trying to find an answer for himself, if he is doing the right thing, risking his life to let Sanji escape Toto Land. Because he stil decided to come to help them, even though he didn't had to.
He ain't gonna ask - ''Why would you risk your life, trying to safe the strongest member of Germa that was kind enough to save us?!''...
That would answer his own question.
He is to proud for that.

Judge said that after WCI Sanji was a useless soldier. He didn’t have to apologize to Sanji rather even after WCI he believed Sanji as a useless soldier because his heart and lack of royal pride.

Judge hates Sanji not because of sora, but because Judge believes that a soldier who follows his heart is useless