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It will never happen. To answer your question, Oda is very deliberately avoiding making a clear statement, there is always an ounce of ambiguity thrown in.

I think this is mostly it. The WG also always viewed him as a “pirate hating pirate” and someone they could negotiate with to improve human-fishman relations. He’s very strong but not the sort of threat as someone like Kidd, who murders civilians, or Crocodile who is a war profiteer and monger...

I've read and watched everything ASOIAF-related multiple times. I'm kind of dreading HotD season 2 and beyond. So much tragedy...won't be an easy watch.

Yes, Luffy is the mc, will end up the goat, and the Gorosei are next level villains. That has no bearing on what happens in the immediate term with regards to Kizaru getting up or not. You have strong hypotheses on what’s going to happen next, but the fact is no one other than Oda knows for...

I think Luffy is going to get up. But I think Kizaru is going to get up at around the same time. In all the cases you listed, the fights did not end until the opponents were truly incapacitated. If Luffy gets up and Kizaru stays down, that'd be a W for Luffy, but if they both get up, it merely...

There's no proving speculation right or wrong, hence no point in debating it till the story gets to a point where we have facts to deal with. What happened to him was more than him turning into an old man. He became a sack of meat unable to move a muscle. Luffy wouldn't need G5 altogether to...

Do you think any conscious mid tier would be incapable of dodging Saturn’s “attack?” Considering that franky had no issue pushing top tier definitely victorious Luffy out of the way.

The panels you posted already tell most of the relevant parts of the story. Lucci is spewing blood, his eyes are white, and he’s exclaiming that Luffy’s power is insane, and ends up knocked out completely. Luffy isn’t incapacitated, though he’s dried up. Kizaru says “this isn’t good”, appears...

I agree with a lot of pieces of the theory, but this: Saturn's build up has been too extreme for him to go down right here, right now. So far, he's simultaneously the most politically powerful and evil character we've ever been introduced to, and by a wide margin. He's on an entirely different...

That was before he underwent the nika transformation Luffy didn’t have to ko himself after using Kaido as a jump rope. I don’t know how kizaru’s performance against g5 is supposed to look bad next to kaido’s. the trolling against Kaido was more one-sided if anything.

I detest buggy. The joke has gone way too far, and him becoming pk would be idiotic, and yet I see Oda doing it. He’s a terrible person, and his failing upwards through bullshit mirrors reality in a frustrating way. Otherwise, I’m fatigued by shanks, Mihawk, zoro, Garp, Luffy himself. No hate...

Invading impel down would have made much more sense no matter how you slice it. Magellan + shiryuu being the biggest threat versus all the admirals and the rest of the marines. Teach demonstrated that a high high tier with a tiny crew could free anyone they wanted without too much trouble. But...

I’m no sword swallower, but, zoro high diffs Kaido .

I I don’t agree, and in the real world, the person standing would’ve won the match. The results are what matter. Same as how it’s clear to me that Akainu beat WB in Marineford. I’d rather be the guy with a bloody lip than the guy who lost half his head, regardless of who some would call the...

If we’re in a boxing match and I faint due to tiring myself out, who wins? 1700113772 I think all 3 of the above are very distinct from Garp and a lot more complex (at least so far) Fujitora as you said has a very clear agenda without wavering. He aimed to change the system from the inside by...

Akainu narrative is merely a cherry on top. Luffy defeated Kaido. Kizaru is able to fight evenly with him. That’s factually what’s going on.

Even if you end up being correct, what does this have to do with anything? You’re arguing that Luffy decisively beat Kizaru even though that’s factually false, and your counter argument has to do with narrative and theorycrafting. Whatever the future may hold, the present is the present...

Tbh Im rationalizing it being a stalemate just to try to meet the haters halfway. In reality, Luffy is objectively in a worse state than Kizaru. 1700109409 Imho Akainu is probably a future opponent of Luffy’s but unlikely to be the final one.

Kizaru can’t stand up. Luffy is both unconscious and can’t even move (needed franky to intervene else Saturn would’ve crushed his skull) at worst, it’s a stalemate the fight, in reality, would not have been even close to finished if Saturn didn’t intervene.

Ko himself while drawing no blood and having Kizaru remain conscious ?