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Where did I say in the post you responded to Lucci move at the speed of light or have equal speed to Kizaru? I never stated that I'm just explaining you that I don't take the light speed statement as serious as you do since we have characters reacting to and even evading light speed attacks.

You argument doesn't make any sense. Are you saying cheetahs and falcons aren't fast simply because you can watch them move on camera? It doesn't matter if you are looking at them in real life or on a camera there's still moving at a fast speed. Who said Dr. Vegapunk can see ever step Lucci...

:lawsigh: Luffy hit Kizaru and Sentomaru blocked Kizaru attack. Lucci matched Luffy's speed at times and blizted Sentomaru. That facts tells us Lucci has incredible speed even when compared to Kizaru. Luffy only hit Lucci with a surprise attack from the ground, why he was distracted, and when...

Try actually countering my post. So far haven't proved me wrong. I provided manga scenes showing Lucci has top tier speed and keeping up with and matching a character who can hit Kizaru light speed movement. Since all you seem to care about is light speed movement here is pre TS Zoro evading...

Lucci has top tier speed. He specializing speed and close quarters combat. Similar to how King has top tier durability and defense. Lucci's awakening speed was hyped by Dr. Vegapunk who spend time with and studied Kizaru and his DF. That says a lot about Lucci's speed. Luffy's snakeman+FS was...

Zoro's opponents don't determine his strength. They are just stepping stools to help him prepare to face Mihawk by either showing off his strength/power in a certain area or help him obtain a power/ability or reach level with a power/ability. That is why it's stupid to claim Zoro isn't top tier...

Not based on Zoro and Luffy's battle against Lucci. The manga made it clear 2 swords Zoro is YC1. 3 swords Zoro = G5 Luffy.

Another thread that age like fine milk. :milaugh: 3 swords = G5

Lucci fell to his knees on his own without taking any more hits. Zoro just need to be more patient.

Luffy wasn't able to KO Lucci either even though he got a free hit on Lucci by attacking him while he was distracted, used G5 his peak power and used 3 name techniques. I look at the injuries Lucci sustain from his battles and his condition afterwards. After Lucci battle against Luffy, Lucci...

He wasn't attacking Lucci. We saw he attacked the ground at created a smoke screen so Jinbe and Zoro could leave the area within the world elder seeing them. It's funny how some fans believe the character that showed up to stop the fight, fought.

So you have nothing to counter my post or prove me wrong.

Luffy used his peak power, G5, attacked Lucci while he was distracted fighting another opponent and 3 name attacks. Yet, failed to knock him out. Zoro used 2 swords majority of the time and one name attack that left Lucci it says poor condition you can barely move. Zoro looked better since he...

You call that running? :milaugh: Lucci can't even lift his arms up while supposedly running.

He was chasing them by turning around and facing towards them. He didn't even take a step forward. Jinbe didn't stop anything. He wasn't there to fight. He was there to take Zoro away. That's why he didn't attack Lucci, instead the ground. Even then he only attack the ground because of the...

Nope. Lucci walked slowly. He couldn't even move fast or run. Shortly after he dropped to his knee and exited awakening. All Zoro needed to do was wait a few more seconds. Zoro was impatient. That's why Jinbe said he won.

I trust Oda and the manga more than you. Oda told us Zoro won and the manga showed Lucci only had enough energy to remaining standing and in awakening for a few seconds after Jinbe arrived.

You don't know the definition of stale mate if you think that's the outcome. Not only did Oda tell us Zoro won through Jinbe. Zoro left Lucci in such poor condition he couldn't even attack Zoro while Jinbe holding and distracting Zoro, Lucci only had the energy to remain standing and in his...

He's asking whether Zoro won and the answer is yes.

Jinbe was never sent to help Zoro. He was sent to stop the fight. Jinbe saved Lucci from being killed. Oda told us through Jinbe who won.