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And Kizaru wasn’t shown using Haki either, so it’s just back to square one. Trying to pretend that Luffy’s attack wasn’t the 2nd most powerful we’ve seen from him is also pointless. It just shows the lengths that Luffy had to go after a tiring battle to even momentarily knock Kizaru down. It...

That doesn’t follow. You can try and exclude Kid all you want, but Oda was clearly portraying him & Law as a duo. If Kid was doing nothing then he would have just been ignored, but she kept referring to both of them.

Might be the first time that 2 CoC users link up and have a child. Their offspring would be so OP.

He would have become evil Sanji and forced Zoro to try and kill him. Considering the sister thread about Zoro not having Enma, Zoro would be dead so evil Sanji would rampage until Luffy is forced to step in.

What is this revisionism? Kaido powered up to fight base Luffy. He said with his own words that Luffy could go toe-to-toe with him. Kizaru casually dealt with an amped up version of said Luffy. He had Nika huffing and panting from the effort of fighting him, and so badly depleted that he had to...

It’s downright hilarious that Oda had to include in-story characters to praise Nika…trying to make this terrible decision look like a good thing

What a frightening thought. Would the final war even be legible by that point? :lusalty:

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“Emeth is made up of a special form of tungsten which blocks CoC, like how lead blocks Superman’s x-Ray vision” - Oda probably

It may just be Oda keeping the Gorosei in their dumb animal forms that are just ineffective. Kizaru is too efficient a character due to his abilities, so he has to be sidelined for the events to take place. He could sink the giants’ ship with a light kick like he used to destroy a mangrove tree...

He apparently wouldn’t have figured out he has CoC and would’ve died prematurely

Oh boy, we really are going to be dealing with the “is he using ACoC” black lightning pixel BS until the end of the series…

That wouldn’t happen if Kizaru killed Luffy while he was lying helpless on the ground begging for food. Don’t forget that Luffy needed help to even get up…not to mention Kizaru focusing on Vegapunk so that Luffy could grab him from behind as well. Relying on luck has always been Luffy’s lot in...

He doesn’t need to put her down, just drive her away. And besides that, it does seem that a bunch of lasers would indeed do some damage. She was trying to block Franky’s pale imitation of it, for example. Not that Kizaru would have any problems with closer attacks either. He could not only match...

The Warlords are one of the best element (if not even defining element) of One Piece. They are what elevated the storytelling to the next level, whether you consider Baratie or Alabasta the first high point of the story.

How does Big Mom hit Kizaru? Take your time in trying to come up with a feasible scenario for that. The only move to ever hit Kizaru in direct combat even up till now is the absolute fastest attack from Gear 5 Luffy. And that was after some offscreen fighting that left both G5 and Kizaru panting...

What do you mean? Kizaru could have obviously stopped Big Mom and sent the BMP back on their way to WCI. That’s just business as usual. Top tiers avoid each other because any engagement could prove costly.

I think that Oda honestly just doesn’t know what he’s doing…or doesn’t care half as much as some fans do :jay-yeah:

I kinda tune it out for the sake of my own sanity. It’s clearly going to be this way from now on since Oda finds such trash amusing for some reason. 5 times in this arc already makes me feel that Oda may even make it Luffy’s default form at some point.

Vegapunk is another case of Oda trying to mishmash conflicting traits all at once. He says he won’t take sides between Joyboy and the WG, but he also wants Joyboy’s will to be passed on anyway. Oda made him dumb because he couldn’t write the plot the way he wanted otherwise.