General & Others 3rd Main Character: Nami or Sanji?

[Beerbottle]

I'm partial towards Nami. I've done a better job during my tenure at OJ debating this. Though this time I'll keep it brief.
First point is lazy but still true, she's the third Strawhat to join.
She's got more connections with people than Sanji (I'm struggling to find the right words but @TheAncientCenturion put it nicely) She's the only reason they are capable of getting anywhere.

Outside of combat, if Luffy and Zoro ain't there, she's in charge. And in the case of navigating, she sometimes managed to override Luffy. In a combat situation the mantle of leadership usually went to Sanji. If Luffy and Zoro weren't there

 

[Jack]

I feel all the strawhats from east blue besides luffy (as he is the protagonist) all have equal importance to the story, although zoro and sanji have better fighting capabilities doesn't necessarily mean they're more important than the others.

 

[Chrono]

"Luffy, Zoro, Nami, for now, the triggers/detonators are gathered ...." Color Walk 1 (2001)

He has also said

"Every strawhat can become protagonist."

When he says trigger or detonator. I feel as if he means people who started the story. Not the people most important to the story.

 

[Jiihad]

It’s Sanji. He’s more prominent than Nani, Nani legit hasn’t mattered since Arlong was a threat. Oda would rather show Luffy picking his nose than NaI drawing a map

 

[Chrono]

I'm partial towards Nami. I've done a better job during my tenure at OJ debating this. Though this time I'll keep it brief.
First point is lazy but still true, she's the third Strawhat to join.
She's got more connections with people than Sanji (I'm struggling to find the right words but @TheAncientCenturion put it nicely) She's the only reason they are capable of getting anywhere.

Outside of combat, if Luffy and Zoro ain't there, she's in charge. And in the case of navigating, she sometimes managed to override Luffy. In a combat situation the mantle of leadership usually went to Sanji. If Luffy and Zoro weren't there

I dont like the argument that she has more connections than Sanji. Zoro yes, but not Sanji. Sanji has shown time and time again his charismatic side and his ability to form bonds.

She has formed connections with: Vivi, Lola, Chiffon, Tashigi ( to an extent)

He has formed connections with: Gin, Vivi, Duval, Kinemon, Viola, Pudding

Near equal with Sanji having more.

 

[Beerbottle]

When he says trigger or detonator. I feel as if he means people who started the story. Not the people most important to the story.

That really is up to interpretation though.. I like @OEKaneki @Esc etc choose to think it could also mean importance to the story :/
It started with them, and they are to this day very much part of making the decisions that shapes what the strawhats choose to do

 

[True God Moe]

We talking about how things get started or how much they done?

For how it got started, Nami is one for it as '3rd Main Character'.

For how much action and moments, Sanji by miles ahead than Nami as 3rd Main Character and it's kinda sticking more him being relevant for a long time and onwards. Even when everyone separate from the crew from Dressrosa, Sanji was the one in charge of everyone compare to Nami even follow his lead to fighting BM Pirates, To Zou, and onward more compare to her taking charge unless it's navigation or money.

That what's been shown honestly.

 

[Beerbottle]

Sanji has shown time and time again his charismatic side and his ability to form bonds.

I cannot agree that he's formed more bonds than Nami. She's the one that focuses more on that than Sanji.

Vivi, Lola, Chiffon

These 3 I'd say without a doubt that Nami has a stronger bond with. And it was through Nami's bond with Lola, that Nami built a bond with Chiffon, that made her far more sympathetic to the strawhats.

 

[Albino 👑]

I wouldn't really put nami zoro usopp sanji above or below eachother

Like i said before it depends on the arc cause sometimes zoro or nami get outshined by usopp and sanji and vice versa and mixed

 

[Lion of Olympus]

I feel if Nami was more important than Sanji, then she would’ve been the captain of the Curly hats instead of him

 

[Beerbottle]

He has formed connections with: Gin, Vivi, Duval, Kinemon, Viola, Pudding

Hm... Gin, Duval, Kinemon and Pudding.. I think I'll agree with you on. Unless my memory is failing me

 

[Finalbeta]

Truth is relevance is debatable except for the mythical M2

 

[Kucing Pencuri]

Triggered?

