Controversial General Political Discussion

[Midnight Delight]

Yeah it's pretty funny considering Marx was more of a "modernist" philosopher. He would probably view people who still try to apply his theories n the modern day very lowly. Hell his theories were outright wrong, he predicted a worldwide workers revolution that never occurred because industrialization just went on a different route. If he were a scientist we wouldn't be talking about him

Marx's entire mindset would change from seeing AI alone

 

[Blax Blah]

Marx's entire mindset would change from seeing AI alone

AI is the sussy imposter amogus

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

India purchased 30 million barrels at 6 to 8$ premium (higher than global prices) from Russia.

Russia is gaining so much from this crisis.

US was crying last year about how India and China buying Russian oil is helping Russia in its war against Ukraine.

And, now America end up creating a situation where Russia is gaining much more than since the time Ukraine war started.


World economies are diversifying sources - even Canada is gaining from this crisis.

I guess in long term countries will reduce their dependency on Hormuz and Gulf

Seems like this was the game plan break the Gulfs economy and dependency on Hormuz.

US already has Venezuela oil they dont need it . The war is not about Nuclear threat but more on hey lets diversify the oil war .

 

[Reborn]

Seems like this was the game plan break the Gulfs economy and dependency on Hormuz.

US already has Venezuela oil they dont need it . The war is not about Nuclear threat but more on hey lets diversify the oil war .

Who knows

But one thing is clear...more than the blockade of Hormuz it's the attacks on energy fields which will hurt world economy. It would take weeks or even months to bounce back from current situation and most likely the situation would get worse for everyone - West or East, North or South - we all be in bind as it's not just about oil and gas but the cascading effects these fuels have on other industries as transportation costs and raw materials

 

[Roo]

@Midnight Delight why are Pakistanis obsessed with Israel

 

[Reborn]

Iranian Parliament is considering a bill to levy toll tax to allow safe passage from Hormuz.

This is nuts as Iran's territorial water doesn't cover entirety of Hormuz anyway.

Trump has made a massive mess and gave Iran a significant bargaining chip.

And, this bum won't even back out because USS Tripoli has reached Singapore and is heading towards Hormuz. It's an amphibious vessel so it's seen like US is looking forward to major crisis - response force.

 

[Reborn]

These Gulf countries are arresting influencers who are filming attacks...

They care more about public image than actually defending themselves from Iran's attack smh

 

[Reborn]

Only good thing Trump has said so far is by clearing saying "Israel won't hit any oil and gas fields anymore" and warn Iran not to hit either or US will start targetting Iran's biggest oil field.

US has so far didn't attack oil and gas fields.

Israel and Iran were doing so.

 

[Roo]

Only good thing Trump has said so far is by clearing saying "Israel won't hit any oil and gas fields anymore" and warn Iran not to hit either or US will start targetting Iran's biggest oil field.

US has so far didn't attack oil and gas fields.

Israel and Iran were doing so.

U.S. knew the Israel was going to attack the gas fields so it’s just lip service

 

[Reborn]

U.S. knew the Israel was going to attack the gas fields so it’s just lip service

Yeah and it's annoying.

I mean on one hand US is saying we need to secure Hormuz and allies should help to contain oil prices from rising and then Israel is attacking oil fields. Iran is attacking as well but last night attack form Iran happened after Israel targetted oil field in Iran.



Whole world is paying consequences of US - Israel and Iran triangle right now.

 

[Midnight Delight]

@Midnight Delight why are Pakistanis obsessed with Israel

Their entire identity is about Being Muslims(besides the Pashtun and Baloch who most of the time don't give a shit about the world outside their villages which is based), leading to them being obsessed with pan Islamism to a degree that you don't see any other Muslim community be like

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/19/congress-braces-for-200b-iran-war-request-00835914

200 billion dollar crazy

 

[Mathias]

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/19/congress-braces-for-200b-iran-war-request-00835914

200 billion dollar crazy

Banks are gonna print such amazing debts

 

[Logiko]

Marx's entire mindset would change from seeing AI alone

On the contrary. AI demonstrate his point. To a cynical degree even.