 

[Garp the Fist]

Hm... Gin, Duval, Kinemon and Pudding.. I think I'll agree with you on. Unless my memory is failing me

Nami befriended Aisa, Chimney, Camie and Wanda. And Momo, though that's cause he's a little rodent.

She's also unique in that she's the one who first befriended Chopper and asked him to join the crew, while Luffy and Sanji were, uh, trying to eat him.

Basically she's always been the go to Oda to have a Strawhat bond with women and children.

 

[True God Moe]

Truth is relevance is debatable except for the mythical M2

Nah M1 Luffy above all while Zoro been taking back seat a lot especially this arc.

 

[Beerbottle]

Nami befriended Aisa, Chimney, Camie and Wanda. And Momo, though that's cause he's a little rodent.

She's also unique in that she's the one who first befriended Chopper and asked him to join the crew, while Luffy and Sanji were, uh, trying to eat him.

Basically she's always been the go to Oda to have a Strawhat bond with women and children.

Thanks for the assist Garp ^^ Its been far too long since I reread some of those moments

 

[Aknolagon]

When it's a fight sanji is over nami but when it's serious matter nami is over sanji.
Also because nami is a woman, it's a shonen deal with it. And oda loves to draw her so it's normal if we see nami everywhere.
Zou, WCI or even Wano, Nami had lots of presence. Oda gave her also Zeus a weapon from a fucking Yonkou. Let her fight with luffy against cracker.

But in reality she had no importance for the plot beside the fight against cracker.
Actually i feel like SH is not the same anymore. Before the TS, nami was important for the original trio. Nami, zoro and luffy were kinda linked to each other and decided for the group. Now it's luffy who is doing what he wants, zoro is doing what he wants, but i get it that oda lets them to have a certain "freedom".
But nami is not more important for the plot, than ussop (the amount of time oda spend with the god ussop stuff, coo, sugar at dressrosa) or sanji with WCI or even at wano for example. She has no impact for the story like franky, robin, chopper, brook. Robin is the most dangerous human in OP world but IM, gorosei, Marine, Yonkou or Shishibukai don't give a fuck, how ? In reality she should be the most wanted criminal. Brook is a perfect counter to BM's DF but it's like Oda doesn't want him to shine. Chopper well .. he is a toy now!

That's why i liked yasu's execution, it was a brief moment when all SH were protecting each other like a real pirate crew.
Hope to see more at the war!!

 

[PuckTheGreat]

http://www.arlongpark.net/showthread.php?t=42229 source you asked for cant believe it took this long

Can anyone provide a bit of context from the above ^^". Color Walk 1 looks to me like a color book of all the cover pages from the first few volumes, so was Oda simply just describing some of the cover pages from these books to the readers? Moreover Luffy, Zoro and Nami were the first 3 members of the SHs introduced into the story so could he simply be referring to the fact that the story started with those 3? Has anyone even thought of what triggers even means...lolz....Seems like the fanbase is implying that those 3 are the key to finding one piece but that is clearly not the case here. Again this just seems like a very petty argument that certain fanbases are using to elevate their favorite characters.

 

[enelminemreborn]

Can anyone provide a bit of context from the above ^^". Color Walk 1 looks to me like a color book of all the cover pages from the first few volumes, so was Oda simply just describing some of the cover pages from these books to the readers? Moreover Luffy, Zoro and Nami were the first 3 members of the SHs introduced into the story so could he simply be referring to the fact that the story started with those 3? Has anyone even thought of what triggers even means...lolz....Seems like the fanbase is implying that those 3 are the key to finding one piece but that is clearly not the case here. Again this just seems like a very petty argument that certain fanbases are using to elevate their favorite characters.

no i dont think zoro is needed to find the one piece maybe its a dangerous journey and luffy cant always fight so thats debatable but nami is a given she literally points him to where hes going next so she is an absolute no argument

 

[Monster trio]

this is a comparison between my favorite male and my favorite female (not to mention that i ship them) but oda already said that nami is one of the triggers of one piece but sanji has always surpassed her in all of the polls (only law and shanks once surpassed him ) and when it came to who is taking luffy's place it was sanji who did it not nami (during zou) however if we were to ask sanji himself he would definitely choose nami :love::love:
anyway i believe that there is only one MC and that is Monkey D. Luffy