 

[Jesse Pinkman]

Banks are gonna print such amazing debts

Why cant Elon share his stock after all he is trillionaire . Lol these thugs in White house want common man’s money to enrich their war.

 

[Reborn]

We might see take over of Hormuz by US.

Iran controls Hormuz via 3 islands. Perhaps the reason behind USS Tripoli movement towards Iran.


However, whatever US and Israel wants to do now, there's need to have more Defense around oil fields.

It's baffling how big oil fields and plants are defenseless.

Qatar LNG plant which Iran targetted recently requires repair and it will take 1 to 3 years.

 

[Reborn]

https://www.politico.com/news/2026/03/19/congress-braces-for-200b-iran-war-request-00835914

200 billion dollar crazy

US spend 11B $ in first 6 days of the war.

200B $ is actually reasonable amount considering the duration and escalation of the war.


Well not reasonable for Americans though

 

[Reborn]

4 European Union Nations including France, UK and Japan have agreed to help US to secure Hormuz

 

[Uncle Van]

Not same but he did advocate.

In his communist manifesto, Karl Marx said - The Communists… openly declare that their ends can be attained "only by the forcible overthrow" of all existing social conditions.

Later, at communist league he said - There is only one way in which the murderous death agonies of the old society… can be shortened… "revolutionary terror."

For him, violence is necessary if required. He didn't glorify it but he advocated it clearly.

That is not the advocacy for violence like most associate it with. As I said, many think of Stalin, Lenin, and the actual violent revolutions when they think of Marxism. They assume Marxist WANT violence and that the theory is about spreading violence. They say "They're Marxist!" in the vein that they want violence for the sake of it, and has the goal of ruining the lives of everyone. Aimless rioters and gangs per se. Karl Marx and Marxism does not/did not preach violence like Revolutionary Marxism and Leninism.

Marxism is the belief that class war is the central driving force of historical change, and that capitalism by its very nature exploits and creates class inequality, and therefore must be supplanted. It also believes that revolution is inevitable because the exploitation will not stop until revolution starts.

However, Karl Marx did advocate for peaceful solutions if possible, and believed that Democratic avenues to social and economic changes should be taken if available to achieve peaceful process. He just thought that in most situations, democratic process in unavailable for the nation, leaving revolution the only option left. A revolutionist believes any process that isn't revolution is futile.

Marxism = "yeah he gonna blow it up at this rate. Might as well get ready if shit doesnt change."

Revolutionist and Leninism= "Let's blow that shit up right now! "

 

[Logiko]

That is not the advocacy for violence like most associate it with. As I said, many think of Stalin, Lenin, and the actual violent revolutions when they think of Marxism. They assume Marxist WANT violence and that the theory is about spreading violence. They say "They're Marxist!" in the vein that they want violence for the sake of it, and has the goal of ruining the lives of everyone. Aimless rioters and gangs per se. Karl Marx and Marxism does not/did not preach violence like Revolutionary Marxism and Leninism.

Marxism is the belief that class war is the central driving force of historical change, and that capitalism by its very nature exploits and creates class inequality, and therefore must be supplanted. It also believes that revolution is inevitable because the exploitation will not stop until revolution starts.

However, Karl Marx did advocate for peaceful solutions if possible, and believed that Democratic avenues to social and economic changes should be taken if available to achieve peaceful process. He just thought that in most situations, democratic process in unavailable for the nation, leaving revolution the only option left. A revolutionist believes any process that isn't revolution is futile.

Marxism = "yeah he gonna blow it up at this rate. Might as well get ready if shit doesnt change."

Revolutionist and Leninism= "Let's blow that shit up right now! "

Also it's worth noting that even among revolutionnaries of today (in the west mostly) some people consider non violence as the way forward as a real revolution would be most likely suicidal.

The movements of organisations are prioritized.